Linux-Advocacy Digest #795, Volume #31 Sun, 28 Jan 01 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: All this Whistler stuff. (Mart van de Wege)
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it (J Sloan)
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: All this Whistler stuff. (J Sloan)
Re: Sound a networks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sound a networks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: Microsoft is fired. ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (J Sloan)
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Bennetts family")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("tony roth")
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Bennetts family")
Re: C2 (Jim Richardson)
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:46:30 GMT
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Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:IwSc6.21275$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Linux did not detect the second network card - does that mean that Linux
> > 2.2 does not support two network cards or it simply doesn't recognise the
> > card?
>
> Are they identical network cards (ie, do they use the same device driver)?
> If so, you have to tell Linux to use different IRQ's for them (nevermind
> that IRQ sharing is a feature of PCI 2.1, I don't know if the 2.4 kernel
> does this or not, but 2.2 certainly doesn't seem to).
Yep, shared interrupts work fine here:
CPU0
0: 6056129 XT-PIC timer
1: 38067 XT-PIC keyboard
2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
5: 815593 XT-PIC EMU10K1
7: 0 XT-PIC usb-ohci
9: 0 XT-PIC acpi
10: 601737 XT-PIC eth0, eth1
12: 1639195 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
14: 67993 XT-PIC ide0
15: 3643 XT-PIC ide1
NMI: 0
ERR: 0
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Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote in message
<br><a
href="news:IwSc6.21275$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:IwSc6.21275$[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>...
<br>> Linux did not detect the second network card - does that mean that
Linux
<br>> 2.2 does not support two network cards or it simply doesn't recognise
the
<br>> card?
<p>Are they identical network cards (ie, do they use the same device
driver)?
<br>If so, you have to tell Linux to use different IRQ's for them (nevermind
<br>that IRQ sharing is a feature of PCI 2.1, I don't know if the 2.4 kernel
<br>does this or not, but 2.2 certainly doesn't seem to).</blockquote>
Yep, shared interrupts work fine here:<tt><font size=-1></font></tt>
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CPU0</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 0:
6056129
XT-PIC timer</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 1:
38067
XT-PIC keyboard</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 2:
0 XT-PIC
cascade</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 5:
815593
XT-PIC EMU10K1</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 7:
0 XT-PIC
usb-ohci</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 9:
0 XT-PIC acpi</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 10:
601737
XT-PIC eth0, eth1</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 12:
1639195
XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 14:
67993
XT-PIC ide0</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1> 15:
3643
XT-PIC ide1</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1>NMI:
0</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=-1>ERR:
0</font></tt>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:41:56 +0000
From: Mart van de Wege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All this Whistler stuff.
Kevin Ford wrote:
> Mart van de Wege once wrote:
>
>
>> Nigel wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>>>> (and yeah I am posting this from windows, 'cause
>
>>>
>>>> my NIC refuses to work under linux. I do have an idea why not
>
>>>
>>>> though, and I may get it fixed soon)
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Try posting the make and model of your netcard (and any other
>
>>>
>
>>> relevant data) here and maybe you will get some help?
>
>>
<snip a lot of stuff>
>
> What kernel version are you trying to use?
Currently using 2.2.18, but I also tried it with teh stock 2.2.17
that came with my Debian distro.
Mart
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:52:51 -0500
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nik Simpson wrote:
>
> > For my mother, it was Word and shortly thereafter the Internet. And yes
I
> > know there are Word processors for LINUX, but she knows Word already and
> > people she has to exchange documents with also use Word so its easy.
>
> For my mother it was email and internet.
>
> Linux a perfect fit there.
Yeah, but who is going to set it all for her? Her PC came with Windows &
Office installed on it and I was able to get everything else she needed for
Internet access setup and running in 10 minutes while I was home one
weekend, I couldn't do the same for LINUX and that is true for many people
whether you want to deal with it or not.
>
> > My time is more expensive and I'll not consider LINUX until it doesn't
> > require me to spend time learning new applications and hunting around
> > various LINUX sites to find drivers for my hardware.
>
> This is all nonsense, either the hardware is supported or it isnt.
>
> The hardware support is in the kernel, right out of the box.
This for an OS that only got basic USB support recently and that according
to Nicholas Petreley's pro-LINUX InfoWorld column still doesn't support most
of the USB devices he owns! If you think LINUX supports anything close to
the range of hardware that Windows supports then you are fooling nobody but
yourself.
--
Nik Simpson
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:53:50 GMT
Raymond Patitucci wrote:
> I didnt write anything in this post originally, but I would like to
> explain why Linux is unfeasable as a workstation platform. There are no
> good wordprocessing, spreadsheet or database programs for linux.
