Linux-Advocacy Digest #877, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 20:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux headache (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux headache ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LinuxWorld Trip Report (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill knows what's best for you ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Microsoft vs Reality ("mmnnoo")
Re: LOL now the BIND story hits mainstream News ("David Dorward")
Re: LOL now the BIND story hits mainstream News ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development? ("Robert
Morelli")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it (Giuliano
Colla)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING (.)
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon us
("David Dorward")
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (.)
Re: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development? (Charlie
Ebert)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:43:40 GMT
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:22:28 -0600, Robert Morelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for recompiling the kernel, why don't you ask the original poster
> why he has been trying to do it. I'm sure it didn't just pop into his
> mind spontaneously.
In comp.os.linux.advocacy? Surely you jest. Half of the people who
post here are just trolls who come up with all sorts of obscure problems
to "prove" that one system or the other "sucks".
> Why do we need to rebuild the kernel? Because of a serious design
> flaw in Linux according to which device drivers were embedded directly
> into the kernel in a very sloppy and non-modular way.
What? Nearly all device drivers are loadable modules in all modern
distributions. The ones that aren't modules are compiled into the
default kernel in those distributions.
> Remarkably, the issue is still being debated. You may have seen a
> much publicized letter from Eric Raymond to Linus Torvalds a few
> months ago in which Raymond ironically maintained that the only way
> Torvalds was able to maintain such a poorly designed kernel was that
> he was a `genius.'
If you're referring to the "curse of the gifted" rant, that's not even
close to what he said. The subject was Linus' non-use of version
control software (e.g. Bitkeeper, CVS, PVCS, etc), not the design of the
kernel.
> Do you mean to claim that you can't get a kernel panic by doing the
> above? That's just not so. You can, and it's not so hard in fact.
Yes, you can get a kernel panic by building a kernel with bad
parameters. The same ESR you mentioned above is working on a better
build system to help prevent this, but in the meantime you actually
don't need to rebuild the kernel if you don't want to. The so-called
"average user" won't have any reason to do that with modern distros.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:42:44 -0500
Hans Adams wrote:
>
> David Steinberg wrote:
> >
> > You mention that there are better-designed, more modular kernels out
> > there. Please explain how they would allow him to do any of these things
> > without recompiling. More to the point, please explain how such
> > activities would be possible at all with a kernel for which no source code
> > is available.
> >
>
> Just speaking for myself, not any --- even honest --- company.
>
> Dear David,
>
> more modern concepts have been thought and implemented.
>
> Nearly almost they rely on a micro kernel. This approach allows you to
> start and stop services, includig such dealing with hardware, without
> rebooting or even touching kernel address space.
>
> Microsoft did so to implement NT, though they have to reboot to
> integrate services into the kernel.
>
> Sun Micro Systems bought Chorus, France, to get hands onto a really
> distributed, microkernel-based OS, Chorus on MIX.
>
> Best of all, this appraoch is available on Linux. Apple used it to build
> MK-Linux. A Linux kernel 2.0.3x based on L4 has been proposed and
> implemented by Gernot Heisser et. al. .
>
> Linux Torvald has not yet allowed to incorporate this modern approach
> into the main streammof Linux development, though it is getting really
> urgent meanwhile....
Primarily because micro-kernels are counter-productive to performance.
EVERYTHING has trade-offs...including Micro-kernels.
>
> > --
> > David Steinberg -o)
> > Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
>
> Indeed, you should proceed studying... best, Hans Adams
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: LinuxWorld Trip Report
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:43:41 GMT
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:41:37 -0500, Sponge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well I wasted today watching the Geek in his native environment.
Hey, Sponge is back. About damn time. I was getting bored with making
fun of Chad. How's Amy?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:45:07 -0500
Mike Martinet wrote:
>
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> >
> > (I just can't see my Microsoft-using friends being all very happy
> > about paying software rentals or only being able to install software
> > on one cpu/harddisk combination; in fact they are all quite upset over
> > that possibility.)
