Linux-Advocacy Digest #598, Volume #31 Sat, 20 Jan 01 01:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Oh look! A Linux virus! (Tim Smith)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (Charlie Ebert)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (Charlie Ebert)
Re: NSTL, and where are the Winvocates now? (Charlie Ebert)
[Fwd: [MDLUG] Linux clusters] ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
[Fwd: [MDLUG] Linux clusters] ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Dell system with Linux costs *more* than with Win2K ("kiwiunixman")
Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Oh look! A Linux virus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Poor Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's not all about up-time (or: Time for some marketing?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: 10,000 to 20,000 Linux/Alphas - CLUSTERED! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Oh look! A Linux virus!
Date: 19 Jan 2001 21:00:46 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know of a Russian engineer in the 80's (who still lived in Russia
> mind you) who was able to write games for a programmable calculator.
I had a calculator in the 70's that had little magnetic cards for
storing programs (TI SR-52). I wrote a little OS with a swapping system
so I could run bigger programs.
--Tim Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:15:04 GMT
In article <je2a6.916$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Larry R wrote:
>> >
>> > Gotta love this:
>> >
>> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/517823.asp
>>
>> I've seen this on AMD 450 MHz machines running 98. This is what happens
>> when you take shortcuts. For example, find a faster way to shut down
>> all programs when doing a shutdown instead of screwing with
>> real/protected mode.
>
>Did you even read the article?
>
>The problem was not "screwing with real/protected mode". The problem was
>the computer didn't give the drives (with large caches) enough time to
>completely write out their data before shutting down.
>
>Actually, I think this *IS* a fault of the drive. The drive should hold
>enough capacitance to finish writing out it's cache and then park, but
>aparently the drive doesn't do this.
>
>
Or it could be Jupiter in alignment with Mars and Pluto this time....
Isn't it VERY convinient to find fault with hardware when YOUR
the Windows USER who always blows your own dick off about how
LINUX doesn't support hardware properly?
Well, Linux may not have as much support for hardware as Windows
but what it does support, IT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS!!!!
Hope this helps.
Charlie
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:15:47 GMT
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:20:53
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:17:11
>> [...]
>> >But no one knew about it, there were no cases of exploitation.
>>
>> This is the ultimate fallacy which requires your argument to contradict
>> itself. You assume that it was not exploited, because no one knew about
>> it, and believe that your not knowing about it indicates it was never
>> exploited.
>
>Have you seen any reports about it being exploited? Search all the
>security sites. I searched a few major ones and turned up nothing.
>How 'bout you?
>
>So your basic argument is that you think there were exploits, but you
>have no proof of it.
No, my complete argument is that you have no proof there were not
exploits. You appear to be saying that there were none (and use lack of
evidence to support the claim) in order to pretend that having a back
door in closed source software for years is somehow better than having
it found almost immediately when the code was opened.
Its frankly quite ridiculous. You start with an infallible position
(since you can't prove a negative, you cannot prove there were no
exploits) and move to an argument from ignorance based on it (that I
have no proof of exploits, therefore there were none). Stopping along
the way for a false assumption (there would be available proof of any
exploits) you take a contrary notion (that it is good to have a back
door in closed source software) and attempt to use it to refute a
self-evident fact (that back doors in open source software are
detected).
Why don't you and Erik Funkenbusch go off somewhere and pull each
other's pud, for a change, and leave us alone.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:16:04 GMT
In article <WX2a6.931$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:94acvk$a9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Larry R wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Gotta love this:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/517823.asp
>> >>
>> >> I've seen this on AMD 450 MHz machines running 98. This is what
>happens
>> >> when you take shortcuts. For example, find a faster way to shut down
>> >> all programs when doing a shutdown instead of screwing with
>> >> real/protected mode.
>>
>> > Did you even read the article?
>>
>> > The problem was not "screwing with real/protected mode". The problem
>was
>> > the computer didn't give the drives (with large caches) enough time to
>> > completely write out their data before shutting down.
>>
>> OHHHH....Its the COMPUTERS FAULT FOR BEING TOO FAST.
>
>No, actually.. the drive was too slow, and didn't provide enough capacitance
>to deal with it.
>
>> Thanks for clearing that up.
>>
>> I'm sure everyone will be willing to slow down their hardware so that
>windows
>> wont break anymore.
>
>Let me ask you a question. How long is WIndows supposed to wait? Suppose
>IBM introduces a new drive with a 10GB buffer in it. It takes 10 minutes to
>flush the buffer to disk. How long is Windows supposed to wait before
>shutting down? The drive provides no way for the OS to know when the buffer
>is fully flushed, so what is the OS supposed to do?
