Linux-Advocacy Digest #525, Volume #31 Wed, 17 Jan 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
MOZILLA SSL ("ajaynath")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Linux Mandrake in VMware in Windows 2000 - HELP! ("rnwalker")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:02:59 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:28:04 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:09 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:34:39 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> >> > > J Sloan wrote:
> > >> >> [deletia]
> > >> >> >smaller,
> > >> >> >> > local GUI system would be a wonderful thing. It isn't going to
> > >make
> > >> >> >major
> > >> >> >> > inroads into the desktop market without one, IMO.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> how much smaller would it be to make a "local only" GUI?
> > >> >> >> 5%?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> probably not even that.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I'm looking at performance and stability issues for the most part.
> > >Most
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ...except X isn't the part of the system that tends to bog
> > >> >> down and bloat. It's various things built on top, and it's
> > >> >> not even even all of them (of a particular type).
> > >> >
> > >> >It's complex layer upon complex layer. It's fast becoming a house of
> > >cards.
> > >>
> > >> It will amusing to see you try to actually support this assertion.
> > >
> > >You already did. "Its' various things built on top..."
> >
> > Moron. That's how ALL engineering is supposed to be done,
> > including computer science.
>
> Moron...Cute.
>
> Do you find it at all unusual that a free OS with such an advantage in raw
> performance, versitility, and stability lags so far behind Windows on the
> desktop?
>
Given Microsoft's 20 year history of extortion and racketeering...no.
> Is this the result of good engineering?
See above.
>
> Instead of creative editing and childish insults, you might try to actually
> discuss something.
>
> >
> > [deletia]
> >
> > Someone should slap you with a harcopy version of the OSI
> > network layering model & and CS 100 textbook.
>
> Been there done that.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "ajaynath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MOZILLA SSL
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:04:11 +1000
Hi All!
After compiling and running the mozilla browser.
I am not able to connect to secure website. Does mozilla browser can handle
SSL ???.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Ajaynath
--
Distributed Systems Technology Centre
DSTC is the Australian W3C Office
Security Group
Level 12, S BLOCK,
Queensland University of Technology,
Gardens Point,
Brisbane
mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph: +61-7-38641051
http://www.dstc.edu.au
fax:+61-7-38641282
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:06:50 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <v_Y86.1681$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> > I wish you people would stop joining into the middle of the
> >> > thread and misquoting me.
> >> >
> >> > He said that ReiserFS was shipping, which is a lie.
> >>
> >> "Shipping with SuSE" sure sounds like "shipping" to me.
> >
> >The 2.4 kernel was "shipping" with certain distributions for
> >trial a few months ago, did that mean that the 2.4 kernel was
> >released/shipping?
> >
> >Give me a break.
> >
> >-Chad
> >
> >
>
> By certain distribution you are refering to the Caldera one.
>
> Nobody else shipped the beta of the 2.4 kernel.
Actually, SuSE 7.0 has both a very recent 2.2 kernal AND a 2.4.test-xx kernel.
> And the Caldera box was marked "Technology Preview Release".
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:02:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
>
> >
> > Jessie James was considered to be a
> > hero by most of the homesteaders and
> > farmers in Kansas and Missouri because
> > the railroads and banks exploited the
> > homesteaders and appeared to be above
> > the law. James would take a modest
> > amount of money, but he would also burn
> > the mortgages.
> >
> > The Dillinger gang and the Barrow gang
> > were often protected by farmers and
> > local who had already been forced to
> > give up their farms and become
> > sharecroppers because of the Great Depression.
> >
> > We now live in a world where cash is
> > little more than "government green
> > stamps", and the "Real Money" is the
> > bits in the bank's corporate computers.
> > We live in a world where SWIFT moves more
> > cash in a few minutes than the
> > government prints in an entire year.
>
> Scary, isn't it.
Not nearly as scary as the fact that Microsoft has
managed to convince a number of strategic banks to
use Windows 2000 as the server to process these
transactions. These are scheduled to be deployed
sometime later this year.
No governmnet oversight, no FDIC actuaries, no
compliance checking of the Microsoft code. The
bank code would be regulated, but the Microsoft
code could be running ActiveX controls.
