Linux-Advocacy Digest #931, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 09:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:28:18 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:39:40 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> "." wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> > > Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers
> into
> > >> > > the home and to make them friendly and fun to use.
> > >> >
> > >> > Apple did more. It cannot be denied that MacOS is easier to use
> > >> > than windows, and much easier to learn.
> > >>
> > >> I disagree. I have stated over and over, easier to learn and easier to
> use
> > >are
> > >> different things.
> > >>
> > >> The Mac (and Windows) are very hard to use. You have to do many
> repetitive
> > >> steps, you have to learn a whole new language of pictures. Where as a
> > >command
> > >> line system uses language skills which we humans have developed over
> eons,
> > >in
> > >> favor of the pictographic expressions for the purpose of
> simplification.
> > >No one
> > >> argues that a graphic system is well suited for graphic applications,
> but
> > >> logical tasks require words not mice.
> > >
> > >False, we have writing for only couple of thousands years, we have eyes
> for
> > >*much* longer. (Try couple of hundreds of millions of years)
> >
> > We've been seeing for much longer, not using hieroglyphs for
> > much longer. Also notice the trends in language developments
> > as civilization advances: from many complex pictographs to a
> > small set of more fundemental primitives that are then combined
> > to form the visual representation of a word or concept.
>
> Actually, hieroglyphs predate writing as we know it by several thousands
> years.
And then ABANDONED for alphabets.
Egyptian hyroglyphs eventually became the basis for syllabic symbols
(based upon widely-used hyroglyphs and the corresponding phonetic),
which were then used by other cultures as the basis of alphabetic
writing systems.
Name ONE advanced society writing exclusively in heiroglyphs and/or
ideograms.
(and no, China does NOT count...98% of the population is uneducated as all
get out (other than how to recognize the late Chairman Mao's portrait)).
> But icons *aren't* hyroglyphs.
>
> > >We can understand pictures much better than text.
> >
> > Pictures require context, much more so than text does.
> > Also, a few words can be remarkably more expessive and
> > (more importantly) PRECISE than any pictogram.
>
> So why won't we change all the traffic signs to words? It would be much more
> "PRECISE" than icons.
>
> > >And it isn't as if CLI shows you all the commands (unless you tell it
> to),
> > >you've to *remember* them.
> >
> > Big deal. Then you tell it to show them to you.
>
> You don't need to in GUI, it's much easier to find something in GUI than on
> text, because your eyes can scan a picture much more easily than text.
>
> > >That is a big minus, in GUI, you *see* what is going on.
> >
> > You have as much negative feedback in CLI shells too. What
> > GUI's do is castrate the interface so that there are less
> > ways for you to make a mistake. Although there are still
> > plenty left for the novice.
>
> No, what the GUI does is to present you with Graphical UI.
> Apperantely, you're on a Unix, I'm not sure if you've Midnight Commander
> there, but if you do, fire it up, and take a look at it.
> It's a text based GUI, adding some of its capacities to file browsers would
> be more than nice.
> The GUI make it easier to do stuff, it's much faster to recognize a
> printer's icon as Print, than read "print".
>
> > >> For most people, the GUI is simply how applications are launched, and
> > >> directories (folders) are managed.
> > >>
> > >> Almost every single OS on the market supports this capability.
> > >>
> > >> Once in applications, most people have to memorize pictures for
> functions,
> > >and
> > >> if possible turn of the pictures, and revert to words. In the next
> version
> > >of
> > >> the application, the pictures change confusing the users. This is not
> easy
> > >to
> > >> use, hell it isn't easy to "relearn."
> > >
> > >That is why it's so important to have uniform look in application.
> > >Take a look on *any* book about designing application, get to the part
> where
> > >it talk about UI, you will find that consistency is a large part of that.
> >
> > That only demonstrates that academics in a particular discipline
> > think alike. If you were to go over to the industrial engineering
> > department, you might get a different perspective.
>
> Really? Why does industrial engineering support inconsistent behaviour?
> We expect consistent behaviour from tools because the world around us is
> consistent.
> What would happen if you throw something up and it didn't come down? Or you
> placed a ball on the dashboard, and when you took a turn, it rolled on the
> direction of the turn?
> We can deal with inconsistent interfaces because the world is consistent
> only up to a point.
> There is absolutely no reason to support inconsistent behaviour.
>
> > >And consistency with the OS' look is another part.
> > >That is why I don't really like Linux's GUI, and why Java programming is
> not
> >
> > All the current linux GUI's have style guides. So you can keep
> > yourself in a single interface ghetto if you really want.
>
> Really? That is news to me.
>
> > OTOH, a computer is not a single tool but a collection of them.
