Linux-Advocacy Digest #965, Volume #31 Sun, 4 Feb 01 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Mig)
Re: MacOS looking more like Linux Everyday - ("Edward Rosten")
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: My open-source quote ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Goodby MS... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: I edited my inetd.conf with Word. (The Ghost In The Machine)
"It's the desktop, stupid" (Pete Goodwin)
Re: KDE Hell (Peter Hayes)
Re: KDE Hell (Peter Hayes)
Re: "It's the desktop, stupid" (J Sloan)
Re: Linux headache (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is a fad? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Goodby MS... (mlw)
Re: Linux is a fad? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: "It's the desktop, stupid" (Pete Goodwin)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (.)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (.)
Re: linux is dieing (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows (The Ghost In The Machine)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:34:19 GMT
Said Adie in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:28:40 +0000;
>On 22 Jan 2001 08:24:06 GMT, Jeff Silverman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
Adie's ingenuous but sincere response, and the several beers combined
with the late hour, have prompted me to take a cynical view of Linux.
The realization that I have a "desktop Linux box" sitting back in
Pennsylvania waiting for me to set up also leads me to play devil's
advocate. Hold on, I'm going to try to be ruthless.
[...]
>>What do beginning users need to know?
>>
>>Thank you for your time.
>
>Jeff I have had Linux installed for 2 days.
>My thoughts-
>
>Install is extremely easy with Mandrake, ok it took 3 attempts of messing around
>but iam there, no big deal.
Windows typically took me three tries every time I installed it (even
after *years* of experience doing so!), but I would expect more from
Linux, TBH.
>The login, root and users is kinda confusing at first, but not overly.
Note to those instructing newbies: the historical, if not archaic, idea
of "time-sharing host" computing is appropriately alien to modern PC
users. Microsoft might have done it horribly, and only as an outgrowth
of their pathetic DOS legacy, but there's good reason to think that
treating every desktop or workstation as a multi-user host is
inefficient.
>The real problems I find are that I cant navigate too well, windows has a nice
>easy feel and control panel for all the hardware, along with device manager that
>allows simple driver updates- I suppose the drak config thing is supposed to do
>the same, but it is no way as intuitive.
The horribly fragmented development of the computing environment which a
Linux user has to work with is a great weakness in this regard. The
fact is, this is a set of tools cobbled together over decades. It is,
frankly, impossible for any OEM to pretend they provide a real solution
if they're not willing to 'clean up' the conventional diverse array of
tools and still maintain backward-compatibility for any arbitrary tool.
I do hope that OEMs are going to take a much more detailed look at the
platform itself, rather than just presuming that having a Linux kernel
means that everything is hunky-dorey.
>Command line? What the hell are all those vmw..\\gnzip.tar..blah..blah things?
Its just typing. I'm not ever going to complain about having to type
(but then, I learned to touch-type when I was 13), as long as the
instructions are bullet-proof. If you type it, and it works, it doesn't
really matter how complex it is. And to be honest, its better when its
convoluted, as it allows for "deconstructing" it and learning what's
actually going on much more easily.
>How the hell am I suppose to remember all that syntax if I dont know what its
>refering to- so I suggest you explain the meaning of all these strange
>combinations of letters, it may help understanding.
Thus the "man". I also hope this tradition, as archaic as it may be, is
maintained. But would it be outrageous to think that someone might
spend some time or money bringing it up to speed with twenty-first
century technology?
>Running programs- some run, some wont, why?
Some have a visual result, some don't, I would expect. No gripe here;
just naivete about how computers work. I am genuinely looking forward
to the *idea* of running a unix host as a desktop, if not the uphill
battle against the application barrier.
>Some telnet and basic networking instruction would be nice too, I have this 733t
>hax0ring box but dont know the difference between a terminal emulator and box of
>eggs- so some tuition on ports and protocols would be interesting and helpful.
>
>Security, definte interest. Should keep their attention.
As an aside to my putative rant, I must point out that these last two
statements seem to mean you're a piker.
>On the GUI's Ive found that I prefer KDE, its seems less fragile and a little
>freindlier than GNOME, which incidentally I have renamed TROLL due to the way it
>takes the piss at every given moment.
How ironic, given that KDE is based on QT, a library owned by a company
called Troll Tech.
>All in all I think your on the right track, and if you make any course notes up,
>please send me a copy as I'll willfully read anything about Linux that is
>written in clear and simple language.
