Linux-Advocacy Digest #491, Volume #31 Mon, 15 Jan 01 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Linux won't get far in Luxembourg's comapanies. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: More Linux woes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (.)
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$% ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$% ("Adam Warner")
Re: More Linux woes ("Interconnect")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? (Craig Kelley)
Re: The Server Saga (Craig Kelley)
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux won't get far in Luxembourg's comapanies.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:06:54 -0500
Bartek Kostrzewa wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:SBo86.90$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Bartek Kostrzewa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:3a620d03$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > My friend's father has a small company, he asked me to give him a
> proposal
> > > for a file server (serving 8 computers with 500MB/day/PC), so I built a
> > > server for 1500$ with SCSI, AMD Duron 750, 256 MB of RAM and a 100 Mbit
> > NIC,
> > > of course, I told him I'd install Linux and set up SAMBA for file
> serving
> > > (the company is 100% M$ based). When he heard the price he said: "What?
> > > That's far too cheap! I need to spend at least 7500$ on it, so I can
> > reduce
> > > my tax charges at the end of the year!" Now he bought a Win2k Server
> based
> > > Compaq Proline server powered by an 933Mhz PIII, 256MB of RDRAM and 60GB
> > > RAID-10 (4 30GB 10K rpm SCSI harddrives in RAID mode, stripped and
> imaged
> > > together).... and that for 8 computer low-profile file-sharing.
> >
> > This is not all that different from the US, except we have other issues as
> > well. Many companies strive to have 0 profit, so they pay no (or very
> > little) corporate tax, since corporate tax in most states is quite high.
> On
> > top of that, lots of larger companies give their departments budgets. If
> > they don't spend all their budget, they reduce their budget next year,
> which
> > encourages departments to spend every dime they have whether they need it
> or
> > not.
>
> Poor people pay taxes, rich companies do not, that's just plain sick....
> don't you guys think so?
Big deal. "Companies" are nothing more than a bank account.
What happens when the company pays the employees and it's officers.
(President, Chairman of the Board, Treasurer, etc.). AT THAT TIME,
their paychecks get taxed...
Actually, it would be great if the US worked the same way. Corporate
Taxes is just another word for Government Thievery.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:09:19 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I was wondering why playing an audio CDROM (like you would buy in the
> store) seemed to cause intermittent skipping when dragging windows or
> doing any other activity under Linux Mandrake 7.2 so I decided to
> investigate today.
> The CDROM is an Acer 40x on the second IDE controller and it has a
> digital cable (no analog) hooked to a SBLive in the system.
>
> I played an audio CD and started to poke around the system enabling
> and disabling digital audio with the KDE Mixer and things were acting
> strange?
>
> I unplugged the digital cable (the little 2 prong Berg connector)
> while the CD was playing and to my surprise the sound CONTINUED to be
> heard!!!
>
> This sucker was, for some reason, doing Digital Audio Extraction over
> the IDE bus!!!
>
> No wonder things were acting strange....
>
> Score another hit against Linsux for misconfiguring this one.
> Ok Penguinista's, how to I disable this so my system isn't being
> slowed to a crawl every time I play an audio CD?
>
> Every time I look a little deeper I discover another reason why Linux
> sucks, and I'm not even trying hard to find these things.
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
Translation:
"I, Claire the Flatfish---, am a complete retard"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:10:17 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:93vdji$3et$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> So what? Who wants to take over the world?
> Aparently, your spokespeople at Linux.com
Spokespeople? What the hell are you talking about?
You mean like your spokespeople at godhatesfags.com?
Just because someone throws up a site with a familiar name on it does NOT
mean that they actually speak for who they say they do.
>> Let the idiots wallow in their own ineptitude. They seem to prefer
>> it that way anyhow, right claire?
> Except for one small problem, you call everyone who can't recompile their
> Kernel five minutes after booting the damn OS an idiot. And you guys are
> the first place where newbies turn for help.
1. I absolutely do not do that. I call claire and a few others who have
refused to read documentation and break everything because theyre being morons,
idiots, idiot.
2. this is NOT the first place where newbies turn for help, you damnable
worm. You intellectual cadaver. You lump of fetid sweet meat.
> TRANSLATION= You all suck at tech support, and have the gall to call the
> people you've been insulting for years idiots.
This is not a tech support newsgroup, you fucking moron. Have you EVER read
its charter?
Do you even know what a fucking charter IS?
Why the hell would any of us want to waste our time doing tech support for
free? What the fuck is the matter with you?
Listen pal, if you cant figure out linux from the documentation and your
OWN resources, you ARE a goddamn retard.