> > It's silly to think that the whole range of computer users and
> > computer uses should be constrained by a neurotic obsession with
> > conformity.
>
> Over 90% of the applications produced for Windows & Mac use the default
> interfaces. For a reason.
> Users don't like to learn something different everytime they use another
> application.
>
> > This notion can severely stifle the end user. That is the whole
> > reason why alternatives sprang up to begin with. Not everyone
> > agrees with the Ivory Tower.
>
> No, the notion of every program using a different interface is foolish, its
> making the user do needless extra work.
> please take a look at "Interface Hall of Shame" and read some of the reviews
> about the importance of the UI.
>
> > HELL, the end users didn't even agree with you.
> >
> > >a favoraite of mine. (Java won't let you access directly to the API that
> > >create windows & textboxes and all the rest, you can rely on Java's own
> APIs
> > >(make your application look consistly ugly on all platforms) or use JNI
> and
> > >lose the platform-idependent.)
> >
> > What happened to "foolish consistency"? Java is enforcing a
> > "one true interface" here. You should be happy for them. They
> > are starting to "quell the chaos".
>
> The Java interface is only consistent within itself, it doesn't comply with
> the standard of any OS.
> If Sun knew what they were doing, they would supply some APIs that would
> call to the OS native interface.
>
> > >> Like lemmings, people are convinced that GUI environments are easier.
> > >There is
> > >> no changing this, unfortunately, but we as thinking people need not
> accept
> > >the
> > >> status quo as truth if we observe differently. That, in fact, may be
> the
> > >first
> > >> step.
> > >
> > >Wrong, please point me to *one* study that claim that CLI is better than
> GUI
> > >in ease-of-use for day-to-day tasks.
> >
> > Who's day?
>
> Any day, email, browsing, word proccessing, spread-sheets, games, basically,
> 99% of what the average user does with the computer.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:32:46 -0500
ono wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:21:57 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:39:40 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> "." wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> >> > > Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers
> > [deletia]
> > >> >
> > >> >False, we have writing for only couple of thousands years, we have
> eyes
> > >for
> > >> >*much* longer. (Try couple of hundreds of millions of years)
> > >>
> > >> We've been seeing for much longer, not using hieroglyphs for
> > >> much longer. Also notice the trends in language developments
> > >> as civilization advances: from many complex pictographs to a
> > >> small set of more fundemental primitives that are then combined
> > >> to form the visual representation of a word or concept.
> > >
> > >Actually, hieroglyphs predate writing as we know it by several thousands
> > >years.
> >
> > IOW, not very long...
> >
> > A few thousand years is the blink of an eye in biological terms.
> >
> > >But icons *aren't* hyroglyphs.
> >
> > True. Heiroglyphs and other pictorial 'alphabets' often are
> > built up from lower level primitives. Heiroglyphs are actually
> > MORE advanced than icons.
> >
> > Icons rate right down there with cave man paintings in terms
> > of sophistication.
> >
> > >
> > >> >We can understand pictures much better than text.
> > >>
> > >> Pictures require context, much more so than text does.
> > >> Also, a few words can be remarkably more expessive and
> > >> (more importantly) PRECISE than any pictogram.
> > >
> > >So why won't we change all the traffic signs to words? It would be much
> more
> > >"PRECISE" than icons.
> >
> > You mean like "STOP" and "Construction Ahead".
> >
> > Also, those are a small set of well defined symbols.
> > Furthermore, one is required to demonstrated proficiency
> > with those symbols before you are even allowed to be
> > designated a "student" driver.
> >
> > This example undermines your position actually.
> >
> > Have you ever actually gone to a foreign country and tried
> > to make sense of their "iconic" traffic signs?
>
> Have you? I think it's a lot easier to guess an icon then to learn a foreign
> language. You probably thought that scottland was a foreign country ;-).
That argument is valid ONLY if foreign languages were the ONLY thing
available for the computer user.
I'm pretty sure that the word "edit" is part of the very same English
language which I am writing in every day.
Similar for any other user.
Simple massive application of sed scripts and shell-scripts can
rename EVERY command and file (including references within source
code and shell scripts) on a computer to any language on the face
of the earth.
>
> >
> > >
> > >> >And it isn't as if CLI shows you all the commands (unless you tell it
> > >to),
> > >> >you've to *remember* them.
> > >>
> > >> Big deal. Then you tell it to show them to you.
> > >
> > >You don't need to in GUI, it's much easier to find something in GUI than
> on
> > >text, because your eyes can scan a picture much more easily than text.
> >
> > Nope. You need to think about the pictures more. More mental
> > processing and thought is required to manipulate the interface.
