Linux-Advocacy Digest #525, Volume #32 Tue, 27 Feb 01 11:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Ok, moooooo is forging posts under my name (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (Richard Heathfield)
Re: Is this odd security behaviour by MS? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Time for a Windows reinstall! ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: [OT] .sig (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. (Craig Kelley)
Re: My long signature (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ok, moooooo is forging posts under my name
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:40:44 -0500
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ok i admit it, I am an arsehole
>
> If you want to be convincing you need to forge Aaron's headers as well, not
> just an email address...
Not only that, but I've never used British slang.
>
> > X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30
> > Lines: 1
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: onlyNews customer
> > X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > X-Trace: onlyNews customer
> > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:20:58 PST
> > Organization: www.onlynews.com
> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:20:58 GMT
>
> ian.
>
> \ /
> (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:35:56 +0000
From: Richard Heathfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
chrisv wrote:
>
> Robert Stankowic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Man,
> >obviously you are too stupid to understand that usenet is an
> >_international_ medium. Your stupid posts arrive at _my_ computer in
> >_my_ country and I feel offended.
>
> Then
> don't
> read
> them.
>
> >*plonk*
>
> Hey, you finally figured it out!
>
> Now, isn't that better than having everyone's right suppressed and
> speech censored, just so you never have to exercise YOUR right to use
> your head and delete the post or change the channel or whatever?
Please drop these ludicrous accusations of censorship. Nobody's trying
to censor anyone.
Now, it's unfortunately the case that plonking is /not/ a
comprehensively satisfactory solution in cases like Mr Kulkis's.
This thread is posted to at least one technical newsgroup, and I
wouldn't be surprised if comp.os.linux.advocacy has a technical side to
it too.
Also, it is self-evident that Mr Kulkis reads at least one of these
groups.
Therefore, it is not unreasonable to suppose that Mr Kulkis occasionally
tries to provide technical assistance.
We have already seen, by his inaccurate claims about the library versus
the language, that he's not particularly good at this.
If all the clueful people killfile him, who is left to read his articles
and issue corrections to them, so that newbies are not led astray by his
inaccuracies?
Sadly, killfiling is too easy an option.
The ideal solution is for Mr Kulkis to learn how to be a civilised adult
human being. Unfortunately, it seems this is beyond his grasp. But don't
worry; like all trolls, he'll eventually discover girls or motor-bikes
or something, and get out of our hair. He's strictly a short-term
problem.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
K&R Answers: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton/kandr2/index.html
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is this odd security behaviour by MS?
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:42:01 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have just received another security bulletin from MS:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-013.asp
> >
> > Quite simply there's a buffer overrun in event viewer. So what you say,
> > buffer overruns are found all the time.
> >
> > This is what caught my eye:
> >
> > "Patches for Windows 2000 Datacenter Server are hardware-specific and
> > available from the original equipment manufacturer."
> >
> > Now I would be very surprised if event viewer contained hardware specific
> > code. Does Microsoft have a policy of not providing security patches for
> > Windows 2000 Datacenter Server, instead leaving it up to OEMs?
> >
> > Now we know Microsoft leaves first tier support up to OEMs, but making
> > them responsible for providing or distributing security patches as well
> > worries me. I consider the buck stops squarely at Microsoft's doorstep in
> > relation to security vulnerabilities in their code.
> >
> > I'm sure Erik will be able to clear up any misunderstanding :-)
>
> I believe you're misunderstanding the nature of the OEM with relation
> to Datacenter server. Datacenter server is not created, nor sold, nor
> marketed like traditional software. Only licensed OEMs can get
> datacenter for their hardware, and then, the software MUST come
> installed properly by the OEM when you buy said hardware.
>
> The OEMs are in charge of installing Win2K Datacenter on their
> hardware. I believe some datacenter vendors even have non-intel
> hardware, but I may be wrong. The OEMs, I believe, have limited
> access to the source and are able to compile it for specific
> hardware differences. I believe they are responsible for
> recompiling the fix that was sent to them by Microsoft and sending
> the compiled patch out to their customers.
>
> This is what I think is the case, but I've never purchased
> Datacenter, and i'm not 100% sure of the nature of the OEM
> relationship, so I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is
> how it works.
>
DataCenter...a product which is incapable of achieving 5 9's
uptime with 4 or fewer machines.
Says it all, really.
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:43:36 -0500
chrisv wrote:
>
> "Z" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >(Yes, I'm not american. Thank god!)
>
> I'm glad you're not, too. We don't need any more book-burning fascist
> censors in our country.
Damn straight.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:44:18 -0500
Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > printf() WITHIN <stdio.h> is defined.
>
> Wrong. <stdio.h> declares and prototypes printf, but does not define it.
>
>
> > printf() in general is not defined.
>
> Wrong. The behaviour of printf is defined by the ISO C Standard:
>
> 7.19.6.3 The printf function
>
> Synopsis
>
> [#1]
>
> #include <stdio.h>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You make my point for me.
game
set
match.