Case closed.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:11:08 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:93tu5h$l3i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> > > Big deal, in the kernel or not - people - focus and remember this little
> > > (and it is little) number: 2.7
> > >
> > > That's how many percent faster Tux was over IIS5.
> >
> > 1. That was not achieved by IIS5 but by SWC 3.0 (beta).
> SWC is a web cache, IIS5 generated the content. Know what you are talking
> about eh?
>
> >
> > 2. If you are going to continue pushing this figure I hope you add a
> > disclaimer for the significant differences in hardware configuration.
> Some of the drives on the W2K box were 15K drives instead of the 10K drives
> in the linux box. That is the ONLY difference and for machines with 32 gigs
> of ram this difference is insignificant. If you are going to spread FUD, try
> backing your claim.
> >
> > 3. The software is not available until March 2001. So how can the
> > production, shipping IIS5 have done it? The SPECWeb results state that the
> > HTTP SOFTWARE, OPERATING SYSTEM AND SUPPLEMENTAL SYSTEM WILL ONLY BE
> > AVAILABLE IN MARCH 2001.
> SWC 3, the cache, is not available until March 2001. Obviously IIS is
> available now.
>
> AND.... SO WHAT?! For the sake of argument, assume that SWC is the product
> producing these results and not IIS - SO FUCKING WHAT?! It's still the HTTP
> system running W2K that essentially tied the not-even-in-use-yet tux system.
> IIS and SWC are used by corporations world wide - no one trusts Tux yet as
> evidenced by it's non-existance in any web server use count. Not even
> netcraft where a single tux server hosting 500 domains would be counted as
> 500 servers (doh!)
>
> AND you missed the thrust - "linux" didn't "win" this race, it essentially
> tied and ONLY because of Tux. You'll notice Apache isn't even remotely in
> the game, which is what 90+% of the linux users are running.
>
> Get it?
All those words, when all you needed to say is "I, Conrad Rutherford, am an idiot"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:14:10 GMT
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8WK86.78033$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mozilla is SO bloated, and sluggish. And looks almost as bad as the new
> Netscape. If not, worse.
>
> If this is the "benefit" of open source, I think it's time to give it up
> now.
At least you can see what it is doing and why. As opposed to IE which
has moved its bloat into the system dlls hoping you won't notice
it there.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:22:51 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine writes:
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> You still haven't sacrificed yourself to the volcano, Oxygen Thief.
>>
>> What's the fucking hold up, you miserable waste of skin...
> Did you want him to slit his wrists first, or after he
> jumps in the volcano? :-)
What he wants is irrelevant.
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comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:25:51 GMT
Tom Wilson writes:
>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Wilson writes:
>>>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Steve Mading writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time". I'm talking
>>>>>>>>>>>> about now.
>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't say so.
>>>>>>>>>> I shouldn't need to say so for those who understand context.
>>>>>>>>>>> (See I can be a pendantic pain too. Your game is fun.)
>>>>>>>>>> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm playing a game, Steve.
>>>>>>>>> Tholen...
>>>>>>>>> when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
>>>>>>>>> remember to slit lengthwise.
>>>>>>>> .....Along the femoral artery. It's quicker that way.
>>>>>>> Desperate for attention, eh Tom?
>>>>> Nah, desparate for a recursive twit filter..
>>>> So it can ultimately work on you?
>>> ....for me.
>> That's not what I wrote. Suffering from reading comprehension problems
>> as well, Tom
Note: no response.
>>>>>> Goddamn, Tholen... somebody offers you clever and helpful advice,
>>>>>> and you insult him in return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a fucking ingrate you are.
>>>>> And, to think I was going to add that he do it in a hot bath so as
>>>>> not to cause himself undue pain...
>>>> Desperate for attention, eh Tom?
>>> No, merely in need of your keen wisdom.
>> Then pay attention, Tom.
> Easier said than done as this is boring me to tears.
If it is so boring, then why are you continuing to respond, Tom?
>>>>> You wound me, Tholen.
>>>> Illogical, Tom.
>>> Sarcasm, Tholen.
>> Your sarcasm is illogical, Tom.
> Your pontification is amusing.
What alleged pontification, Tom? The evidence for your illogical
sarcasm is above, thus it is not pontification.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:35:16 GMT
In alt.destroy.microsoft, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 15 Jan 2001 14:41:06 GMT
<93v262$69g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip]
>Plainly:
>
>Cost of a 4 machine, quad processor W2K cluster, including licensing for
>all software nessesary to serve websites that contain lots of fun doohickeys
>like "cold fusion":
>
>180,000 dollars
>
>Cost of 4 machine, quad processor linux cluster that does the same thing:
>
>110,000 dollars.
