Linux-Advocacy Digest #876, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 20:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: My first day at LinuxWorld in New York City! ("SwingTrade")
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development? ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Re: Linux headache ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux headache ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again! (Karel Jansens)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:21:10 -0500
> al wrote:
>
> God, save us from an Open Source world the proponents of which are really
> nothing more than people who are too cheap to actually pay for a product
> that they receive benefit from.
>
> Why don't you all just go bootleg yourself into happiness and leave the
> rest of us alone.
We are, shit-head. It's assholes like YOU who are bothering us.
Now.....please....sit down.....and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>
>
> We are already starting to experience the nightmare that the current Open
> Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon us in the form of...
>
>
> 1. Small business buying into some form of Linux based upon a single
> employees experience and abilities (or purported abilities) and then
> everything falling apart when that person leaves the company - guess
> what, no docs, no standards, no references, no nothing! First step to
> recovery - find someone else to completely rebuild everything into their
> "vision" of what their "version" of Linux should be OR buy back into the
> industry standard world of Windows!
>
>
> Bottom line - tens of thousands of dollars literally wasted in manhours
> just to save a few dollars on the operating system(s).
>
As opposed tothe millions of dollars wasted in manhours maintaining
Microshaft platforms.
>
> Bottom line - tens of thousands of dollars wasted in re-converting back
> into the industry standard world just to save a few dollars on the
> operrating system(s).
>
Contrary to your misinformation, Linux and Unix BOTH comply to
industry standard.
Microsoft's data streams are PROPRIETARY, not standard.
Please find one IEEE specification to which, say, MS Word conforms.
>
> bottom line - all those who can' afford to re-convert back to the
> industry standard find themselves relying more and more on the old pen
> and paper business model since their "FREE" operating systems don't allow
> them to run the applications compatible with their vendors and
> customers....
Only if you're IT department is populated by shit-heads.
Of course, the catch there is...most MS-only IT departments
fit that description.
>
>
> bottom line - many now find themsleves starting down that slippery slope
> to financial ruin as they can no longer keep up with the competition -
> everyone is too busy trying to keep their computers running to actually
> get any work done...
Only if you're IT department is populated by shit-heads.
Of course, the catch there is...most MS-only IT departments
fit that description.
>
>
>
> And we still haven't seen the forthcoming problems with the virus issue
> in an "open source" environment - Hmm, who is going to write the
> antivirus code to deal with that virus that only effects a few
> compilations of the "open" operating system?
>
>
> Oh, and did anyone ever tell Mr. small business manager that he has to
> debug his own software? Well, since open source software is, well, open,
> who is going to deal with all the issues, problems and concerns that
> develop during
You really are delusional.
Mr. small businessman needs to do nothing more than report the bug
to whoever wrote the code, and then download the new executables.
>
> "compilation"? Hmm, so now we have Mr. Small Business person running his
> own little "beta" program.... Hmmm, doesn't sound very profitable to
> me.....
>
>
> But then, as with most things, time will tell.
>
>
> Personally I find it interesting that so many companies actually thoght
> they could make money selling something that was already available to
> everyone "free of charge".... but then, many of those companies had
> little trouble finding suckers... er, I mean, Investors....
>
>
> So I guess anything is possible in this world, perhaps I may even find
> someone who will buy that oceanfront Property in Arizona among "Open
> Source" proponents. Should be right up their alley.....
>
You are obviously a completely UN-educated fool who has absolutely
ZERO comprehension of...nearly anything.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "SwingTrade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: My first day at LinuxWorld in New York City!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:32:32 -0600
One comment mainly about Chilliware and the blonde... :
LOL !!
jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Today was the first day the exhibits were open!
> I was very impressed at how big the show was.
>
> In the morning it was quite dead, and it looked
> like no one was going to show up, but then I looked
> in the auditorium where the opening keynote was and
> found everyone there.
>
> I sat through IBM's presentation about Linux.
> Ironically, the night before the show, I had
> stayed up all night working on getting my new computers
> up and running on RedHat 7.0. I was so tired I kept dozing
> off during IBM's presentation. But between lapses
> of consciousness I managed to absorb some of what he
> said. It looks like the corporate world is finally
> understanding why Linux and open source is a strategic
> advantage over proprietary solutions.