> >
>
> This is one thing that just thrills me. I can't wait to see the fallout
> if they actually try this. It would be supremely ironic if MS were to
> kill themselves with something as greedy as subscription software.
>
> Bing!
> _______________________________________
> |-------------------------------------X
> |-------------------------------------|
> | You haven't paid your monthly dues. |
> | Your computer will not operate |
> | until you call 1-800-MSPAYUP and |
> | submit a valid credit-card number. |
> | |
> |-------------------------------------|
> Oh yeah!!!
>
> (I don't have much respect for MS the company, but I use quite a few of
> their products. I feel that as a front-end, W9x/NT/2k, whatever, is a
> known - i.e., most people know how to use it. I practice what I
> preach. I run a Linux machine as the all-around server for my home
> net, and I use Windows on the front end to manipulate/look at stuff.
> The combination works quite well.)
>
> If I am forced to pay for separate licenses for each of my winboxes,
> even though I can only use one at a time, there's gonna be a lot more
> KDE around here!
>
> God, and can you imagine the money you could make just setting up Linux
> for people who're screaming mad at MS? Yahoo! Bring it, Billy!
>
> MjM
Considering that Gates has run Microsoft on a business model which
resembles that of your typical organized crime syndicate, why does
it surprise you that future actions of Microsoft will also be rather
similar to how organized crime operates once it gains unchallenged
control of an area.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bill knows what's best for you
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:47:22 -0500
Joel Barnett wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 05:34:20 GMT, Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:09:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:03 -0800, Joel Barnett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >>>news:957im4$c55$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>>> In article <YNGd6.463$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > "Trebor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >>>> > news:YkEd6.29287$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>>> >> Install the Windows Media Player version 7.00.00.1958 update on
> Windows
> > >>>> > 2000
> > >>>> >> and, when the install is finished, your machine will be rebooted
> by the
> > >>>> >> installer program .. WITHOUT giving you an option to reboot now or
> > >>>> >> reboot later. Isn't that wonderful?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > This isn't true. When it gets to the last screen, it says it's
> > >>>> > finished, and tells you specifically that clicking next will reboot
> the
> > >>>> > computer. All you have to do is click cancel at this point to
> abort it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yeah! Windows is so intuitive!
> > >>>
> > >>>Yeah, like in Linux where if you want a GUI to start on bootup you edit
> > >>>/etc/inittab and change the run level to 5.
> > >>
> > >> ...or you just click a checkbox when you configure the GUI
> > >> subsystem or the install OS...
> > >
> > >It is not difficult at all to change the run level, once you know how.
> >
> > Except the examples I cited DON'T REQUIRE KNOWLEDGE OF RUNLEVELS.
> >
> > >But the same goes for choosing 'reboot no' or 'cancel' at the end of a
> > >Windows software install. Nothing is intuitive that you don't know how
> > >to do, whether it's Linux, Windows, or rebuilding an automobile
> >
> > Clicking "start the GUI automatically" is not something that
> > requires a tremendous amount of research into arcana. At worst
> > it requires some very abstract and general information about
> > how Unix works (namely that the GUI is infact optional).
>
> No more intuitive than figuring out that if you select 'cancel' rather than
> 'reboot now' that the machine won't reboot immediately.
>
> >
> > >engine.
> >
> > It's quite dishonest to compare such a thing to "rebuilding
> > and automobile engine". Even comparing direct manipulation
> > of inittab to automotive mechanics is a bit of a stretch.
>
> OK, but intuition usually comes with familiarity and that's true with Linux,
Translation: NOTHING about computers is truly "intuitive"
> Windows , Mac OS, etc. Mac users often site how intuitive and easy to work
> with the Mac os is compared to Windows. For me it's the opposite. Why ?
> Because I've spent a lot more time with Windows than with Mac OS.
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
> >
> > That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> > |||
> > / | \
>
> jbarntt
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft vs Reality
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:53:16 GMT
Microsoft is the best example of a company that both a) thinks it's
protecting itself by by not revealing information, and which b) conceals
information under the assumption that it will simply confuse all of their
ignorant customers.