There are many.
> Microsoft
> rules here.
Microsoft has a monopoly on file formats, to be sure.
They also have a huge head start in terms of desktop apps.
> Linux is essentially good at being a server and a programming
> platform to program C and JAVA.
Yes, it's very good for that.
> Thats it. Linux is a back end system and a
> cheap programming platform.
Well, that's not "it", I also prefer Linux as a workstation.
Much more stable than windows, and much nicer environment.
> Any company that writes software in C or JAVA
> would most likely use UNIX over LINUX.
Linux is a flavor of Unix - your statment makes no sense.
When you say 'Unix", you should make it clear what flavor
of "Unix" you mean. Solaris? HP-UX? AIX? Linux? BSDI?
> Also, the GUI's on LINUX suck.
Bizzare.
Can you tell me why Sun, HP-UX and AIX are going to ship
with the Linux GUI (gnome) in future releases?
> Microsoft has the best GUI. Microsoft has the better front end user
> interface than LINUX.
That's only your opinion.
I prefer the Unix desktop to the windows pc desktop.
Oh, and when I say Unix, I mean the flavor called Linux
> I dont think anything I said about LINUX can be said
> about UNIX.
Linux is a flavor of Unix, so your statement does no parse.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:54:58 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:45:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:18:19 GMT, Raymond Patitucci
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I didnt write anything in this post originally, but I would like to
>>explain why Linux is unfeasable as a workstation platform. There are no
>>good wordprocessing, spreadsheet or database programs for linux.
>
>You are vary much mistaken.
Key word here is "good"
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All this Whistler stuff.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:55:12 GMT
Todd wrote:
> Actually, a lot of the 'cool' stuff, (like changing quantums and file cache
> size dynamically) are done instantly and not even through the registry.
Please translate "quantums" from microsoft-speak to english
for the benefit of us poor newbies.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:56:07 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:46:30 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Yep, shared interrupts work fine here:
>
> CPU0
> 0: 6056129 XT-PIC timer
> 1: 38067 XT-PIC keyboard
> 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
> 5: 815593 XT-PIC EMU10K1
> 7: 0 XT-PIC usb-ohci
> 9: 0 XT-PIC acpi
> 10: 601737 XT-PIC eth0, eth1
> 12: 1639195 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
> 14: 67993 XT-PIC ide0
> 15: 3643 XT-PIC ide1
>NMI: 0
>ERR: 0
Who cares what you edited/cut/pasted to a newsgroup?
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:59:31 GMT
BTW exactly WHAT are you sharing here?
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:56:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:46:30 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Yep, shared interrupts work fine here:
>>
>> CPU0
>> 0: 6056129 XT-PIC timer
>> 1: 38067 XT-PIC keyboard
>> 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
>> 5: 815593 XT-PIC EMU10K1
>> 7: 0 XT-PIC usb-ohci
>> 9: 0 XT-PIC acpi
>> 10: 601737 XT-PIC eth0, eth1
>> 12: 1639195 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
>> 14: 67993 XT-PIC ide0
>> 15: 3643 XT-PIC ide1
>>NMI: 0
>>ERR: 0
>Who cares what you edited/cut/pasted to a newsgroup?
>
>
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:59:34 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Well, I switched to a Linux supported sound card.
>
> I also added a second network card.
>
> Windows 98 SE detected both, but had no drivers for them. I installed them
> later and everything was working fine.
>
> Linux detected the sound card but didn't actually appear to configure it. I
> ran sndconfig and heard a badly distorted sound sample.
It does play an old, poor quality voice recording IIRC.
There would be a midi keyboard sample in the next step.
> Strange! I started
> up X and KDE 2.0 launched with a pleasant startup sound. Hmm, so that works
> after all.
>
> Linux did not detect the second network card - does that mean that Linux
> 2.2 does not support two network cards or it simply doesn't recognise the
> card?
IIRC Linux supports up to 16 network cards.
That dlink card is probably not supported -
Spend US $10 and get a realtek 8139 10/100 PCI card.
jjs
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is fired.
Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:07:26 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
:>
:> > > I'm willing to bet that a lot of virus-writers have had access
:> > > to Windows code for YEARS
:> >
:> > Oh yeah, high school kids are so well known for keeping secrets.
:>
:> Open sand, insert head.
:>
:> Do you really think k1dd135 are the only people with an interest in other
:> people's systems?
: Did you even read the message? He said specifically "VIRUS WRITERS". As we
: all know, VIrus writers tend to be high school and college kids for the most
: part.