>
>
It's supposed to WAIT on the fucking interrupt you god damn idiot!
Hope this helps.
Charlie
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: NSTL, and where are the Winvocates now?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:19:42 GMT
In article <u66a6.975$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Aaron Ginn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > "Aaron Ginn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Seriously, Winvocates have zero credibility left. If Microsoft can't
>> > > get NT to stay up on average better than 38 days, how are we expected
>> > > to believe all these claims that have been made over the last few
>> > > years about NT staying up indefinately? How are we expected to
>> > > believe the current claims made about W2K?
>> >
>> > Microsoft did not conduct the study. Why do you people always distort
>the
>> > truth?
>>
>> True, but do you honestly doubt they had nothing to do with the
>> results? They paid for the study, and no study can be released
>> without the prior consent of Microsoft. Microsoft may not have
>> conducted the study, but they certainly had something to do with the
>> results.
>
>That doesn't change the fact that you claimed that Microsoft did conduct the
>study, stating quite clearly "If Microsoft can't get NT to stay up on
>average better than 38 days, how are we extected to believe all these
>claims..."
>
>Stop distorting the truth.
>
>
It is the absolute TRUTH that Microsoft had to approve this study before
it was released. Paid for or not.
It's an absolute lie. This is a totally fucked deal that nobody could
replicate.
And you are a totally fucked in the head asshole EF.
Hope this helps.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: [Fwd: [MDLUG] Linux clusters]
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:22:53 -0500
bernie wirtz wrote:
>
> From Techweb:
>
> IBM, NCSA TEAM ON LINUX SUPERCOMPUTING CLUSTER
> Linux is legit. If adoption of the open-source OS by major corporations
> didn't prove it, then the decision of the National Center for Supercomputing
> Applications to build two huge Linux clusters should.
>
> http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eB7s0BDXIm0H40Cnq7
>
> b.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: [Fwd: [MDLUG] Linux clusters]
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:24:12 -0500
bernie wirtz wrote:
>
> From Techweb:
>
> IBM, NCSA TEAM ON LINUX SUPERCOMPUTING CLUSTER
> Linux is legit. If adoption of the open-source OS by major corporations
> didn't prove it, then the decision of the National Center for Supercomputing
> Applications to build two huge Linux clusters should.
>
> http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eB7s0BDXIm0H40Cnq7
>
> b.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dell system with Linux costs *more* than with Win2K
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:25:14 GMT
or is it because no matter how much he plays with his dick, it is still
small and flat.
kiwiunixman
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:94abvg$cus8k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> kiwiunixman wrote in message <3a67be20$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >why do they call you flatfish?
>
>
> Because he's smelly, oily and his arguments fall flat
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: 20 Jan 2001 05:33:17 GMT
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 03:09:02 GMT, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:21:22 GMT, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >The perl philosophy is that if a language prevents you from doing
>> >bad things it will likewise prevent you from doing good things. I
>> >agree, at least to the point that I would not expect any programmer
>> >who counts on the compiler to keep him from making mistakes to
>> >ever do anything great.
>>
>>
>> Failing to read documentation for private class members is not a
>> "mistake".
>
>Really? Is it good practice to try to use any variable, function, or
>method that the compiler will allow you to access whether you
>know what it does or not?
My point is that you should be able to add variables to a class without
having to worry about name collisions with "private" data members.
>What's wrong with wrapping anything that can fail with an
>eval{ .... } and using die to bail from anywhere inside? This
>also has the advantage that you can run/test the inner code as
>a standalone program and the right thing happens anyway.
I supposed you could use eval, but it's not as nice as
exception handling. (for example, one can use heirarchies
of exceptions for different types of errors).
I'd also be concerned about performance
implications of doing this -- does it have any adverse impact ?
It just sounds like a duct tape job (like a lot of things in
perl)
Speaking for myself, Ruby is the main reason I'm not interested
in using perl any more (That is, for programming. And if I want
to write dynamic web pages, there's PHP which is sort of like a
simplified version of perl specialised for webpages). Ruby
strikes me as being "perl++". I see it as being several steps
in the direction where perl should ideally move towards
(unfortunately, perl is somewhat hobbled by the fact that it
wasn't really designed as an OO language in the first place)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oh look! A Linux virus!
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:33:40 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:43:17 GMT, Bones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Nick Condon wrote:
> >
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>> Nothing is virus proof, as long as people can write programs for it.