> >
> > Just imagine if you favorite file manager had NO TEXT WHATSOEVER.
> >
> > YOU would be lost.
> >
> > >
> > >> >That is a big minus, in GUI, you *see* what is going on.
> > >>
> > >> You have as much negative feedback in CLI shells too. What
> > >> GUI's do is castrate the interface so that there are less
> > >> ways for you to make a mistake. Although there are still
> > >> plenty left for the novice.
> > >
> > >No, what the GUI does is to present you with Graphical UI.
> > >Apperantely, you're on a Unix, I'm not sure if you've Midnight Commander
> >
> > I started on GEM actually. I've been using GUI's since
> > long before it came in vogue to do so. This includes
> > 80's versions of X as well as System 6.
> >
> > >there, but if you do, fire it up, and take a look at it.
> > >It's a text based GUI, adding some of its capacities to file browsers
> would
> > >be more than nice.
> > >The GUI make it easier to do stuff, it's much faster to recognize a
> > >printer's icon as Print, than read "print".
> >
> > ...assuming that the icon ends up looking like what the end
> > user thinks a printer should look like. OTOH, "PRINT" doesn't
> > require any guessing.
> >
> > I guess that's why most GUI's these days print in that manner
> >
> > >
> > >> >> For most people, the GUI is simply how applications are launched,
> and
> > >> >> directories (folders) are managed.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Almost every single OS on the market supports this capability.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Once in applications, most people have to memorize pictures for
> > >functions,
> > >> >and
> > >> >> if possible turn of the pictures, and revert to words. In the next
> > >version
> > >> >of
> > >> >> the application, the pictures change confusing the users. This is
> not
> > >easy
> > >> >to
> > >> >> use, hell it isn't easy to "relearn."
> > >> >
> > >> >That is why it's so important to have uniform look in application.
> > >> >Take a look on *any* book about designing application, get to the part
> > >where
> > >> >it talk about UI, you will find that consistency is a large part of
> that.
> > >>
> > >> That only demonstrates that academics in a particular discipline
> > >> think alike. If you were to go over to the industrial engineering
> > >> department, you might get a different perspective.
> > >
> > >Really? Why does industrial engineering support inconsistent behaviour?
> > >We expect consistent behaviour from tools because the world around us is
> > >consistent.
> >
> > You must have a very rudimentary experience with tools.
> >
> > Real tools are quite often quite distinct from task to
> > task. I'm sure some of the weekend mechanics around here
> > could give you an earful.
> >
> > >What would happen if you throw something up and it didn't come down? Or
> you
> > >placed a ball on the dashboard, and when you took a turn, it rolled on
> the
> > >direction of the turn?
> >
> > I'm not quite sure what you think fundemental physical laws have
> > to do with the fact that distinct tasks usually require distinct
> > techniques.
> >
> > >We can deal with inconsistent interfaces because the world is consistent
> > >only up to a point.
> > >There is absolutely no reason to support inconsistent behaviour.
> >
> > Sure there is. REAL professionals require it. Thus my notion
> > of a "workstation" versus a "desktop". Some people actually
> > do real work with their machines. This could be drafting,
> > art authoring or CPU design. They need the tools that will
> > improve their efficiency, not make a drooling moron feel more
> > comfortable picking up a copy of Maya or AutoCADD.
> >
> > Alternately, one simply might have a different idea of what
> > contitutes the "right way" of doing mundane things. Such
> > people should not be put out by facist little twits such
> > as yourself.
> >
> > OTOH, conventions do exist for those that really might need them.
> >
> > However, the existence of Liberty does not mean that there does
> > not exist any safe havens for those that insist upon foolish
> > consistency.
> >
> > >
> > >> >And consistency with the OS' look is another part.
> > >> >That is why I don't really like Linux's GUI, and why Java programming
> is
> > >not
> > >>
> > >> All the current linux GUI's have style guides. So you can keep
> > >> yourself in a single interface ghetto if you really want.
> > >
> > >Really? That is news to me.
> >
> > Obviously. You are merely speaking out your ass
> > and spreading misinformation.
> >
> > >
> > >> OTOH, a computer is not a single tool but a collection of them.
> > >> It's silly to think that the whole range of computer users and
> > >> computer uses should be constrained by a neurotic obsession with
> > >> conformity.
> > >
> > >Over 90% of the applications produced for Windows & Mac use the default
> > >interfaces. For a reason.
> > >Users don't like to learn something different everytime they use another
> > >application.
> > >
> >
> > So?
> >
> > Just how many applications do you use?