The kind of virii I worry about are the stealthy ones that target a
specific organization (probably from the inside), steal confidential
information, and then remove all traces of themselves long before
there's been any reasonable likelihood of detection.
I'm pretty sure I or any competent developer could write one that's
better than any that have been caught "in the wild." But then, it
never would get caught in the wild - it would disappear as soon as it
had finished doing its job.
No company that got bitten by such a critter would be likely to
publicly admit it, or report it to an antivirus vendor, so it's
anyone's guess how many worms and virii of this sort already have come
and gone, unnoticed by anyone other than those who profited in some
way from the stolen information.
Joe
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:10:24 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Yet I get hangs when I run X. Linux stops being 100% or 99% stable.
How bizzare!
If my workstation acted that way, I would be looking
for hardware problems, or looking for a new OS.
> When the mouse stops, XMMS stops playing music, when no keypresses work,
> when I can't kill X - I call that a hang.
Weird.
But then again, my experiences with mandrake left
me feeling it was a bit on the flaky side. I have seen
problems on Mandrake that don't exist on an equivalent
Red Hat system. Mandrake is pretty, but I'll take stability
anyday.
> Linux + X + KDE2.0 is a different story.
I have to admit, I haven't run kde much since starting with
helix gnome. I get the impression that KDE2 may still have
some bugs left.
Perhaps KDE 2.0.1 will be more stable.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:14:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:33:00 +0000, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Actually I switched to a sound card that sounds better than the one I had
> >and is supported by Linux.
>
> Now if Linux could only stay up long enough for you to use the card :)
Right on cue, the fud starts -
Now, for a touch of reality:
I've got a server room full of Linux boxes
that have been up hundreds of days, some
more than a year. I don't consider this in any
way remarkable, just the way it ought to be.
If Linux were anything like the bizzare caricatures
painted by these bozos, none of us would have
ever heard of Linux, let alone be using it.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:24:42 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>>>>> My first unfortunate experience of reading Tholen's pollution dates
>>>>> back to 1989.
>>>> Liar. My first reading of USENET postdates 1989.
>>> 1991 at the latest...
>> Liar. My first reading of USENET postdates 1991.
Note: no response.
>>> I distinctly remember coming across your endless stream of
>>> asinine bullshit BEFORE the Gulf War.
>> So much for your memory.
Note: no response.
>>> Muana Loa is calling you, Tholen.
>> Illogical, Kulkis.
Note: no response.
>>> The lava is so waaaaarm and cozy.
>> Be my guest, Kulkis.
> The preceding dodging, weaving, and outright lying
What alleged lying, Kulkis? Or were you referring to your own lying
about my postings?
> brough to you by Tholen's new commercial venture....Volcano Divers, Inc.....
Classic invective, as expected from someone who can't substantiate his
claims.
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From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:29:01 +1100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> WE DON"T GIVE 2 SHIT"S WHAT THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM IS!!
>
> We only care that there is a problem, and it should be fixed or we
> will move elsewhere in time.
Then wtf don't you leave BSoD city?
> As far as Windows users are concerned Linux is the CDROM they buy.
>
> If it hangs every time they run Netscape, then as far as they are
> concerned Linux sucks because Windows doesn't hang every time Netscape
> is run.
I haven't had NS hang in ages under Linux, and that half of my system is
becoming more and more frequently used (X has sorted itself out, now only
sound and my Canon N640P scanner aren't up. The rest of it is fine!)
Come to think of it, I haven't had *any* crashes under Linux for quite some
time.
--Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:25:40 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>>>>>> [nothing intelligent]
>>>>>> THOLEN!
>>>>>> JUST GO JUMP IN THE GODDAMNED VOLCANO, YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT!
>>>>> tholen is definitely mentally sick.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's been doing this since the early 90's.
>>>>> Perhaps earlier than that.
>>>> My first unfortunate experience of reading Tholen's pollution dates
>>>> back to 1989.
>>> This is incredible!
>> Yes, it is incredible that Kulkis would resort to lying.
Note: no response.
>>> This man has been mentally disturbed and on the internet pumping out
>>> this kind of crap for 12 years or more????
>> Not only are you erroneously presupposing that I am mentally disturbed,
>> you're also erroneously presupposing that Kulkis is telling the truth.
Note: no response.
>>> Why don't the authorities get him into a state hospital
>>> where he can be treated?
>> Why don't you call their attention to the alleged problem, Charlie?
>> Afraid doing so will say more about you than about me?
> Muana Loa is calling you, Tholen.
Incorrect, Kulkis, given that there is no such place.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:26:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <9516hv$hru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams wrote:
:>RMS has nothing to do with "Open Source,"
: [...]
