Linux-Advocacy Digest #598, Volume #33 Sat, 14 Apr 01 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Col. Hack ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: hmm getting tired of this! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: So much for modules in Linux! (GreyCloud)
Re: Windoze is dying.... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A mentality problem of linux programmer. (Ralph Miguel Hansen)
Re: Inktomi Webmap -- Apache has 60% now. (GreyCloud)
Re: A mentality problem of linux programmer. (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Microsoft uses Linux (Andres Soolo)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Col. Hack
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:05:21 -0400
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> MjM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Yes, Windows is easy. It's called *submission*.
>
> Windows 95: Where do you want to go today?
> Windows XP: All your base are belong to us.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Where, precisely, did that mangled sentance originally come from?
does anybody know?
>
> --
> --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hmm getting tired of this!
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:04:03 -0400
Darin Johnson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Anybody who claims to have "proved" Global warming is a fraud.
>
> And anyone who claims it doesn't exist is also a fraud! Both sides
> should have lots of fraudness in common.
they're just using the globalarmist's own logic back at them.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So much for modules in Linux!
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:09:17 -0700
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Chad Everett wrote:
>
> > After reading many of Peter's posts I am starting to seriously doubt
> > that anyone at SuSE, in reality, actually told him to use boot.local.
> > Maybe the name boot.local came up somehow and he took off with it.
>
> Yeah right.
>
> They sent me an EMail.
>
> Here it is in its entirety:
>
> ===============================================================
> Dear Mr. Goodwin,
>
> Many thanks for your enquiry to SuSE Installation Support.
> You wrote:
>
> > I have two problems with networking.
> >
> > Firstly, DHCP appears to disturb my two network cards and assigns the
> > wrong driver to each card, so the networks are down. I have read your
> > support article about two NIC's but moving DHCP later in startup
> > didn't solve the problem. I'm currently starting DHCP by hand and it
> > appears to work.
>
> Your enquiry goes beyond the scope of Installation Support. This support
> is intended primarily as a help to get a basic system up and running. (see
> appendix A of the handbook). We hope you will understand that advanced
> topics such as the one your question involves cannot be answered in full
> detail.
>
> If the manual starting if DHCP works, then you can add a line with that
> command to the /etc/init.d/boot.local file.
>
> > Secondly, if I boot Windows 98 SE first (this is a dual boot machine),
> > then the NIC connected to my cable modem is assigned a MAC address of
> > 00:00:00:00:00:00 on booting Linux - this does not work with my Cable
> > Modem.
>
> I don't see how this can be solved apart from switching the computer off
> before you boot into Linux.
>
> Best regards
>
> Your SuSE Support-Team
> Hartmut Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> SuSE GmbH, Tel: +49-421-5262300 Mo-Fr 13-18.00
> Schanzaeckerstr. 10, Fax: +49-421-5262350
> 90443 Nuernberg, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Germany WWW: http://support.suse.de/
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> ===================================================================
>
> --
> Pete
> Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> Kylix: the way to go!
Hmmm... if you have to start DHCP manually after all is up, how about
putting this in the .bash_profile or /etc/.profile? Under Sun its
usually in .dtprofile. Its a start at least. It may also be a dumb
idea on my part tho.
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Windoze is dying....
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:13:20 -0400
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/13/1236215&mode=thread
>
> Well, well, well. It seems the almighty Redmond Empire can't get
> its Xbox out on time.
>
> Guess Windoze must be dying.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Ralph Miguel Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A mentality problem of linux programmer.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:25:32 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:58:09 GMT, JLI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>When someone complained in this group that something is too
>>difficult to do in Unix, the answer is mostly like "you are too dump",
>>or "this guy is paid by Microsoft". This indicates a foundament
>>mentality problem of linux programmer. Here is another example
>>I encountered recently in our company.
>>
>
> You are too dump and you're paid by Microsoft.
>
>
>
Hahaha!
