Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #31 Sun, 14 Jan 01 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Two Thumbs up for the AntiTrust Movie and Open Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Gary Hallock)
Re: More Linux woes ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Charlie Ebert)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: More Linux woes (mlw)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Interconnect")
Re: More Linux woes (funk883)
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Two Thumbs up for the AntiTrust Movie and Open Source
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:44:10 -0500
David Steinberg wrote:
>
> R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : It was also very well researched. Some of the quotes were
> : streight from "The Road Ahead". The thinly veiled attempt
> : at a Disclaimer:
> : "Doesn't Bill Gates have one like that?";
> : "Who? Oh him, his is much more primative";
>
> Actually, Gary Winston's reply was, "Bill who?"
>
> In all seriousness, I really enjoyed the movie, in spite of its many
> tecnical goof-ups, not to mention non-technical problems in the
> plot. I'll try not to give away too much, but let's just say that, while
> Ryan Phillippe might think otherwise, Open Source was the star of this
> film. To me, that was surprising and very enjoyable.
>
> But, I have to wonder, could this movie be considered anti-Microsoft
> propaganda? The similarities are obvious between Winston and Gates,
> between NURV and Microsoft. But, NURV commits some pretty blatant crimes,
> including murder, that we have no reason to believe Microsoft is guilty
> of.
Actually, the real coup is that, to the average joe-six-pack, who
doesn't understand Microsoft's behind-closed-doors behavior, this
movie is a MAJOR revelation about the true nature of their hero.
>
> Is that unfair to Microsoft?
No. Gates is a megalomaniac, who has PROCLAIMED his desire to get a
commission for any and all financial transactions on the face of the
earth.
A person with those kinds of goals eventually become exactly the
kind of Winston-character portrayed in the movie.
>
> I think it is. Does it even matter whether a fictional Hollywood movie is
> unfair to Microsoft? That, I'm not so sure about.
>
> : But there wasn't much question. I'm just curious how
> : they got the great shots of the Lake Washington estate.
>
> They didn't. That wasn't Gates' house. It was entirely CGI, and then
> pasted on top of some pretty shots looking onto Georgia Straight. The
> movie was actually set in Oregon, but filmed in Vancouver, BC (where I
> live). The arial shots of the NURV Campus were shot at Simon Fraser
> University, and all of the action was shot at MY school, the University of
> British Columbia. Woo hoo! :)
>
> : Actually, I got a kick out of the Linux displays,
> : complete with LS listings and BASH.
>
> I did, too. I especially enjoyed the cryptic command line options on
> every command Milo typed. And how he was able to do all this (on a
> secret system that he just discovered) without ever checking a man page or
> using "--help". :)
Actually, why wouldn't NURV use the same commands to run jpg's on
those systems as elsewhere in the company?
>
> --
> David Steinberg -o)
> Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:45:45 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: One case where Linux has the edge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How do you read news offline, meaning you can download the
> messages/bodies read and reply and then spit them back to the server
> without having to be connected the entire time?
>
pan
> >
> >Can I telnet into Windows 2000 and burn a CDROM?
>
> Why would you want to?
> Who mounts the CDROM for you (inserts the media into the burner)?
>
I find it handy to do that. I telnet from AIX to my Netfinity
running Linux to burn CDs. No need to constantly switch
keyboards and mouse. No need to even have the GUI running on
the Netfinity. That's also one reason why I run Lotus Notes
Linux on my Thinkpad by using telnet from AIX. From one
keyboard, one mouse, one display, I have access to many
different machines at the same time. When forced to use
different keyboards and displays for each system, it becomes
quite frustrating when I start to cut and paste from one system
to another and then realize that I can't do that.
Gary
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:44:28 GMT
The digital cable still requires CPU time to decode the data stream coming
from the CDROM drive, even through the labeled digital audio conduits.
Linux Mandrake 7.2 does not always activate the "accelerated" driver for
your video system, and even then, the acceleration is not typically "on par"
with Windows directsound and directdraw handling audio & video
(respectively) .