:>he may have popularized, written, and supported a great deal of
:>it [OS Software]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I said FREE SOFTWARE, not "open-source software." There is a
difference, and that was my whole point.
: That doesn't sound like having "nothing to do with Open Source"
: to me.
See:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
The terms "free" and "open-source" share a lot of overlap - indeed all
software that is free in the sense of freedom/liberty is open-source,
by definition, and most open-source software is free as well - but
those who are a part of BOTH movements recognize that the difference
in terminology is important.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:27:00 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> Joe Malloy wrote:
>> Tholen, he tholes:
>>>> Why do you think I encourage the worhtless piece of shit to
>>>> develop and up-close and personal relationship with a local
>>>> source of free-flowing lava?
>>> Because you have no logical counterargument to offer.
>> You have not demonstrated that, Tholen.
>>> Invective is the usual fallback tactic for people like you.
>> Prove it, if you think you can, Tholen.
> Tholen is such a contemptable pus-bag.
How ironic.
> How much you wanna bet that the miserable shit-sack weighs over
> 400 pounds.
How much you got, Kulkis? Must be plenty, after all those job
changes, allegedly for more money.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:25:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <94snje$ekf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Finally, as for US politics, better bland/boring politics and a diverse
> >> and vibrant society than the reverse.
> >
> > I think we can all agree that what happened in florida during this past
> > election could be defined at the very least as a highly disorganized and
> > flawed state electoral system.
> >
> > A scary thought is that florida may just be the mean in this circumstance.
> >
> > Half the states may be worse than that.
> >
> > Ah, but "its the system, and its the only one we've got; we have to live
> > with it", in the words of half a dozen bush-supporting senators in the
> > face of the less-than landslide (and real) victory.
>
> What complacency! Yes the Florida vote was a joke. What I don't understand
> is why, when the difference between the candidates state wide was less than
> the margin of error of the machines counting the votes, a mandatory manual
> count of the whole state wasn't done. I'm only using this as an example as
To get certification as a voting device, the margin of error must be
LESS THAN 1 vote in 1,000,000.
Given the Florida vote totals (5,x00,000), the margin of error was 6 votes.
The recount was ordered because the POLITICAL margin of error is 1%, which
is 1,000 larger than the margin of error allowed to the punch-card tabulating
machines.
> I'm sure there were many states where this should have happened. You now
> have a president with very strong christian views (I use the term christian
> very loosely as where did Jesus ever say you should execute people) imposing
> them on a country where he doesn't even have a majority of those who voted.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:28:30 GMT
Marty writes:
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> You've been hiding in academia ever since you left mom and dad's house.
>> Why is that?
> You're presupposing that he's left "mom and dad's house".
One of his few correct presuppositions, Marty.
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From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:34:04 -0800
bs snipped once again, I sure that you can prove any of this? right?
Actually make linux useful for the masses, screw the gui; then lets see if
it will be stable!
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Has anyone noticed the new line of FUD from the Winvocates?
>
> "Linux is more stable, until you put a GUI on it."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:29:34 -0000
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:02:37 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> where has your reasoning been. I have been listening to Microsoft's speechs
>> since NT was first encarnated, and not once, have they ever achieved what
>> they wanted, that is, to be the almighty UNIX bashing OS.
>
>Who holds the #1 - #4 spots on the TPC.org TPC-C performance rankings?
>
>Thank you.
...by throwing together 100 toy servers together.
That's not going to really impress even those that are into
benchmarks. They're going to scratch beneath the surface and
realize that if they need SERIOUS rdbms server performance
that they're not going to get it from Windows-class hardware.
This isn't even addressing whether or not Windows would be
robust enough even if it were truely powerfull enough.
[deletia]
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Common Standards, Common Ownership.
The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
and anti-democratic monopolies.
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From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:32:51 +1100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Leave it sitting at the CLI and it will run forever. Leave it in the
> back room running a server using the CLI and it will run forever.
You are in fact conceding that anyone using a server should be using Linux,
and you're right!
--Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: C2
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:08:41 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 Jan 2001 19:18:15 -0600,
Jan Johanson, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >I believe NT is certified on several different hardware platforms,
>> >all of which are available to the average joe (mainly through
>> >Compaq). One could buy similar hardware to the boxes tested and,
>> >while not technically C2, you could obtain the level of security
>> >tested in the C2 certification because, as I stated before,
>> >the OS is the main focus of the certification.
>> >
>> >-Chad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> And as WE stated before. It's software and hardware.
>>
>> And now you finally admit it.
>>
>> That's a good boy.
>>
>
>Charlie - C2 applies to the OS - only. Period.
incorrect.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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