>
> The guys who developed Samba got a reward check for
> $25,000.
>
> Linus showed up. I didn't know he was going to
> LinuxWorld!
>
> In the exhibit room, I noticed most companies were selling
> rack mounted computers, GUI or network performance
> analysis software for Linux. The only 2 things I found
> really interesting was Pocket Linux and etherboot.org.
> Linux was running on a Compaq handheld device.
> That was pretty neat. Etherboot.org had a way
> of using diskless clients, I had always wanted
> to setup my computers that way. At least I discovered
> something new. Other than that there didn't seem to
> be much exciting going on. But that's just the technical part.
>
> As for the fun part, there were a few notable things.
> There was a pseudo game show where two groups of people
> were answering silly questions about computing.
> A lot of people in the audience seemed to enjoy it.
> But I kept dozing off again.
>
> The highlight of the day was the Chilliware exhibit.
> I got some free popcorn and there was a very attractive
> woman with blonde hair dressed in all leather!
> She was pretty hot! I wonder if she was just a model
> or if she was a software engineer? I was so stunned
> that I can't even remember what Chilliware does. Oh
> well.
>
> Oh and I also saw Darby Mullany from CNBC there
> interviewing someone from VA Linux. How about that!
>
> All in all, it was an ok experience. But
> not exciting enough for me to go for the
> 2nd or 3rd day. I'm glad I discovered etherboot.org
> though, at least I can use that.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:27:41 -0500
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> Changing?
>
> your Linsux world is going pop right before yout little penguin eyes....
>
> Applixware RIP
> CorelLinux RIP
> StormLinux RIP
> (fill in the others I have missed)
>
> Who is next?
You forgot these favorites of the Microsoft world who've done, OH sooo
well.
Stack Industries -- RIP
GEM -- RIP
Wordstar -- RIP
VisiCalc -- RIP
Quattro Pro -- RIP
And the THOUSANDS of others....
As you were sayink?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:32:22 -0500
Flacco wrote:
>
> Continuing in a series of doomsday posts :-)
>
> Given the almost undeniable threat that open source poses to entrenched
> software providers, do you think the commercial market may try to dry up the
> open source talent pool by prohibiting employees from participating in it?
> Surely the case could be made that open source is a competitor in a given
> corp's market.
Sounds like Lesson One in that Business World classic:
"The most talented individuals, and how to repel them from your business"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:37:34 -0000
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:24:04 +1100, Bennetts family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers into
>> the home and to make them friendly and fun to use.
>
>Probably the only thing they have done to advance the world of computers
>(and full credit to them, they did get computers out into the home).
Woz did much more to achieve that than Microsoft did, as did
Phoenix and Compaq. Microsoft is just good at taking other
people's credit.
[deletia]
>> Take a good look at how boxy and shitty it looks.
>> Look at the skins, most of which are too dark to even read the
>> lettering.
>
Then go to WinAmp.com and download some better ones.
>Ever seen WinAmp, which is the thing XMMS clones off? Not particularly
>bright, either.
FreeAmp is much better in this respect. Themes aren't just a
color scheme, they change the whole look and feel of the
interface and get away from the crampedness which is the
Winamp style.
>
>> This is but a small example, but it clearly shows that Microsoft cares
>> about the user and putting some fun in computers.
No, they just the credit for others' ideas and you were
happy to give it to them...
>
>MP7 is distracting and a waste.
[deletia]
freeamp and gqmpeg can be just as distracting.
--
In general, Microsoft is in a position of EXTREME conflict of
interest being both primary supplier and primary competitor.
Their actions must be considered in that light. How some people
refuse to acknowledge this is confounding.
|||
/ | \
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:38:55 +0000
>>>> > Bye the way, has anyone who isn't a beardy geek (no insult
>>>> > intended) actually successfully re-compiled their kernel and got
>>>> > exactly the result they were looking for ???
>>>>
>>>> Sure, it's easy!
>>
>> My patients with people like you is running out. Nothing requires you
>> to recompile a Kernel. Just get the latest kernel package from your
>> distro.
>
> I don't know what I need your patience for. I didn't ask you for
> anything.
People blathering on about end users needing to compile kernels is trying
my patience.
> As for recompiling the kernel, why don't you ask the original poster
> why he has been trying to do it.
The origional poster was trolling. Read the post.
