Linux-Advocacy Digest #791, Volume #31           Sun, 28 Jan 01 16:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Kernel upgrade - not bad at all (J Sloan)
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Microsoft is fired. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Mig)
  Re: Microsoft is fired. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (J Sloan)
  Re: Microsoft is fired. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Microsoft is fired. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Whistler predictions... (J Sloan)
  Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!! ("Chad Myers")
  Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!! (Mig)
  Re: How long does your box run for? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (.)

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:39:34 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> 
> >>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> 
> >>>>> [nothing intelligent]
> 
> >>>> THOLEN!
> >>>> JUST GO JUMP IN THE GODDAMNED VOLCANO, YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT!
> 
> >>> tholen is definitely mentally sick.
> >>>
> >>> He's been doing this since the early 90's.
> >>> Perhaps earlier than that.
> 
> >> My first unfortunate experience of reading Tholen's pollution dates
> >> back to 1989.
> 
> > This is incredible!
> 
> Yes, it is incredible that Kulkis would resort to lying.
> 
> > This man has been mentally disturbed and on the internet pumping out
> > this kind of crap for 12 years or more????
> 
> Not only are you erroneously presupposing that I am mentally disturbed,
> you're also erroneously presupposing that Kulkis is telling the truth.
> 
> > Why don't the authorities get him into  a state hospital
> > where he can be treated?
> 
> Why don't you call their attention to the alleged problem, Charlie?
> Afraid doing so will say more about you than about me?

Muana Loa is calling you, Tholen.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:45:20 +0000

Chris Clement wrote:

> How do you like KDE2.  Is it a big improvement over KDE 1.x?

Yeah, I like it. It looks much better than KDE 1.x. The tools are more 
usable. KNode the newsreader is great. The file/html/ftp etc. tool 
knoqueror still needs work and does odd things copying files/sub 
directories.

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade - not bad at all
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:43:16 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:10:04 -0600, "Philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >now my big challenge:
> >i had compiled a new kernel because i wanted USB support...

Why compile a kernel? Just upgrade to a newer disto.


> I couldn't get any of my USB devices to work either :(
>
> They all work fine under Windows as well as my Mac however.

Of course this bozo can't get anything to work in Linux -

It's against his religion!

LOL!

jjs



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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:40:31 -0500

Joe Malloy wrote:
> 
> Tholen, he tholes:
> 
> > > Why do you think I encourage the worhtless piece of shit to
> develop
> > > and up-close and personal relationship with a local source of
> > > free-flowing lava?
> >
> > Because you have no logical counterargument to offer.
> 
> You have not demonstrated that, Tholen.
> 
> > Invective is the usual fallback tactic for people like you.
> 
> Prove it, if you think you can, Tholen.

Tholen is such a contemptable pus-bag.

How much you wanna bet that the miserable shit-sack weighs over 400 pounds.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:44:07 GMT

On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:30:55 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Has anyone noticed the new line of FUD from the Winvocates?
>
>"Linux is more stable, until you put a GUI on it."

Fact.

>It is getting harder and harder to convince myself this is not a concerted
>effort. In just the last day or so I have seen this phrase pop up more than a
>couple times from a few users.

Because it is true.
DOS was more stable until you put a memory manager like QEMM on it.
Of course you couldn't play any decent games without one.
Same goes for Linsux.
Leave it sitting at the CLI and it will run forever. Leave it in the
back room running a server using the CLI and it will run forever.
Put the GUI on it, any one will do, run some applications that NORMAL
folks would run, like audio/video/graphics/spreadsheets and so forth
and the stability goes down the drain,.
Fact!

>So, in response to Windows CEMENT (CE,ME,NT) Win2K has a poor MTTF, they now
>all respond with the above party line.

The MTTF doesn't concern me because quite frankly my experience
differs. My server running Win2k is up all the time and I do heavy
processing of digital audio (like hours to remove clicks and scratches
and process using FFT) under Win98SE without a problem.

I can't even browse the web and use pan to read news without
generating a timebomb in Gnome.


>It isn't true at all. X, obviously, has a lower MTTF than Linux proper, but
>even the worst X server has a higher MTTF than 2K.

X is a mess and is quite unstable depending upon what combination of
applications are running.


Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is fired.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:41:35 -0500

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > J Sloan wrote:
> > >
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Which makes you wonder:
> > > > >
> > > > > How often does Microsoft get hacked into that we never hear about?
> > > > >
> > > > > My bet:  At least once/month.
> > > >
> > > > Don't you think the hackers would be gloating over their finds if they
> did?
> > >
> > > What, and blow their cover?
> > >
> > > No, when they find holes in the fence, they don't
> > > really want them closed, unless they're "white hat"
> > > types.
> >
> > Simply AMAZING how many Windows viruses out there take advantage
> > of undocumented behavior of Windows code.
> 
> Name one.  Just one.
> 
> > I'm willing to bet that a lot of virus-writers have had access
> > to Windows code for YEARS
> 
> Oh yeah, high school kids are so well known for keeping secrets.

As if high school kids are well known for writing sophisticated viruses...NOT!


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:40:17 +0100

mlw wrote:

> Has anyone noticed the new line of FUD from the Winvocates?
> 
> "Linux is more stable, until you put a GUI on it."
>
> It is getting harder and harder to convince myself this is not a concerted
> effort. In just the last day or so I have seen this phrase pop up more
> than a couple times from a few users.

I had the same tought a couple of days ago but its really not so different 
from some time ago.. but i expect something like that in the near future. 
They will try the same methods they used towards OS/2.

At the moment they are actually quite helpfull.... especially 
flatfish/Steve/[put a silly name here], Jan/Conrad and Chad - so please 
dont try to discourage them. Lets forget these guys and wait for the other 
bunch to arrive :-)
 
> So, in response to Windows CEMENT (CE,ME,NT) Win2K has a poor MTTF, they
> now all respond with the above party line.

Yes.. the desktop is the battlefield.... and who knows Windows desktop 
better than Linux users that mostly come from the Windows enviroment? 

> It isn't true at all. X, obviously, has a lower MTTF than Linux proper,
> but even the worst X server has a higher MTTF than 2K.
 
And its allways about XFree86- an application that runs almost perfectly on 
my desktop.. they are not aware of the fact that its just an implementation 
of X and that one can buy other Xservers.


-- 
Cheers

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is fired.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:42:26 -0500

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > > I'm willing to bet that a lot of virus-writers have had access
> > > > to Windows code for YEARS
> > >
> > > Oh yeah, high school kids are so well known for keeping secrets.
> >
> > Open sand, insert head.
> >
> > Do you really think k1dd135 are the only people with an interest in other
> > people's systems?
> 
> Did you even read the message?  He said specifically "VIRUS WRITERS".  As we
> all know, VIrus writers tend to be high school and college kids for the most
> part.

Spot the weasel words "as we all know..."

Have any Proof?


>          They work by glomming onto each others work and modifying each others
> code.  If said virus writers were all harboring the source code to windows,
> there'd be thousands of people trying to keep it secret.  Not going to
> happen.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:45:51 GMT

Chris Clement wrote:

> Bad goods?  Exactly which products produced by Microsoft are bad?  And which
> products are superior?  Linux is great as a server, but for the consumer,
> forget it.  Linux is light-years from being a consumer product.

Light years? sorry, but you protest too much.

Linux fits the bill right now for 95% of what users need.

jjs


------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is fired.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:43:13 -0500

Charlie Ebert wrote:
> 
> In article <oVTc6.4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >"Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >>
> >> > > I'm willing to bet that a lot of virus-writers have had access
> >> > > to Windows code for YEARS
> >> >
> >> > Oh yeah, high school kids are so well known for keeping secrets.
> >>
> >> Open sand, insert head.
> >>
> >> Do you really think k1dd135 are the only people with an interest in other
> >> people's systems?
> >
> >Did you even read the message?  He said specifically "VIRUS WRITERS".  As we
> >all know, VIrus writers tend to be high school and college kids for the most
> >part.  They work by glomming onto each others work and modifying each others
> >code.  If said virus writers were all harboring the source code to windows,
> >there'd be thousands of people trying to keep it secret.  Not going to
> >happen.
> >
> 
> Actually 12 year olds have been known to take down entire communitys
> of Wintrolls.
> 

Poetic justice.


> Charlie


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is fired.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:43:57 -0500

"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
> 
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > How often does Microsoft get hacked into that we never hear about?
> > >
> > > My bet:  At least once/month.
> >
> > Don't you think the hackers would be gloating over their finds if they did?
> 
> Depends.  Not every hax0r is a brat who just wants to spew <nelson>Ha,
> ha!</nelson> all over someone's Web site.  If someone got in and stole
> something valuable, or left something destructive, they might not be quite so
> eager to advertise it.  Don't forget theives and spies.
> 
> Just a WAG, but I suspect that the number of unreported cracks vastly exceeds
> the number of reported cracks, and not only at Microsoft.
> 
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:47:38 GMT

Nik Simpson wrote:

> For my mother, it was Word and shortly thereafter the Internet. And yes I
> know there are Word processors for LINUX, but she knows Word already and
> people she has to exchange documents with also use Word so its easy.