Such qualifiers, I know, are much more less helpful than silence, to one
who is trying to build a learning curriculum. How "clear and simple" a
description can be is a function of the time you plan to spend learning,
not the subject.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:31:11 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Michael J. Burns wrote:
>
> > This has been discussed before. I tried to threaten and then recover my
> > Caldera 1.1 system (released in spring of 1997) using that technique.
> > The system became quite slow, but was recoverable as follows.
>
> As Mandrake places no limits on the number of processes, my system was
> very flooded with forked children forking more children. Result - the
> console prompt did not respond. So I had to reboot.
OK Pete.. here's some more help on how to trash your system as a regular
user. No need to make to make recycled registry dumps (how you exported
that from a Windows box when samba does not work, no ftp and no telnet is a
mystery to me).
for(;;) malloc(1);
--
Cheers
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MacOS looking more like Linux Everyday -
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:39:09 +0000
> This one new feature will allow current Linux users to move to the
> powerful MacOSX more easily!
MacOSX may be nice, but why would I want to move?
> <http://www.macuarium.com/macuarium/actual/rumores/2001_01_31_betagb/dock
> -vertical.jpg>
This would only help if you use a Windowmanager (module) with a dock. I
don't.
> The troublefree hardware is here:
It is good hardware. I like the lack of the fan on iMacs. I wouldn't mind
a G4 (or G6 :-) or Alpha or, basically non i86 computer.
> http://www.apple.com/hardware
>
> OSX is only 50 days away!!!!
Should be interesting.
> Oxford
Nice town.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:41:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Craig Kelley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 03 Feb 2001 20:40:09 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Shumway, Gordon
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:24:04 -0600
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >Adam Warner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "MS Exec: Linux is Going Down"
>> >>
>> >> http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html
>> >> Adam
>> >
>> >Quotes from article:
>> >
>> >--------------
>> >There really isn't much value in free," said Miller, who also contends
>> >that the latest release of the Linux kernel, 2.4, doesn't have the
>> >features required for widespread business use.
>> >-------------
>>
>> Which would be....what?
>>
>> Miller has a strange notion here; the only feature that might be
>> missing is a journaling file system -- and the kernel can easily
>> be patched therefor. (I don't run 2.4 so can't say if reiserfs
>> got in there or not, but if an IT group really wants it, they
>> can get it.)
>
>It's in 2.4.1
Ah, OK. With or without strange overrun security bug, though?
>
>I wonder if Chad will finally shut up.
*shrug*
[snippage]
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:48:58 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Köhlmann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ralph Miguel Hansen wrote:
>> I got TWO seats on my open-source-OS (bash and KDE) and my bicycle has
>> got two wheels compared to the one very little wheel M$ has.
>>
> Which isn't round to boot. Roundness is a concept not yet thought of at
> MS. So one is constantly on a quite bumpy ride.
Its the new innovation: the square wheel. You see, the shortest distance
between 2 points is a straight line, so going betewwn 2 points on the
edge of the square wheel is shorter than between 2 points on a round
wheel. Overall result: the journey is shorter :-)
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Goodby MS...
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:01:54 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 06:19:30 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Tom Wilson wrote:
>>
>> "Kool Breeze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I managed to learn just enough MFC/Win32 to get the app going and
>> > never learned the details, ie, 23 parameters/functions to paint a
>> > bitmap to the screen.
>>
>> If you're ever in the unfortunate position, again, of having to write
>> Windows solutions, ignore MFC and go with ATL/WTL. Considerably better and
>> less bloated.
>>
>
>MFC being.....Microsoft fucking corruption?
Many Foolish Calls. :-)
[.sigsnip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: I edited my inetd.conf with Word.
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:06:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:52:43 -0600
<jK0f6.2058$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on 2 Feb 2001 00:20:24 GMT
>> <95cug8$ech$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >#echo stream tcp nowait root internal^M
>> >#echo dgram udp wait root internal^M
>> >#discard stream tcp nowait root internal^M
>> >#discard dgram udp wait root internal^M
>>
>> [rest snipped]
>>
>> One of the few things Microsoft actually did right -- yes, I know,
>> everyone else uses "newline" versus "carriage return linefeed".
>> Of course, maybe Microsoft should get on the bandwagon now.... :-)
>
>Actually, no.. not everyone. The Macintosh uses simply a carriage return
>without linefeed. It will be interesting to see how OSX handles this change
>or if they force Darwin to be CR friendly.