Microsoft's help and troubleshooting services are based on these two
premises. Unfortunately, all companies have these tendencies because
avoiding blame and appealing to the lowest common denominator are
usually good for the company.
By contrast, the honesty and openness of open-source software sharply
reveal the phony veneer so carefully applied to commercial software (and
all other commercial products). It may never be the case that all
software is free, but there is enough out there to whet one's appetite
for reality.
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From: "David Dorward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOL now the BIND story hits mainstream News
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:47:23 +0000
It seems that on <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] put fingers to keyboard and produced this:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1142000/1142572.stm
>
> Linux - lol, dead before the general public even knew about it...sure,
> big in geek circles, but to joe soap? HA!
The BBC is pretty good at producing security related items, and its not as
if patches are not available. If it was a Windows vunerability we would
probably still be six months from a fix with MS claiming that it isn't a
problem.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOL now the BIND story hits mainstream News
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:54:49 -0500
al wrote:
>
> BIND doesn't run on Windows but Unix and it's clone Linux. If it run on
> Windows, it wouldn't have security holes.
No..instead, it would ***BE** a security hole....
just like every other fucking thing that runs ond LoseDOS is a security
hole,
because LoseDOS is a security hole in it's own right.
>
> "Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:959oc8$qg6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "--== wrote:
> >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1142000/1142572.stm
> > >
> > > Linux - lol, dead before the general public even knew about it...sure,
> big
> > > in geek circles, but to joe soap? HA!
> >
> > Now i wonder.. did that article mention Linux? Nope.. it mentioned BIND...
> > "the most important program" for the Internet.
> >
> > BIND runs on Windows... maybe we should post in windows newsgropups..
> > "Warning! security hole found in Windows software" :-)
> >
> > Is it just me or is the quality of wintrolls decreasing rapidly?
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:00:14 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> It is a daming that Aaron Kulkis gave me a more polite answer than you
>> could muster. I have not seed this message
>
> Not sure what you were driving at with your last statement, but no harm
> was intended.
Typo.
I have not SEEN this message.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:39:08 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Flacco"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Continuing in a series of doomsday posts :-)
>
> Given the almost undeniable threat that open source poses to entrenched
> software providers, do you think the commercial market may try to dry up
> the open source talent pool by prohibiting employees from participating
> in it? Surely the case could be made that open source is a competitor in
> a given corp's market.
This is a completely implausible scenario. Only a small fraction of
software is actually written for commercial redistribution. Of the
commercial publishers, I would venture to say that those who
would consider such a draconian measure, would number ...
perhaps 1. The question is, does MS have a big enough stick to
beat back the tide? I don't think so. Just look what happened with
Java. While the rest of the world embraced Java, MS fought it,
and look where it got them.
The real problem here is that too many people in the Linux community
still have this rinky dink underdog mentality: since OSS is a threat to
them, they will hunt us down. Spinning bizarre doomsday scenarios
will get us nowhere. If you run from a beast, he chases you, and sooner
or later he catches you. The Linux community has to face the beast
and subdue it.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:00:53 +0000
In article <2I_d6.5042$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marty writes:
>
>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> It has now moved on from that.
>
>>>>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
>>>>>>>> Malloy like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy is
>>>>>>>> still posting his ridiculous responses like he was at the
>>>>>>>> beginning of the thread. He hasn't moved on.
>
>>>>>>> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since joined
>>>>>>> in, which means that some parts of the situation have changed.
>
>>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring Tholen,
>>>>>> and have been for over a month. Dave is still posting his
>>>>>> ridiculous response like he had in other threads. He hasn't moved
>>>>>> on.
>
>>>>> Who is Dave?
>
>>>> Haven't you been paying attention?
>
>>> I thought I had, but I mus have missed the relavent post.
>>>
>>> Who is dave?
>
>> More evidence of your reading comprehension problems. Dave is none
>> other than Tholen.
>
> On what basis do you make that claim, Marty?