> int printf(const char * restrict format, ...);
>
> Description
>
> [#2] The printf function is equivalent to fprintf with the
> argument stdout interposed before the arguments to printf.
>
> Returns
>
> [#3] The printf function returns the number of characters
> transmitted, or a negative value if an output or encoding
> error occurred.
>
> If you fail to #include <stdio.h>, that doesn't mean printf isn't
> defined. It just means there's no prototype in scope for it. Using a
> variadic function without a prototype in scope invokes undefined
> behaviour.
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield
> "Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
> C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
> K&R Answers: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton/kandr2/index.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time for a Windows reinstall!
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:43:05 +0000
Donn Miller wrote:
> The house that David Cutler built. As I understand it, Cutler had
> something to do with DOS as well. I know Cutler designed rsx-11, and
> CP/M is derived from it. DOS is derived from CP/M, and hence DOS has an
> RSX-11 ancestry. You can actually see some VMS-isms in DOS, such as the
> "dir" command, and VMS-style switches (/w /p, etc.) Also, I believe VMS
> has special device names like LPT1:, COM1:, and CON:. This is assuming
> that Cutler carried some of the RSX-11 design into VMS, of course.
> Also, note the horrible 3-char extension that VMS has: VMS has
> PROGRAM.EXE, etc., same as WinDOS.
>
> Then, DOS was given some unix-like commands later, as I understand it.
This history is quite apparent at the syscall level (INT 21 for those who
are interested) where several operations are really available twice, once
in the old DOSv1 format (FCBs and all, yay!) and once in the newer DOSv2
format (very much like several well-known Unix-isms.) There was even an
(undocumented) call you could make which would change the directory
separation character so you could process filenames and switches in the
way that Our Lord Dennis intended...
Of course, MS has ditched all that in favour of Win32 (and the loss of the
FCB-based stuff is not going to have me weeping in my beer...)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- This may scare your cat into premature baldness, but Sun are not the only
sellers of Unix. -- Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:45:32 -0500
Robert Stankowic wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis schrieb:
> >
> > Ben Pfaff wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
>
> [....]
>
> >
> > I am acting within my rights as spelled out in the US Constitution
> > for ANY person on American soil. *THAT* is American culture.
> >
> > Conversely *WHEN* I am overseas, I abide by local laws.
> >
> > As I am, right now, sitting quite serenely well within the
> > borders of the United States, I will damn well behave accordingly.
> >
> > If you don't like it, you can go fuck yourself.
>
> Man,
> obviously you are too stupid to understand that usenet is an
> _international_ medium. Your stupid posts arrive at _my_ computer in
> _my_ country and I feel offended.
Dear idiot.
You have no right to be free from "feeling offended"
deal with it, you simpering crybaby.
> Please broadcast whatever sh*t you like in any medium local to the
> US, but not international
>
> *plonk*
>
> --
> Robert Stankowic
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "The regular early morning yell of horror" - Douglas Adams
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: 27 Feb 2001 08:46:05 -0700
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but Amiga and Mac OS both have
> > processes.
>
> Nope. AmigaOS has "tasks" which are synonymous with threads.
> AmigaOS tasks all run in the same address space and have no seperate
> context of a process.
I used to develop software for the Amiga. It has processes. It has
top. It has PIDs. What does the 'Proc' part of CreateNewProcTags()
mean? (Yes, there is a CreateTask() call as well -- but tasks can't
do many things that processes can).
> MacOS has improved in recent years, but still has no concept of a process.
> MacOS X will change that.
A process needn't have it's own address space. That's how UNIX does
it now, but it was not always the case.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My long signature
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:46:40 -0500
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Fuck you all
> The signature will continue to grow at a rate of 1 user per day from now
> on until you all get over it
> This is your punishment for dissing me
I didn't write that. [check the headers]
but it is pretty funny.
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: "mooo" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
> but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:48:20 -0500
Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > printf() WITHIN <stdio.h> is defined.
>
> Wrong. <stdio.h> declares and prototypes printf, but does not define it.
>
>
> > printf() in general is not defined.
>
> Wrong. The behaviour of printf is defined by the ISO C Standard:
>
> 7.19.6.3 The printf function
>
> Synopsis
>
> [#1]
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> int printf(const char * restrict format, ...);
>
> Description
>
> [#2] The printf function is equivalent to fprintf with the
> argument stdout interposed before the arguments to printf.
>
> Returns
>
> [#3] The printf function returns the number of characters
> transmitted, or a negative value if an output or encoding
> error occurred.
>
> If you fail to #include <stdio.h>, that doesn't mean printf isn't
> defined. It just means there's no prototype in scope for it. Using a
^^^^^^^
> variadic function without a prototype in scope invokes undefined
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> behaviour.
^^^^^^^^^
So many words to express the EXACT same thing which I said.
talk about low signal/noise ratios.
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield
> "Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
> C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
> K&R Answers: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton/kandr2/index.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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