For my mother it was email and internet.

Linux a perfect fit there.

> My time is more expensive and I'll not consider LINUX until it doesn't
> require me to spend time learning new applications and hunting around
> various LINUX sites to find drivers for my hardware.

This is all nonsense, either the hardware is supported or it isnt.

The hardware support is in the kernel, right out of the box.

jjs



------------------------------

From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:32:59 GMT


"Seán Ó Donnchadha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote:
>
> >
> >Don't you see the RAW power behind 250,000 Linux developers
> >over a mere 2,000 Microsoft developers....
> >
>
> Sure, just like I see the raw power behind a million backyard
> mechanics over the mere few at BMW.

Or 250,000 developers working 240,000 different projects, the
majority of which will never see the light of day (or get more
than 2 downloads from SourceForge) as opposed to thousands
of highly concentrated developers working a few projects.

> >
> >4 OS's to support now.
> >
>
> Actually, there are 2 OSs to support now - Win9x/ME and WinNT/2K.
> Later this year Win9x/ME is finally going away. Think about that. All
> the OEMs that currently ship Win9x/ME will be shipping Whistler by the
> middle of next year. What's going to happen to Lunix's chances on the
> desktop when its only advantage over the current mainstream desktop OS
> (stability over that of Win9x/ME) goes away?
>
> >
> >I predicted Microsoft would loose dominance to Linux by
> >2005.  I wonder if they will make it that long?
> >
>
> Give me a fucking break. Lunix is finally becoming a real-world OS, as
> opposed to the hobbyist OS it started life as. And look what's
> happening to it as a result: years between major kernel updates,
> mutually incompatible distributions, distribution-specific 3d-party
> software, GUI wars, a mountain of unfinished crap software, and worst
> of all, the deadly embrace of those horrible proprietary commercial
> corporations (like IBM). You Lunix zealots should have kept this
> wonderful OS to yourselves; now that it's in the radar range of the
> commercial world, you may not like what it ends up turning into.

It's like explaining relativity to Jell-O, I don't know why you
bother.

-Chad



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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:44:38 +0100

Karel Jansens wrote:

[snip]
> But we all know that Charles Babbage was a Microsoft spoof.

Yeah... he and Konrad Zuze created NT back in 89

-- 
Cheers

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:46:20 -0500

Matthias Warkus wrote:
> 
> It was the Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:30:15 -0700...
> ...and Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 144 days of uptime the longest my Linux boxes have. The only
> > reason they are restarted is because like California, here in
> > Alberta we are going through a power deregulation too. Power
> > deregulation is the stupidest thing any government has ever
> > done.
> 
> Hey, we in Germany deregulated power two years ago or such, and still
> our power grid is about five times as reliable as the US one used to
> be. Deregulation is OK, you've just got to do it the right way.
> 

California never de-regulated power.

They have price controls.  Having price controls is fundamentally in
conflict with deregulation.

> mawa
> --
> Einblattlocher!
> Elektrogriller!
> Erbsenpürierer!
> Zweifingertipper!


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: 28 Jan 2001 20:50:27 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2001 17:02:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:


>>Whilst downloading scores of binaries from select newsgroups under windowsME,
>>I discovered that the client im using for downloading has a severe memory 
>>leak problem.
>>
>>I let it run anyhow.
>>
>>Right up until the bluescreen.  
>>
>>Yep, thats stability alright.

> No.
>  It's a shit application.

One shit application should not be able to bring down a machine with bad 
memory management.

Thats the whole reason behind "protected memory" (look it up), claire.  WindowsME
is supposed to have that.

The same application does not bluescreen W2K though, to be fair.  It simply causes
explorer to lock up and "not respond", but a quick 3 finger salute and a killing
of every running process (except "system idle" of course.  Yay VMS) brings it back
up in a sickly but usable state.

>>It may be handy to note that the horrid leak in Netscape under linux has never,
>>ever caused linux to crash.

> You are the exception.
>  Most smart users put memory limits on Netscape so it doesn't freeze
> the entire system.

Oh really now?  This is possible under MacOS (which has "by hand" protected
memory management), but how exactly does one do that under linux again?




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