$70,000 diff in NRA&E.
But I'm curious as to what the disk and network interfaces are.
I'd hope the disks are SCSI and the network a high-quality DMA-capable
1 Gb network card -- or whatever the best is now, but I have my doubts
that IDE can handle heavy I/O loads without slowing down everything.
There are also issues as to how much RAM such a machine has, and
the bandwidth costs.
(I'd also hope the hardware is as near identical as possible. :-) )
>
>Cost, per year, of the 3 NT admins who run the W2K cluster:
>
>240,000 dollars.
>
>Cost, per year, of the 1 linux admin who runs the linux cluster:
>
>60,000 dollars.
$180,000 diff per year, not including payroll taxes.
(BTW: is there a yearly licensing fee for Win2k? Also, why is
each NTadmin paid $80K? Are they in higher demand?)
>
>Number of high traffic, complex, full of frills websites that the W2K
>cluster can support:
>
>1900.
>
>Number of high traffic, complex, full of frills websites that the linux
>cluster can support:
>
>24,000.
Impressive.
>
>Yearly revenue generated by 1900 W2K sites:
>
>3.42 million dollars
Revenue: $1800 per site
NRA&E: $94.73 per site
Support: $126.32 per site
Theoretical profit: $1578.95 per site.
2-year total revenue: $6.84M
2-year total cost: $675,000 (5% raises/year; about 1000W @ 7c / kwH)
ROI: 9.03x
5-year total revenue: $17.0M
5-year total cost: $1.503M (5% raises/year; about 1000W @ 7c / kwH)
ROI: 10.31x
(These do not take into account advertising and bandwidth costs.)
>
>Yearly revenue generated by 24,000 linux sites: (you can charge less per site,
>per month)
>
>28 million dollars.
Revenue: $1166 per site.
NRA&E: $4.58 per site.
Support: $2.50 per site.
Theoretical profit: $1158.92 per site.
2-year total revenue: $56M
2-year total cost: $236,000
ROI: 236.28x
5-year total revenue: $140.0M
5-year total cost: $443,000 (5% raises/year; about 1000W @ 7c / kwH)
ROI: 315.0x
(These do not take into account advertising and bandwidth costs.)
>
>This is based on personal experience and the experience of 5 collegues
>in the field.
>
>Do the math. With what todays market is doing (which is dying a slow,
>horrible death), the choice is quite clear.
Just for completeness: is this documented somewhere?
I don't dispute the numbers too much (I've heard horrible things
regarding NT's latency; this has to affect performance), but just
wondering if there's a formal case study for all this; "[your]
personal experience and the experience of 5 [of your] colleagues"
isn't horribly authoritative. :-)
This is, after all, a sort of benchmark.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- and then there's Solaris, HP/UX, and such to consider too
EAC code #191 4d:23h:19m actually running Linux.
This is the best part of the message.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:36:19 +1200
Hi Conrad,
> The operating system utilized Service Pack 2 beta, HTTP software includes
> both the server and the cache and SWC 3 is also in beta.
This page it gives information about the definition of general availability:
http://www.spec.org/osg/web99/docs/runrules.html
---begin quote---
3.2.5 General Availability Dates
The dates of general customer availability must be listed for the major
components: hardware, HTTP server, and operating system, month and year. All
the system, hardware and software features are required to be generally
available on or before date of publication, or within 3 months of the date
of publication. With multiple components having different availability
dates, the latest availability date should be listed.
If pre-release hardware or software is tested, then the test sponsor
represents that the performance measured is generally representative of the
performance to be expected on the same configuration of the release system.
If the sponsor later finds the performance to be lower than 5% of that
reported for the pre-release system, then the sponsor shall resubmit a
corrected test result.
---end quote---
Fair enough. Because of this comment in the results "New TCP/IP & Alteon
driver hotfixes" I can see how SP2 is a reasonable interpretation.
This is the list of SP2 (beta) bugfixes:
http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=3021
The word Alteon doesn't appear once in the list. However the driver hotfix
may have obviously come from Alteon.
Plus in the entire list there is only one reference to "TCP/IP" and it
appears
irrelevant:
"Q262479 Tcpip.sys Does Not Free Broadcast Packets That the TCP/IP Traffic
Filter Driver Does Not Want"
But there's also this fix:
Q271708 Host May Send Packet with an Incorrect TCP Checksum
And this one:
Q258100 Performance Problems May Occur If a Process Uses the Same Endpoint
for Both TCP and UDP
Which requires further investigation.