Ah, yes. I'd forgotten about Mac's peculiarities (':' instead of
'/' or '\' for a file path delimiter, and the CR to indicate end
of text line).
But yes, that will be interesting, to those relating to Macs.
[rest snipped]
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Subject: "It's the desktop, stupid"
From: imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:08:30 GMT
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-02/lw-02-penguin_1.html
Fascinating!
--
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:03:29 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:20:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
wrote:
> I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth if you don't mind.
[...]
> Our government if flat crazy. We have police writing tickets
> for not wearing your seatbelt in all 50 states now yet I
> defy you to find your local parole-violator search unit
> within any police force. The police will write you that
> $25 ticket for not wearing your seatbelt but when it comes
> to finding some murderer who got out in 3 and escaped his
> parole they don't bother to look for the dangerous.
[...]
> Wonder how many more decades of this nonsense America
> can take?
America doesn't have a monopoly on that kind of thinking. Here in the UK we
have the same problems. Cops book you for doing 35 in a 30 zone while the
drug dealers ply their trade round the corner.
Cowardly really - the motorist is easy meat.
Peter
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:04:46 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:26:12 -0800, Salvador Peralta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> > "Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Has the Christian Coalition taken a stand on Gnome vs. KDE or something?
> >
> > No, but I'm sure they will, eventually.
>
> They'll come down on your side of it and lay down an edict against KDE
> and Gnome, Kylie. The Christian Coalition, being a conformist,
> AntiThought organization, is as pro redmond as they come. It is no
> coincidence that humanity was cast out from Eden for eating of the tree
> of knowledge.
I thought it was an **APPLE**
Peter
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "It's the desktop, stupid"
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:11:54 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-02/lw-02-penguin_1.html
>
> Fascinating!
Yes, he makes excellent points.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:17:20 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 04:00:45 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> So whither the desktop? I don't know. I would hope Linux has a
>> place therein, though.
>
>It already *IS* *THE* desktop OS for every designer, checker, and
>detailer in the auto-industry...WORLDWIDE.
>
>That's about 100,000 (essentially) computer-illiterates using Unix
>for EVERYTHING.....universal choice by EVERY automotive manufacturer
>in the world....and untold numbers of those working at the tier-1
>through tier-3 suppliers who ALSO do the same (or else, they don't
>do business with the auto manufacturers, nor the tiers above them).
>
>So...my conservative guess is... 1,000,000 Unix desktops, being used
>by guys who went from drafting on big sheets of paper to doing
>heavy CAD work....and really haven't had any problems.
Pedant point: you're apparently describing a Unix desktop, not
a Linux one. However, there's little difference, especially
at the application programming level (XDrawLine() is XDrawLine()
is XDrawLine() ... :-) ). I could see Linux being slid in there
very very easily, should economic conditions require it.
Perhaps they will, when their Unix machine leases come up for renewal,
assuming they lease machines, as opposed to purchase them.
I can't say I know offhand.
(I'm also using a Unix desktop here at my second job -- which was
actually my first job until I switched jobs, so I'm contracting
with them now. I've been using it for years, and it works
very well, although I will admit Windows is a little more convenient
for passing spreadsheets and Word documents around. But that's
worked around easily enough.)
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Subject: Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo
From: imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:17:27 GMT
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<95i0sr$p64$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Microsoft's assertion that Linux is not a technical thread is
>actually absurd. Eventually, Linux will reach the mainstream
>and executive desktops. When it does, Microsoft will be unable
>to pretend that it has originated technology that was forged in
>the cauldron of Open Source.
They've had a long time to get there... and they haven't quite made it yet.
Instead they (KDE) appear to be copying Windows. What innovation Linux?
--
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:20:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, J Sloan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:38:12 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Canon scanner.
>> Xirlink camera.
>> Lexmark printer, even has Linsux drivers but USB doesn't work.
>
>Since flatfish threw down the gauntlet, I went to the
>computer show today and bought a USB mouse and
>scanner. After I get back from watching Antitrust
>tonight I'll give it a whirl and report back.
Go for it, and good luck. :-)
>
>jjs
>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- USB? What's that? I'm still working on my PP200... :-)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodby MS...
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:22:49 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 06:19:30 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Tom Wilson wrote:
> >>
> >> "Kool Breeze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I managed to learn just enough MFC/Win32 to get the app going and
> >> > never learned the details, ie, 23 parameters/functions to paint a
> >> > bitmap to the screen.