Skippage is being caused by CPU time being reallocated from the audio
subsystem (kernel level) to the redraw request being made by XFree86.
Because Linux does not intelligently detect "important" processes, this will
continue to be a problem until you upgrade either your X Server, or
recompile your kernel with better sound modules.
Linux sux.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I was wondering why playing an audio CDROM (like you would buy in the
> store) seemed to cause intermittent skipping when dragging windows or
> doing any other activity under Linux Mandrake 7.2 so I decided to
> investigate today.
> The CDROM is an Acer 40x on the second IDE controller and it has a
> digital cable (no analog) hooked to a SBLive in the system.
>
> I played an audio CD and started to poke around the system enabling
> and disabling digital audio with the KDE Mixer and things were acting
> strange?
>
> I unplugged the digital cable (the little 2 prong Berg connector)
> while the CD was playing and to my surprise the sound CONTINUED to be
> heard!!!
>
> This sucker was, for some reason, doing Digital Audio Extraction over
> the IDE bus!!!
>
> No wonder things were acting strange....
>
> Score another hit against Linsux for misconfiguring this one.
> Ok Penguinista's, how to I disable this so my system isn't being
> slowed to a crawl every time I play an audio CD?
>
> Every time I look a little deeper I discover another reason why Linux
> sucks, and I'm not even trying hard to find these things.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: One case where Linux has the edge
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:55:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I'll play Pete's part just one time here.
>On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:54:23 +0000, Pete Goodwin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>I used linuxconf to activate nfs. It still resulted in "permission denied".
>>As for telnet, it appeared not to be installed (despite my selecting it).
>
>Well you have confirmed my bug report that the Mandrake installer has
>a mind of it's own.
>
>Can I ask a question Pete?
>
Why yes Mr. Flatfish. What is it.
>Why on earth are you wasting so much time trying to make Linux do for
>you what it seems incapable of doing?
>
Well, I don't know. Why are you? In fact, why are
we on this newgroup? Why are we here 24 hours a day posting
around the clock? Why do we hate Linux so much.
Why don't we both have lives?
>For me, I would LOVE to see digital audio programs that run under
>Linux and are open source, because I am tired of the upgrade mill and
>the cost of these vertical applications.
Well god knows the operating system is just crucial to produce
digital audio on a computer.
>But, in my case it isn't even close, and just using Linux to read
>news, browse, write letters, read mail, listen to music and so forth
>is a real PITA compared to Windows. It really is a major annoyance
>using Linux and that time wasted is not compensated by the fact that
>Linux is free.
>
Yeah. It's a good thing we have Windows!
You know those Linux people can't even post to newsgroups.
Their OS is so pathetic.
>I never screw with Win2k as far as the OS is concerned. First of all I
>am new at Win2k and secondly I don't need to. It just works, right out
>of the box and any idiot can set it up and use all of it's features
>without telnetting and screwing around with different file systems and
>such.
Yeah,
W2k scares me too.
>And at least if you ask it to install something, it does and it will
>do the same consistently each time.
>
Yeah, yeah. That's why people use an operating system like Windows
because it's easy to install and re-install when it crashes.
>I see Linux as a crude compromise between cost and time.
I see Linux as an operating system for people who know something
about computers. Since you and I don't know anything about
computers we will just stay away from Linux and W2k.
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
Pete.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:52:19 GMT
Win32 is not the WinNT kernel. Win32 is Windows 95, 98, and to a lesser
extent, Windows Me.
3dfx (what's left of em) supports the Voodoo Rush as reference drivers for
Windows 95 & 98.
Although this device functions on the Windows 2000 Directdraw layer, it MAY
be possible to use Win32 drivers under the Win2k system.
If you know how to read a post, I wouldn't be going through this repetitive
crap.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:51:48 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I never said there were NT drivers available.
>
> Yes you did, version 5.
>
> Infact, no current version of Windows is supported by 3dfx
> for the Rush. There is more than one driver model for Win32
> systems.