Tholen, are you Dave?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:02:59 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Except for the small issue that Windows NT is still in place, while you
> > > > linzealots insist that Linux can replace Windows on the desktop. It can't,
> > > > sadly, dolts like Kulkis (who would sooner lob off his left testicle then
> > > > admit to a UNIX based anything having anything less than total perfection)
> > >
> > > Unix has several legitimate faults.
> > >
> > > However, Kyle Jacobs has yet to identify any of them.
> >
> > He's probably still trying to come up with Schrodinger's equation.
> >
>
> +---------------------------------------+
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | X |
> | |
> | You are here |
> | (more ore less) |
> | |
> +---------------------------------------+
>
> Map at the Heisenberg Institute
>
LOL! That's one of the best graphic representation of Schroedinger's
equations I've ever seen!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: 1 Feb 2001 01:06:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers into
> the home and to make them friendly and fun to use.
Apple did more. It cannot be denied that MacOS is easier to use
than windows, and much easier to learn.
> Linux on the other hand seems to want to turn the clock back on
> computing and put us back in the early 1990's again.
I'll just email IBM, Bell Labs, Caltech and the NSA and let them know.
=====.
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From: "David Dorward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon
us
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:55:37 +0000
It seems that on <3a783a41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
put fingers to keyboard and produced this:
> Bottom line - tens of thousands of dollars literally wasted in manhours
> just to save a few dollars on the operating system(s).
How much is saved by not having machines that frequently fall over?
> bottom line - all those who can' afford to re-convert back to the
> industry standard find themselves relying more and more on the old pen
> and paper business model since their "FREE" operating systems don't
> allow them to run the applications compatible with their vendors and
> customers....
The only time I have ever had problems reading files under Linux was
before I got my hands on Star Office, and that was only becuase I was too
lazy to download it.
> bottom line - many now find themsleves starting down that slippery
slope
How many bottom lines can you have a single post?
> to financial ruin as they can no longer keep up with the competition -
> everyone is too busy trying to keep their computers running to actually
> get any work done...
Sounds like Windows to me.
> And we still haven't seen the forthcoming problems with the virus issue
> in an "open source" environment - Hmm, who is going to write the
> antivirus code to deal with that virus that only effects a few
> compilations of the "open" operating system?
Who is going to write that virus? And why wouldn't the end user get the
free upgrade that eliminates the vunerability?
> Oh, and did anyone ever tell Mr. small business manager that he has to
> debug his own software? Well, since open source software is, well, open,
> who is going to deal with all the issues, problems and concerns that
> develop during
> "compilation"? Hmm, so now we have Mr. Small Business person running his
> own little "beta" program.... Hmmm, doesn't sound very profitable to
> me.....
If you have a problem with compilation use a package based system, deb is
very nice, and rpm is quite useable.
> Personally I find it interesting that so many companies actually thoght
> they could make money selling something that was already available to
> everyone "free of charge".... but then, many of those companies had
> little trouble finding suckers... er, I mean, Investors....
Humm. Paper manuals and dedicated support are not available free of
charge.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Date: 1 Feb 2001 01:07:44 GMT
Adam Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "MS Exec: Linux is Going Down"
> http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html
Hmmm...youd almost think that microsoft felt threatened.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:08:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Flacco wrote:
>Continuing in a series of doomsday posts :-)
>
>Given the almost undeniable threat that open source poses to entrenched
>software providers, do you think the commercial market may try to dry up the
>open source talent pool by prohibiting employees from participating in it?
>Surely the case could be made that open source is a competitor in a given
>corp's market.
>
There actually used to be such agreements.
But when Linux took the server market and embedded markets by
storm, companies started using GNU/Linux in quantity and it
became impracticle for these agreements so GPL exclusions
have been incorporated when approved for migration of
former copyrighted software to a GPL licensed environment
and software already naturalized under GPL licenses
can be developed without approval.
Companies are *VERY* interested in the GPL license as they
actually get back what they put in. It's very practical.
Charlie
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