> >
> > [deletia]
> >
> > BTW, my default editor has survived more than 3 interface
> > changes on the part of Microsoft and at least 2 on the
> > part of apple.
> >
> > My newsreader doesn't have it's own editor. Nor does my
> > email reader. So, my enviroment is remarkably more
> > consistent than yours even despite the fact that my editor
> > and my spreadsheet use remarkably different interfaces.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I've likely learned less interfaces while using
> > more applications than your typical mythic end user.
> >
> > I DON'T WANT to use your idea of an editor. I don't want it
> > imposed on me because you can't deal with diversity.
> >
> > You don't even want to know what my response would be to
> > you subjecting me to the "one true interface" in a newsreader...
> >
> >
> > Figuring out which of the other 4 drop down menus to look into
> > for the "print" menu is not something that should be an unbearable
> > inconvenience for anyone out of kindergarten, PERIOD.
> >
> > --
> >
> > >> Yes. And the mailer should never hand off directly to a program
> > >> that allows the content to take control.
> > >
> > >Well most mailers can, so I guess they all suck too.
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > Candy from strangers should be treated as such.
> > |||
> > / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:35:03 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > rpm -qa | grep kde
>
> How about the about boxes of the applications, or simply typing
> konqueror --help?
>
> > kde 2 had not been released at the time mandrake 7
> > came out - ergo it was a pre release beta version.
>
> My mistake, I meant 7.2
>
> > Can you tell the difference between memory starvation
> > and a hung system?
>
> A hung system is stopped. Mouse doesn't move, keyboard dead etc.
>
> > It no doubt could, just not your miserable little box.
>
> So it's my boxes fault is it? Surely, it's the software it's running,
> not the hardware.
>
> > Obviously not - nothing you've said about it has
> > made any sense to other mandrake users, who
> > seem fairly happy.
>
> I'm hearing from various people around this group that many are not
> exactly overjoyed by Mandrake.
>
> > Clearly, it's no standard installation - this one was
> > specially horked up by the guy who is on a misson
> > to counter linux advocacy....
>
> I've done absolutely nothing to damage, adjust or otherwise tweak this
> system.
>
> That's what you want to believe because then you can pretend the
> problems don't exist. That's it, sweep it under the carpet, make the
> messenger go away! In other words, no better than Microsoft?
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
Dear pete, if you would simply remove this line you put into your
/etc/fstab
/dev/kmem swap n_a n_a n_a
you MIGHT get better results....MORON.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:36:28 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > And when I was in London, I saw billboards for them all over the place.
> >
> > You couldn't take a subway ride without coming across several such ads.
>
> Yes, I saw them.
>
> I also took the time to read the small print on most of them.
>
> You did read that part didn't you.
>
> You know, the one that says, "BT customers only".
>
> I'm not with BT. I'm with a cable company. Most of these deals don't apply
> to me.
>
> Oh, I could "go back" to BT, but they're more expensive than who I'm with.
>
> Besides, it's all about to change. I'm switching to a cable internet line.
> It'll cost me £33 a month but it's unlimited and ten times faster than a
> modem.
What took you so long?
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:43:26 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <n3ie6.7623$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Edward Rosten writes:
> >
> >>>>> Marty writes:
> >
> >>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>> Marty wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It has now moved on from that.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Malloy like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is still posting his ridiculous responses like he was at the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of the thread. He hasn't moved on.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since
> >>>>>>>>>>> joined in, which means that some parts of the situation have
> >>>>>>>>>>> changed.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
> >>>>>>>>>> Tholen, and have been for over a month. Dave is still posting
> >>>>>>>>>> his ridiculous response like he had in other threads. He
> >>>>>>>>>> hasn't moved on.
> >
> >>>>>>>>> Who is Dave?
> >
> >>>>>>>> Haven't you been paying attention?
> >
> >>>>>>> I thought I had, but I mus have missed the relavent post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Who is dave?
> >
> >>>>>> More evidence of your reading comprehension problems. Dave is none
> >>>>>> other than Tholen.
> >
> >>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Marty?
> >
> >>>> Tholen, are you Dave?
> >
> >>> Which one, Letterman?
> >
> >> I don't know.
> >
> > But you're the one asking the question.
>
> Incorrect. I was asking if you were Dave, not Dave Letterman.
>
> >> are you the `Dave' that Marty and Kulkis refer to?
> >
> > Ask them. Different people have different names for me.
>
> Well, Aaron seems to refer to you as Dave Tholen.
Tholen, David
1505 Alexander St,
Honolulu, HI 96822-4978
(808)941-3552
Tholen, David
Alexander St Apt 406, Honolulu, HI
96822
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
> weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
> - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
> |eng.ox.ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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