>
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:33:57 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >The Voodoo Rush chipset is supported by the independent MANUFACTURER
of
> >the
> >> >Video card.
> >> >
> >> >3dfxgamers.com provides "reference drivers" for the chipset under
Win32
> >> >environments.
> >>
> >> The Rush is only supported with Win95 drivers. There is no
> >> mention in that driver matrix of any version of NT supported
> >> by the Rush. ME doens't even appear to be supported by the
> >> Rush.
> >>
> >> [deletia]
> >>
> >> You don't know what you're talking about.
> [deletia]
>
> --
>
> Ease of use should be associated with things like "human engineering"
> and "use the right tool for the right job". And of course,
> "reliability", since stopping to fix a problem or starting over due
> to lost work are the very antithesis of "ease of use".
>
> Bobby Bryant - COLA
> |||
> / | \
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:52:35 GMT
Mozilla for UNIX.
"ono" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93t97f$4u6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >What the hell are you smoking? I see tons of Linux software with
> staticly
> > >linked library files.
> >
> > Then name a few.
> Could you give the name of some dll's that give hell? (like in dll-hell).
>
>
>
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:53:06 GMT
Way to insult someone who's actually on your side.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ono wrote:
> >
> > And what's the difference between 'not statically' linked libraries and
> > dll's?
>
> If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.
>
>
>
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > ono wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You moron....
> > > > > Linux doesn't have any "DLL Hell", ignorant twit.
> > > > > Linux libraries are properly versioned, and successive versions of
the
> > > > > same library can be kept on the same system without conflict.
> > > > And thats why linux suffers from bloat! Because every program comes
with
> > > > it's own statically linked version of the same shit. MS at least
tried
> > to do
> > > > something.
> > >
> > > Dumbshit. Statically linked libraries were abandoned years ago.
> > >
> > >
> > > > But you're right, dll versioning (even with) COM fails sometimes
(but
> > NEVER
> > > > when you run MS only software).
> > > > ok! it's not never...... it's nearly never.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > >
> > > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > >
> > > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > >
> > > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > >
> > > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> > >
> > > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > >
> > > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > >
> > > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > ...despite (C) above.
> > >
> > > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > her behavior improves.
> > >
> > > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues
against
> > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > >
> > > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:05:37 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:08:29 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >It is also the default setting for the latest Windows Media player, so
> >what?
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> That's what I am running, in default mode, and I can assure you that
> if I disconnect the digital audio cable from the CD the audio stops.
>
> You are confusing digital audio, with digital audio EXTRACTION over
> the IDE bus.
>
> Different animal altogether.
>
> >One can do this under Linux as well.
>
> Ok Einstein, How?
Depends on the player and the hardware configuration.
If your problem is with pure digital audio, i.e. the digital stream off
the back of the CDROM, than pay $2.99 for a wire to go from analog out,
to analog in to the SB card, and configure this in the sound panel and
or player. However, you will not get the advantages of the digital audio
stream.
If your problem is the digitization of IDE datapath, similar to the way
a ripper works, disable this in the player.
Again, this has nothing to do with Linux, it is an app issue. If you
make the IOCTL call under Linux, or DeviceIoControl under Windows to
start the CD player playing, it plays. You then use the sound card to
drive the speakers.
Many CD player applications (these days) on the PC do not do this
because the IDE hardware design does not allow extensive monitoring, so
they decide to treat the data stream from an audio CD as digital media,
similar to how they play MP3s.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:33:36 +1100
Considering there is a good chance you are receiving your news via Open
Source software you are being very disrespectful making such a sweeping
generalization regards proven track records.
Sure some open source projects have their problems. However in relation to
LINUX you have to keep a clear dilenation between the OS and applications
built to run on it.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:39:34 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Wow. Be careful you don't cut yourself with that razor-sharp wit,
> >claire.
>
> But it is true. If Gates released an OS with the basic "gotchas'" that
> you Penguinista's put up with on a regular basis, he would have been
> out of business years ago.