> >
> >
> >> My calculator is programmable. Write a virus for that.
> >
> >So is your VCR; write a virus for that.
> >
> >I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word 'program' as computer
> >engineers had intended it to be used. The confusion seems to stem from your
> >accepting the misuse of the word 'program' by marketoids with no
> >understanding of what all these terms mean. You calulator, as supplied to
> >you, can be customizable, configurable and may even have its own interpreted
> >scripting language.
> >
> >Someone with a schematic of your calculator as well as a reference guide
> >about the processor that is in it will more than likely be able to write a
> >virus for it. Whether its possible to store the program in the calculator's
> >memory and execute it is a another matter. But given enough time, I'm sure its
> >possible.
>
> I know of a Russian engineer in the 80's (who still lived in Russia
> mind you) who was able to write games for a programmable calculator.
Old news. HP-28's and 48's have had games for years.
>
> --
>
> In general, Microsoft is in a position of EXTREME conflict of
> interest being both primary supplier and primary competitor.
> Their actions must be considered in that light. How some people
> refuse to acknowledge this is confounding.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:35:58 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:39:39 GMT, "kiwiunixman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Listen to my sonny, I have a Sound Blaster Live!, TNT2 32 MB Graphics card,
> >and a SwannSmart II 56K Modem (Aussie made = quality), and mine work
> >perfectly under Linux (SuSE Linux 7.0 Pro), with out an problems. So, I
> >don't know what tree you fell out of, but it must of been a very long fall!
>
> Tell me how you get digital output from the SBLive via spd/if
> connectors?
>
Piss Poor planning on your part does NOT constitute an emergency on my part.
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's not all about up-time (or: Time for some marketing?)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:40:02 GMT
With Word 97 try:
Tools->Options->Save
Click on the Save AutoRecovery Info every.
10 minutes is usually a good interval.
BTW, application crashes are what you are talking about here - this
has little to do with OS uptimes. X applications under Linux crash as
well - perhaps even more often than those in the MS Office suite.
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:59:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>To respond to your topic, yes it is all about uptime.
>
>I am sick to death of working for hours on something for my boss in Word
>or Excel or Project and being the innocent victim of the "illegal
>operation" popup. And no matter what I try to do to recover, I
>invariably end up rebooting to fix it.
>
>I get victimized daily by Windows, I don't get the same from Linux.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:39:13 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:41:02 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >JS PL wrote:
> >>
> >> That story kind of reminds me about how my mp3 player in Linux plays exactly
> >> 1 mp3 per system boot. I try to make it a good choice since I get to only
> >> play one until I reboot though.
> >
> >You sure fucked up your configuration then.
> >Or you're absolutely lying. What a wienie.
>
> Even if Windows exhibited the same sort of behaivor, I would
> be loathe to use such an anecdote to bash it. That just sounds
> too bizzare to be believed.
For a while, my LoseDOS box would only perform one scan per boot-up
>
> [deletia]
>
> --
>
> Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
> nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
> with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
> have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
> in once they've made a bad initial decision.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10,000 to 20,000 Linux/Alphas - CLUSTERED!
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:39:50 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <94aod9$h8b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WOW!
> >
> >
> http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO56666_NLTpm%2C00.html
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
> >
>
> Yeah, I just posted that one too. I was almost tempted to cross-post to
> one of the MSFT NGs, but that woulda been just too mean. Heck, MSFT
> don't even run on Alphas anymore.
>
> But that's a good thing(tm); can you imagine how many MCSEs it would
> take to reboot 20,000 servers on a weekly schedule?
Is that fully certified, or merely took the class?
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:43:01 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:VJ5a6.2074$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:17:11
> > > [...]
> > > >But no one knew about it, there were no cases of exploitation.
> > >
> > > This is the ultimate fallacy which requires your argument to contradict
> > > itself. You assume that it was not exploited, because no one knew about
> > > it, and believe that your not knowing about it indicates it was never
> > > exploited.
> >
> > Have you seen any reports about it being exploited? Search all the
> > security sites. I searched a few major ones and turned up nothing.
> > How 'bout you?
>
> How would anyone know if someone had read their confidential
> data through this backdoor? If they don't know, how can they
> report it. As long as the source was closed they didn't even
> know they should suspect such a problem.
>
> > So your basic argument is that you think there were exploits, but you
> > have no proof of it.
>
> What kind of proof would you expect? Do you think the person taking
> advantage of the exploit is going to report it?
They may be criminals, but they're HONEST criminals....or something...
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aaron R. Kulkis
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you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
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adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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