Cheers
Ralph Miguel Hansen
Using S.u.S.E. 4.3 and SuSE 7.1
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Inktomi Webmap -- Apache has 60% now.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:18:04 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > * Have You Heard...Compaq has been left red faced by a
> > > > > defacement
> > > > > > > > > > > > double whammy as two of its sub domains were
> vandalized by
> > > two
> > > > > > > > > > > > different hacking groups?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Publication: vnunet.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > Issue Date: 22 March 2001
> > > > > > > > > > > > Title: Compaq Websites Suffer Double Hack
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1119535
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This was the article.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The article doesn't seem accurate.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com+
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Shows that on March 25th, the first site was running on
> > > Compaq
> > > > > Tru64
> > > > > > > > > Unix,
> > > > > > > > > > > and only switched to NT4 sometime in the last week or
> so.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, it may not seem accurate, but an intrusion is an
> > > intrusion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I follow you. The article claims that it was
> NT4
> > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > breached, yet Netcraft seems to indicate that at the time of
> the
> > > > > attack,
> > > > > > > > > they were running Tru64 (and Apache). Clearly one must call
> > > into
> > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > the validity of the article at all if they can't even get
> what
> > > OS
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > computer was running correct.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The two sub domain servers, both running hackers' favourite
> > > > > > > > Microsoft IIS 4 on NT, were hit overnight."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is the part above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note also that it says which web servers were hit:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "One of the defacements on www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com by
> > > > > > > Antihackerlink appears to have used the well documented Unicode
> > > exploit
> > > > > "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And again, look at the link I provided:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com+
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It shows that www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com was running Tru64
> > > with
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > at about the time the article claims.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Compaq's main site, Compaq.com, runs the less attacked Apache
> web
> > > > > > > > server on
> > > > > > > > Compaq's own flavour of Unix, Tru64."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would say by all of this that MS draws more attention to
> hackers
> > > and
> > > > > > > > that hackers do breach the security. If UNIX was the target,
> I'd
> > > say
> > > > > > > > they would have a more difficult time. Not impossible, just
> > > difficult.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is completely irrelevant to the point here. At least one
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > breached computers was apparently actually running Unix, and not
> NT4
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > the article claims. That brings the entire article into doubt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I went to your suggested link. All I found was that
> > > > > > www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com uses NT. Never mentioned the
> Tru64
> > > > > > UNIX as the server being intruded upon. But thats Compaqs
> problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > You appear to be blind. Look at the bottom of the page where it
> says
> > > "OS,
> > > > > Web Hosting History".
> > > > >
> > > > > See that table that says "Compaq Tru64" next to "Apache/1.3.11
> (Unix)"
> > > next
> > > > > to "25-Mar-2001"?
> > > >
> > > > I did. It says IIs ... that ain't UNIX my boy.
> > >
> > > Now you're just plain lying. It's right there in the table at the
> bottom of
> > > the page.
> > >
> > >
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com+
> > >
> > > It says quite clearly that on March 25th, 2001
> > > www.ols2.software-acq.compaq.com was running Apache/1.3.11 under True64.
> > > Saying otherwise is purely stupid.
> >
> > Again... it says IIS.... is that UNIX???
>
> No, it does *NOT* say it was running IIS on March 25th, 2001. It says it
> was running Apache. It is *CURRENTLY* running IIS, but seems to have
> switched to sometime between the 25th and April 4th.
>
> The article was written on March 22nd.
Hmmm.... one or the other article seems to be in error. Or just badly
written. The Sun article that I posted earlier is pointing out that the
IIS is the ones hackers favor the most. I will clarify tho, that its
Compaqs problem for not doing things right. A lot of things weren't
done right.... why they're sitting on their Alpha products is beyond me
or the VMS product line. They bought out DEC and then lets it rot on
the vine. Doesn't make any monetary sense.
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: A mentality problem of linux programmer.
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:40:09 GMT
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:58:09 GMT, JLI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|When someone complained in this group that something is too
|difficult to do in Unix, the answer is mostly like "you are too dump",
|or "this guy is paid by Microsoft". This indicates a foundament
|mentality problem of linux programmer. Here is another example
|I encountered recently in our company.
|
|We have just finished a commercial product (a C/C++ SDK) and the
|setup procedure went through quite smoothly. The only thing we don't
|like is that you have to set two or three environment variables
|manually after the setup procedure. So we asked our unix programmer
|whether we can set the environment variables automatically during the
|setup procedure. The answer we got is "if someone doesn't know how
|to set an environment variable on unix, he should not program on
|unix, do they?". I didn't respond directly, but my response would be "if we
|don't know or want to do such simple work for our client, we should not
|sell software, do we?".
Well, the problem is that there is no way to guarantee that your script
will setup the environment variables for all current and future users.
People (programmers especially) can customise their login environments
in weird and wonderfull ways. An attempt to set some variables may even
trash their existing setup (unless you are very careful) and that will
piss off your customers no end.
|Many Linux programmers are hoppyiest not professionals. They program
|for themself and for fun. There is nothing wrong with that. But if you
|want to do business with software, that won't work.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft uses Linux
Date: 14 Apr 2001 07:42:26 GMT
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> the 2.1 kernel.
> I would expect Microsoft to be clueful enough not to outsource any
> crucial server operations to a company that uses outdated development
> kernels. Please!
Maybe it's a PR thing.
Maybe they knowingly organized a company to use the outdated unstable
kernels and deliberately crashed them to publically blame it on Linux.
You know, the "Once I thought I was wrong, but it was a mistake" sort
of thing.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To defend the Saigon regime is not worth one more human life.
-- Senator Edmund Muskie
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