Sleep well. :-)
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
--
Rex Ballard - Sr I/T Systems Architect
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 80 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 01/14/00)
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:12:18 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:02:49 GMT, Tom Wilson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:28:04 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> >
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:09 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:34:39 GMT, Tom Wilson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> >> > > J Sloan wrote:
> >> >> >> [deletia]
> >> >> >> >smaller,
> >> >> >> >> > local GUI system would be a wonderful thing. It isn't going
to
> >> >make
> >> >> >> >major
> >> >> >> >> > inroads into the desktop market without one, IMO.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> how much smaller would it be to make a "local only" GUI?
> >> >> >> >> 5%?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> probably not even that.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I'm looking at performance and stability issues for the most
part.
> >> >Most
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ...except X isn't the part of the system that tends to bog
> >> >> >> down and bloat. It's various things built on top, and it's
> >> >> >> not even even all of them (of a particular type).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's complex layer upon complex layer. It's fast becoming a house
of
> >> >cards.
> >> >>
> >> >> It will amusing to see you try to actually support this assertion.
> >> >
> >> >You already did. "Its' various things built on top..."
> >>
> >> Moron. That's how ALL engineering is supposed to be done,
> >> including computer science.
> >
> >Moron...Cute.
> >
> >Do you find it at all unusual that a free OS with such an advantage in
raw
> >performance, versitility, and stability lags so far behind Windows on the
> >desktop?
>
> I never found that to be the case actually.
Neither have I. We're not the issue. And neither is its' technological edge.
The umpteen million people who complain about Linux's desktop are the issue.
You're sold on it as am I. They aren't and they're the ones who'll either
make or break Linux on the desktop.
>
> The real problems are device drivers, proprietary media
> codecs and general third party applications support. The
> 'bloated nature of X' is the least of the worries for
> Linux on the desktop.
Those are problems too. But the situation is improving.
>
> >
> >Is this the result of good engineering?
>
> Lesse... you can replace Xfree with 3 competitors.
>
> You can replace Motif with 4+ competitors.
>
> You can replace the KDE or GNOME desktop with 20+ competitors.
>
> You can replace Mesa with 3 competitors.
Excellent engineering. Very powerful, versatile and high tech. The reasons
I, too, like it.
Newbies and non-techs complain about the GUI's lack of intuitiveness and the
sometimes marked difference between the way one application interfaces to
the user as opposed to another.
Engineering also includes ergonomics and different windowing systems sitting
on X could use a bit of work there.
You also have to have sufficient flash and chic factor to go with it along
with some damned good PR.
(You think Microsoft is winning because its' better?)
>
> >
> >Instead of creative editing and childish insults, you might try to
actually
> >discuss something.
>
> I did.
And I appreciate that.
>
> I definitively demonstrated the value of open layering.
Was already aware of that but it certainly beats the insults. The major rap
against X are those things that we like. It's a bit complicated for those
who know nothing but Windows. The house of cards I speak of has to do with
all of those sometimes differing standards mixed together. You and I and
most of the people on this conference have no problems with it. Joe Windows
does. Joe Windows, and not this bunch is going to determine if Linux makes
it big on home and business desktops.
I also was investigating the possibilites of having a single, non-virtual,
non-remote, fully optimized, no-frills GUI sitting on top of a fast and
stable kernel. The performance possibilities are astounding.
>
> What do you do when the GUI in your WinDOS machine gets
> you down? Say you want to toss that kernel level video
> driver from your NT server?
I generally bring the system up in Linux and hack on my secondary work
project. As soon as I find the time to build a new system, I'm slapping
VMWare on it and keeping Linux up for good. I may be forced to finish up
this Windows project, but I'll to do it on my terms.
>
> Too bad, you're out of luck. You can't.
>
> OTOH, I can tune my Linux to the level of frills and featuritus
> that I want. This is either awkward or impossible to do with Windows.
You're preaching to the choir.
>
> Thus, in 5 years of running Linux on the desktop I have had no
> great urge to run back to Windows. This is even despite the
> fact that I usually have been running my Linux desktops on
> hardware vastly inferior to the Windows machines I am forced to
> put up with during working hours.
We're in the same boat. The only reason I'm running Win2K Professional right
now is the need for Visual Studio 6.