> I'm sure it didn't just pop into his
> mind spontaneously. Let me also quote Matt Welsh from the O'Reilly book
> ``Running Linux'': ``Rebuilding the kernel sounds like a pasttime for
> hackers, but it is an important skill for any system administrator.''
I disagree. Most distros provide kernel upgrade packages. You don't need
to recompile.
> Why do we need to rebuild the kernel? Because of a serious design flaw
> in Linux according to which device drivers were embedded directly into
> the kernel in a very sloppy and non-modular way.
Very few. very, very few.
> In the past few years
> there has been a move towards loadable device drivers, an idea which
> the rest of the world discovered sometime in the age of dinosaurs.
Most of the drivers are loadable.
> Remarkably, the issue is still being debated.
By who?
> You may have seen a much
> publicized letter from Eric Raymond to Linus Torvalds a few months ago
> in which Raymond ironically maintained that the only way Torvalds was
> able to maintain such a poorly designed kernel was that he was a
> `genius.'
For such a badly designed kernel, it's performance and portability is quite
remarkable.
>>>> 1. First, you download about 13 MBs of compressed source
>>>> code.
>>>> 2. Then you have to set about two hundred or so obscure parameters
>>>> to create an appropriate make file. You'll probably make the false
>>>> assumption the first time through that the defaults are appropriate.
>>
>> Things like: Enable support for sound (really obscure)
>
> I didn't say that all of the parameters are obscure,
Most of them have documentation, (except the experimantal ones).
> only about 200.
> Some of them, like support for sound, are pointless.
Eh? I, for one want to use my sound card. If I don't enable sound
support, it won't build the drivers for my card.
> Others are
> puzzling. Still others are troubling. And so on. They fall into
> various categories.
Most are well documented.
>>>> (Like the default: kernel hacking)
>>>> 3. Then you build.
>>>> 4. Then install the new kernel and rerun lilo.
>>>> 5. Then reboot and get a kernel panic.
>>
>> That's a plain lie.
>
> Do you mean to claim that you can't get a kernel panic by doing the
> above?
The above poster seemed to be claiming that a kernel panic was automatic.
This is a lie.
> That's just not so. You can, and it's not so hard in fact.
Never happened to me.
>>>> 8. You go through the two hundred or so parameters more carefully,
>>>> trying to figure out which ones were wrong.
>>>> ...
>>>> Trust me. After a few days, it finally will work.
>>
>> You're a fool. I'm not going to trust you because you are a liar. Mine
>> worked first time.
>
> I thought you said there was no reason to rebuild the kernel.
There's usually no need ot build the kernel. I decided to build one
partly for fun and partly because I have stopped using RedHats upgades,
so now I do them all by hand.
> Yours
> worked the `first time,' so I suppose you've done this more than once.
> Why?
Eh? If it worked first time, why should I have done it more than once.
>>>> By the way, all kidding aside, asking the end user to do bizarre
>>>> things like recompile the kernel,
>>
>> No, one does, fool.
>
> If no one does, what was it that worked for you the first time?
No one asks the end user to recompile the kernel. Systems administrators
can, end users can just upgrade by grabbing the latest package for their
distro.
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:36:30 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <957alt$95h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > It's formatting method is better than MS Word. The icons are obvious,
> > powerful, and well-placed. It saves in open formats. Sit is small,
> light,
> > efficient. IMO, it's actually one of the better word processers I have
> > used.
>
> I'm trying to remember which of KWord and AbiWord was the one that
> either had redraw problems or crashed a lot.
>
> > > I wouldn't rate Konqueror too highly either.
> >
> > Konqueror rocks for as young an application as it is. Way ahead of where
> > IE or Netscape were at similar phazes of development.
>
> And about 50% of the pages I visit don't work too well with it.
>
> > No limit? Not true. Both notepad and wordpad fall over and die well
> > before you get to 100 megs. This is a problem when you want to look at
> > logs. vi has no such limit AFAIK.
>
> Neither Notepad nor Wordpad use a virtual buffer like Programmers File
> Editor does.
>
> > > > terminal: rxvt dosterm - edge rxvt
> > >
> > > Windows don't need no terminal nor no CLI.
> >
> > bullshit. Try manipulating large logfiles or using a scripting language,
> > or even use the jdk without a shell.