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q258/1/00.ASP
OK this might be it since the KB article cryptically states: "When a program
uses both User Datagram Protocol (UDP) and Transmission Control Protocol
(TCP) to bind to the same endpoint (the same port and TCP/IP address),
performance problems can occur under load. Note that this problem usually
occurs with servers that are receiving thousands of items per minute.
This problem has not been reported in a production environment."
Bingo. The problem arose when benchmarking. It might be the relevant one.
I hope Dell retests at the new new shipping dates. They have no choice if
performance deviates by 5% according to the quote above: "If the sponsor
later finds the performance to be lower than 5% of that reported for the
pre-release system, then the sponsor shall resubmit a corrected test
result."
Regards,
Adam
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:08:05 +1100
You would have to be in serious denial to disagree with the statement that
Linux and it's associated applications are improving.
Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:k7L86.78098$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Of course, Linux improves day by day, it's good now, and it's only going
> to get
> > better.
>
> The requiem of a crack addict?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:39:12 GMT
chrisv writes:
> I wrote:
>> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>>> Is it me, or is there some sort of repeating pattern here? :-)
>> I gather from your emoticon that you already know the answer. So why
>> bother to ask the question?
> Are you saying that every post must include a justification of said
> post?
I'm saying that I gather he already knows the answer, given his use of
that particular emoticon.
> If this is what you mean, justify your post.
The key word here is "if".
> If not, explain why you bothered to ask this question.
To find out why he asked a question for which he apparently already
knows the answer.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: 15 Jan 2001 16:40:51 -0700
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mozilla is SO bloated, and sluggish. And looks almost as bad as the new
> Netscape. If not, worse.
>
> If this is the "benefit" of open source, I think it's time to give it up
> now.
Use this theme:
http://x.themes.org/php/download.phtml?object=resources.chrome.966881489
It doesn't have all the fancy XPI stuff that other themes include.
It's extremely fast on my PII/400 desktop.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Server Saga
Date: 15 Jan 2001 16:42:32 -0700
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> pip wrote:
>
> > There is a big difference between choosing the wrong run-level and
> > not having simple tools installed! On some options under mandrake
> > it assumes that you don't need to install a ftp server of telnet server
> > and these tools are *very* handy when setting up a Linux boxen!
>
> And the options aren't made very clear, I think.
I wish NT had runlevels. You can choose between "run everything" and
"run nothing"; not very nice.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: One case where Linux has the edge
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:43:42 GMT
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:14:34 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote:
>
>> >I setup exports and I ran linuxconf. Remote system reported "Permission
>> >denied", so I checked access to the directories. Everything seemed fine.
>>
>> What's in /etc/exports? If you use host names, those hosts have to be
>> in DNS or /etc/hosts. It might also pay to check that nfsd is running.
>
>/home/shared/kits bigpc(rw)
>
>bigpc was in hosts
Well, I dunno then. Are nfsd and mountd running? It works for me.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:46:05 -0000
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:22:29 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It sounds like your new to this conversation, so I'll make this quick, and
>generalize.
>
>A platform is only as good as the programs running on it. Which is why BeOS
...which makes any attempt to postfactum prove that
WinDOS is somehow quality software, merely based on
legacy marketshare, rather absurd.
>has nearly NO market share, Apple has a huge following, followed by
>Microsoft & Windows.
>
>Linux has no quality software.
[deletia]
You have yet to demonstrate that in even the vaguest manner.
--
Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
you won't produce a VMS.
You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:47:52 -0000
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:25:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:48:37 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> >Linux has no quality software.
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>>If apache is not "quality software", why is it eating microsoft's
>>lunch in web server market share?
>
>Because it is free, nothing else.
This is also a common perception justifying the use
of Microsoft software. This is not the sort of snide
comment you can really affort to make if you're a
Microsoft cheerleader.
This is the proverbial rock that you shouldn't be
tossing around your glass house.
[deletia]
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Having seen my prefered platform being eaten away by vendorlock and
the Lemming mentality in the past, I have a considerable motivation to
use Free Software that has nothing to do with ideology and everything
to do with pragmatism.
Free Software is the only way to level the playing field against a
market leader that has become immune to market pressures.
The other alternatives are giving up and just allowing the mediocrity
to walk all over you or to see your prefered product die slowly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:50:02 -0000
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:05:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:36:01 -0500, Gary Hallock
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>The sort of contradicts the argument that Linux has no quality
>>software. DB2 runs on Linux. Gee, you walked right into that
>>one!
>>
>>Gary
>
>DB2 is just what I need running on my home system.
If BIG business software can adequately run on Linux
(or Unix in general) then 'little' business software
should be able to run adequately under Unix/Linux
as well.
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Common Standards, Common Ownership.
The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
and anti-democratic monopolies.
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