>
> Linux is full of bugs and anyone who trusts their system to a
> collection of 1-x versions of programs with no proven track record is
> out of their minds.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:01:14 +0000
From: funk883 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:08:29 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >It is also the default setting for the latest Windows Media player, so
> >what?
>
Uh no. To rip the cd and stream it is a very odd way to play it.
I can't think of any windows CD players that do this. CD ripping is handled
by applications like wavelab, RCD etc.
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:07:49 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> WINE is an interesting beast, and really illustrates my point. WINE apps
> are extremely sluggish in their display compared to native X and even more
> so compared to native Windows.
Actually, in some cases apps running under Wine ran faster than when
running natively under Windows. Admittedly, the output looked a little
sloppier, but the execution was faster in some cases, depending on what
the app was doing. If there was a lot of raw computation involved, the
app was faster. If it was doing a lot of Windows-specific stuff, the
app tended to be slower. See, the reason for this is that the raw
computation was performed on unix rather than Windows. Doing a lot of
Windows-specific stuff involves the Windows-X translation layer, which
slows things down a bit.
So, it depends on what the app was doing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:08:19 GMT
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:30:46 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nope, works just fine with windows pc-lan attached printers,
>unix printers, netware printers, or local printers.
After how many hours screwing with smb.conf files?
>I haven't seen any non supported printers in any place
>I've worked, so you are greatly exaggerating, if not
>outright lying, about the supposed difficulty.
Take a walk through CompUSA someday and try and find non PS printers
that ARE supported by Linux.
Same goes for scanners BTW.
Good luck.
>> Otherwise, do the Samba dance.
>> Why ARE there SO AMNY webpages devoted to setting up Samba?
>
>Beats me, I haven't noticed.
>setting up a samba printer is a quick and dirty point & click.
>Mighty short dance if you ask me.
Tell all the folks running those web pages to shut them down.
>>
>> Name 3 that are even close to Agent in ease of use and pan is so
>> unstable it can't be counted...
>
>Can't say for sure, I'm always on line...
I'll save you the time, it is an abortion under Linsux.
>> >netscape works quite well for me, and uses my truetype fonts.
>>
>> Even Windows users loathe Netscrape.
>
>I know quite a few windows users who prefer netscape.
And you accuse me of lying?
>> Good for you. The other 98 percent of the world won't be so lucky.
>
>I don't know of any Linux servers which don't support their hardware -
I didn't say anything about servers, you did. I was talking desktop.
Stick to the subject.
>do you?
Servers?
Sure.
Virtually any USB device.
>> No you can't without screwing with Dial On Demand scripts and so
>> forth..
>
>Yeah right, to set up my isp accounts back in my dialup days,
>all I had to do was point and click in the control panel and fill
>in a few blanks - BLAM! online in 3 minutes.
That is not what I said, stop changing the subject.
I said ICS and dod from any other PC on the network and easily setup
using kppp which is the default dialer under Mandrake.
Why do you have such a hard time following the subject?
>> > All my hardware works to full capacity under Linux. Your point?
>>
>> You are in the minority, or you are just plain lying.
>
>Neither, my fine wintroll.
If it works for you then by all means use it.
>
>> >Funny, I switched 100% from windows pc to Linux workstation -
>> >because I much prefer Linux, and it allows me to get on with
>> >the work, where ms windows is a hindrance.
>>
>> Good for you.
>>
>> I have a friend that still uses a sliderule because he thinks pocket
>> calculators are the devils tools and are inaccurate.
>
>That's the opposite case from mine - he's moving back,
>I'm moving forward.
Running Linsux, you are going nowhere, fast and in most cases you are
taking a huge step backwards, but you have been blinded so you can't
see it.
Of course Linsux IS free, and thank goodness it is because they sure
as hell can't sell it and the plunge the Linux stocks have been taking
lately is evidence enough.
>See the difference?
Nope.
I see Linsux as a pile of disjointed trash.
>jjs
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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