>
> I'd use PFE for a large file.
>
> JDK insists on outputting stuff to the console - that's about the only
> reason why it needs a console. Otherwise the CLI can be ignored.
>
> > Paint Shop pro comes with windows? Does paint shop pro come with an api
> > that you can integrate into scripts to generate images on the fly? Does
> > PhotShop? The gimp is a programmer's image editor. It is one of the
> best
> > image editors ever made for that reason. Combine it with imageMagick and
> > its PerlMagick extensions and you have functionality that simply is not
> > matched on Windows.
>
> I found PSP had more features than GIMP. As for scripts, you place too
> much emphasis on their importance. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Pete, this is why you are such an utter FAILURE.
> ---
> Pete
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:41:29 +0000
In article <95809c$6sl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David Steinberg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert Morelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : I thought you said there was no reason to rebuild the kernel. Yours
> : worked the `first time,' so I suppose you've done this more than
> once.
> : Why?
>
> Perhaps he wanted to run a development kernel. Perhaps he wanted to
> patch in features that had not yet been merged into the main tree.
> Perhaps he wanted to minimize the size of the his kernel by excluding
> features that he knew he had no use for.
That's correct.
> Perhaps he wanted to
> statically compile in features that he knew he would be using.
My old kernel 2.0 didn't have good support for my CDRW. I decided to
upgrade to 2.2, since it had better support. I also wanted to have a
play around with new device files to see what they did.
>
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:39:12 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:17:21 GMT, meow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Well this is just great
> >I havent even had my Sony Vaio a week and the screens fucked
> >I installed Mandrake 7.2 and when asked to choose a monitor choosse lcd
> >that can do 1024x768 which worked fine initially but after a reboot it
> >trashed the screen which is now permament
> >Fortunately its new and under warranty so ill get a new machine from
> >them.
> >This isnt the first time this has happened to me. Linux also fucked up a
> >monitor i had a few years back too.
> >THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
> >THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> >iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> >MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
> >Im a very experienced computer user and a program of 15 years so im not
> >some hopeless newbie that can barely switch on there machine.
> >
> >mr angry
>
> mr angry,
>
> There is no way that a software setting can damage an LCD screen.
> (The story is different with a CRT because if you run it at too high a
> refresh-rate, it can actually burn out). LCD screens are notorious
> for developing "dead spots" and other anomalies; it's endemic to the
> thin-film process. It's happened on three of the four laptops I've
> owned, and in no case was it caused by software. (That's why I quit
> buying anything other than Stinkpads -- say what you want about IBM's
> machines, they have consistently good LCD screens.)
Actually, IBM has always had reliable hardware.
It's their software which has traditionally sucked vomit.
>
> If you have actually been in the business for 15 years, you should
> know this. Don't blame Linux for the failure of your screen.
>
> quux111
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again!
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:38:36 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What exactly did IBM incorporate into OS/2 from OD? Not very much. OD
> 2.0 came out in 1998 didn't it? After Warp 4. And Most people agree
> that OS/2 died with Warp 4 back in 1996. If there are some hot selling
> OS/2 products available today, I'm not aware of any.
>
Object Desktop appeared shortly after Warp 3. Version 2.0 came out
because StarDock had more or less committed itself to releasing it
(1.5 being a very buggy beast). OS/2 "died" as a desktop contender,
but it still is very much in maintainance mode (version 4.5 has been
released recently) and it is now reappearing as Serenety Systems'
eComStation (warp 4.5 + new installation tools + Lotus SmartSuite +
nifty network thingies). I don't know if eComStation is "hot", but it
sure seems to radiate.
> > Personally, I'm inclined to think that an end user only wants so much
> > tweaking possibilities. Once a large enough subset is available out of
> > the package, any further development is considered eye-candy. What the
> > threshold is between "I'll buy that" and "Nah. Don't need it" is
> > basically called marketing <G>.
> >
>
> It's all based on percentages. Look at skinz.org, it's now rated as
> being in the top 3000 websites in the world. It's dedicated to
> providing "skins" to users who want to "tweak" their OS. Clearly there
> are a lot of people who want to "tweak" their OS.
>
> Not to mention, calling Object Desktop a tweak package is like calling
> MS Office a text editor.
>
That's not very nice to all the text editors out there...
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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