>
> I only bothered to get a pentium class machine to get PCI slots.
I did when a compile took over two hours...
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> [deletia]
> >>
> >> Someone should slap you with a harcopy version of the OSI
> >> network layering model & and CS 100 textbook.
> >
> >Been there done that.
>
>
> Then go there and do that again. You weren't paying attention
> the first time.
Actually, I was 4.0 all the way through. Started out in Med School. Wound up
hacking silicon instead of flesh.
I'm not a neophyte.
>
> Compared to the current Microsoft or Apple desktops, X is not
> at all bloated. Furthermore, media and gaming performance isn't
> even all that far behind on linux.
> The classic cries of bloatedness regarding X date back to the
> period 8 years before Microsoft had any viable GUI system.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:16:47 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Except my prior experience as a PC consultant had thought me to be
> TOLERANT
> > > of other peoples knowledge classes in regard to computing. I (unlike
> you)
> >
> > And yet, in discussions with those of us who have SUPERIOR knowledge
> > than you, you dismis us as fools.
>
> I dismiss nothing. I strongly disagree, but I do not dismiss.
Disagreeing with your betters is a sign of stupidity.
You should, like, do something about that.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Reply-To: "rnwalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "rnwalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Mandrake in VMware in Windows 2000 - HELP!
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:18:48 GMT
I am pulling my hair out trying to get Linus Mandrake to run!
I installed VMware 2.03 inside my Windows 2000 box, 128mb, PIII 500, ADSL,
D-Link card. This is a stand-alone system in my home.
I have installed Redhat twice and gave up on that. Tonight I did 2 installs
of Mandrake 7.2 and I am ready to scream.
First, during the install, it asked for the second CD and rejected that. I
extracted the files from the ISO and burned them so maybe that is the
problem and I can live with that. When it asked for the 2nd CD, I hit
cancel and the install continued.
When we got to the network part I said I had ADSL and the install started
doing its thing. It got to the network card and gave me the following error
"insmod'ing module lance failed at /usr/bin/perl-Install/modules.pm line 479
No Ethernet adapter has been detected on your system". Bridging is enabled
in VMware and running in services.
During setup it asked for a root pasword and confirmation. I gave it
"catlove". It then asked for a user and I gave it "meesha" as the user and
"catlove" again as the password. I hit "accept user" and then done.
The install said it could automatically log one user on at startup so I
selected "meesha".
After reboot, it waits about 3 minutes at "starting ADSL". It asks for a
login that it was suppose to do automatically. I give it meesha / catlove
and it logs me in and sits at the root prompt in text mode.
What happened to this fancy interface? Is this VMware that is causing my
troubles or Mandrake? Any help would be appreciated. I am sure as soon as
I get this going, my problems will only have just started!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:25:33 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <xS496.84740$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >
>
> If I may.
>
> >When Linux functions JUST like Windows, only better, I'll convert. Promise.
> >
>
> Allow me to drop my shields for a moment and have a heart to heart
> with you Kyle.
>
> Back in the 90's I like to use Linux but I wasn't sure of the GPL
> license. So I ran a dual boot machine for a couple of years
> as I wasn't even sure I could replace Windows with Linux.
>
> After having been in the saddle using Linux as a desktop in
> this mode for 2 years I became comfortable with the system,
> appreciated the systems finer points, learned there wasn't
> really anything I was doing with Windows I couldn't do with
> linux better, ect ect ect....
>
> You know, we all talk about trying a MAC. I know I talked
> about it. And for $2,500 a box, talk was about as far as I
> got with that.
>
> Linux is different.
>
> I was sick and tired of Windows bluescreening and poor performance
> and uptime. I was tired of taking $3,500 from my family every year
> in keeping up with their software so I could be GOOD at my job.
> I was tired of becomming a certified dildo!
>
> I was tired of being a slave to Microsoft.
>
> And this is where I came from.
>
> Switching to Linux wasn't easy for me to do full time.
>
> But Linux back then was more like a hobby than a reality.
> You get out of a hobby what you put into it.
>
> But today Linux is a very serious commercial contender.
>
> I was even sick of looking at the Windows desktop.
> The same thing day in and day out. I just about vomited
> everytime I saw the GD thing.
>
> X is very refreshing to me. I change everything around every
> 2-3 months just so I don't have to look at the SAME thing over
> and over and over again.
I have a script that runs xmoon, refreshing every 120 seconds,
and then 60 seconds later, runs xearth, refreshing every 120 seconds.
making a dynamic desktop :-)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:31:54 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mandrake 7.2 cost $35.95-$120 at Borders Books in NYC depending on
> version (PowerPack was the most expensive).
>
> Win2k Pro upgrade is about $115.00 average price mail order.
> Full support is included.
Whoa, slow down thar. First off, no one forced you to use Mandrake;
there's other choices in Linux distros. Secondly, what does Win 2000
Pro cost if you have a blank machine with no operating system on it?
You're going to paying at least $199. So, you only get the "lower"
price of $115 iff you've already been pumping money into Microsoft's
pocket, i.e., have an existing NT installation. So, for the upgrade,
what you are paying is the price of the previous version of NT PLUS the
special upgrade to Win 2000. So, assuming you paid $120 for NT 4.0, and
then "upgraded" to Win 2000, what you actually paid for Win 2000 pro is
$120 + $115, which adds up to $235. I hardly consider this to be a
bargain.
> Of course you can get a $1.99 CD at Cheapbytes, but again, no support
> and not a full system like the $35.95 version
If you don't need support, then why not just buy from CheapBytes? The
only way to obtain Win 2000 at such a price is to buy it used from
someone, which is clearly a violation of Microsoft's licensing.
Linux is the better value.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:31:14 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:e4996.2831$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > news:tR396.84229$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Way to snip the part about this being a WORKSTATION conversation genius.
> >
> > (Alruight then. Fair enough. Smartass mode off)
> >
> > Honest question: Do you really find crashing of even that sort
> > (Workstation) to be acceptable and do you find those who don't to be
> > unreasonable?
>
> I find that people complaining about "crashing workstations" to be primarily
> caused by the use of Microsoft's Windows 95 & 98 operating systems. Neither
> of which I have much respect for. As for claiming that Windows NT 4
> "bluescreens every half hour" are caused by lackluster administrative
> policies. Windows NT had stability problems, but Service pack 4 hammered
> most stability problems out, from then on it was securty problems until 6a,
> when it was discontinued in favor of 2000, which seems to be showing a lot
> of technological advancement on Microsoft's part.
>
Translation...
the $200 product [Lose9x] crashes every couple of hours
the $1000 product [LoseNT] crashes only once/week.
The $25 product [Linux] will stay up for months.
Do the economic analysis.
> Even then, when something crashes, it crashes, and the reset switch is just
> around the corner. I've seen Linux lock up, I've seen Windows lock up. It
> stops responding, you hit reset. It's a workstation, I think someone can
> wait two, or three minutes to resume their work.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:32:15 -0000
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:06:50 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> In article <v_Y86.1681$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>> >
>> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I wish you people would stop joining into the middle of the
>> >> > thread and misquoting me.
>> >> >
>> >> > He said that ReiserFS was shipping, which is a lie.
>> >>
>> >> "Shipping with SuSE" sure sounds like "shipping" to me.
>> >
>> >The 2.4 kernel was "shipping" with certain distributions for
>> >trial a few months ago, did that mean that the 2.4 kernel was
>> >released/shipping?
>> >
>> >Give me a break.
>> >
>> >-Chad
>> >
>> >
>>
>> By certain distribution you are refering to the Caldera one.
>>
>> Nobody else shipped the beta of the 2.4 kernel.
>
>Actually, SuSE 7.0 has both a very recent 2.2 kernal AND a 2.4.test-xx kernel.
Is that an installation option? Is 2.4 the default? Is there
any warning given when you attempt to install it? Is it just
an rpm you can use?
--
>
> ...then there's that NSA version of Linux...
This would explain the Mars polar lander problem.
Kyle Jacobs, COLA
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:29:59 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have a script that runs xmoon, refreshing every 120 seconds,
> and then 60 seconds later, runs xearth, refreshing every 120 seconds.
>
>
> making a dynamic desktop :-)
This sounds a tad obsessive to me.
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