> >>
> >> If you're ever in the unfortunate position, again, of having to write
> >> Windows solutions, ignore MFC and go with ATL/WTL. Considerably better and
> >> less bloated.
> >>
> >
> >MFC being.....Microsoft fucking corruption?
>
> Many Foolish Calls. :-)
Mostly For Children
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 2d:17h:10m actually running Linux.
> This is the best part of the message.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:21:52 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Gardiner Family
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:11:46 +1300
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>We've actually got a surplus right now...I willing to export electricity
>if you supply the extension cord required :)
Heh...there's a thought. I don't know the prices of transatlantic
cable, though. :-)
>
>Matt
>
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:19:21 -0000
>> <95gm0f$q8h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >New Zealand has electricity?
>>
>> Probably more than California does right now. :-)
>>
>> [rest snipped]
>>
>> --
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>> This is not a .sig.
>
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Subject: Re: "It's the desktop, stupid"
From: imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:21:42 GMT
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Fascinating!
>
>Yes, he makes excellent points.
Aw no, we're no agreeing on something here are we? Ohmigod! Somebody get
the press in here quick!
KDE and GNOME are a start on the way to a better desktop than Windows, but,
not quite there yet.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:36:20 +1300
> I was asking about NT, not Whistler. I know that there's this thing
> called Windows Terminal Server now, but I'm not familiar with what Windows
> OS's it runs on, but I don't think it is NT (unless SP6 is loaded?).
It's a special version of NT4 that allows NT lovers to claim NT is multi
user. Original NT4 can still only have one person controlling it... one
desktop, one mouse pointer, one keyboard.
Terminal server, however, provides a separate desktop, pointer, and
environment for remote users.
> Do you know if there is any relationship between Terminal Server and pcAnywhere32?
I think there's more likely to be a relationship between TS and Citrix
WinFrame/MetaFrame.
> Anyway, you mention only one remote session (GUI?) and a few console
> sessions. The latter sound like what telnet does, but please explain
> more about these consoles connections.
All my experience with telnet and NT4 has been a beta telnet server we
downloaded before 2k came out. It never finished being beta, and I
suspect the reason is so they can make it look like some kind of
innovation in 2k.
> P.S. What the heck is Whistler supposed to be, anyway? Is it the next version
> of Win2K? I'm lazy and don't want to go to microsoft.com to find out.
The version of Win2k that's meant to make all the PC users jump the win9x
ship. I'll be happy to admit I don't know a lot about it... I've never
seen it, and I hope I never do. I've used Win2k enough to know that it's
definitely not for me. Ayende seems to have quite a bit more info on it
if this isn't enough to satisfy the curiosity =)
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:44:52 +1300
> > I'm still holding out for soft links. Has Microsoft scheduled them yet?
>
> Describe what you mean when you say soft links (my unix terminology is in
> another language, and not very good to begin with).
> I think that they did.
A soft link is a bit like a shortcut, except the filesystem code takes
care of resolving the link, rather than the shell. If Win9x had soft
links, I would be able to use them from an MS-DOS session.
The soft link is a file of its own, as opposed to a hard link, which is
another directory entry pointing at the same part of the disk. The soft
link points to the directory or file by name, so if the linked object is
deleted, the soft link is not (but it isn't valid anymore).
I hope I haven't screwed this explanation up too much ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:45:03 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hank Barta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 18:18:57 GMT
<l2hf6.79810$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Or perhaps more accurately, my hard drive is dieing. It began making
> loud whining sounds a couple of days ago. I tried to get one last
> backup, taring an image to the local disk to transfer to another
> system. But it was too late. There are too many disk errors to
> complete this.
Ouch. Good luck; at least you got fair warning. I had a power outage
(thanks to PG&E and a slightly braindamaged "deregulation program" which
didn't allow them to maintain the power grid) and when the system came
back up, the main system drive (it was an old 4.3GB Quantum) didn't work;
it was recognized, but wouldn't come back OK or something.
Fortunately for me, my data was all on other devices, which survived.
My main problem was getting an OS on there; I had an old RedHat 5.2
CD lying about so slapped that in there and then downloaded a
Debian "start pack" (basically, part of the disks-i386 subdirectory).
Once I'd built the boot floppy, I rebooted, walked through the
dialogs, ran out of disk space at one point so had to go back to
RH 5.2, move some things around, emptied a partition, restarted the
install, got through it, and have been running Debian ever since.
It's a bit rough, but I'll admit, dselect is very easy to use;
it automatically tells you when there are conflicts and when
there are other packages it needs, unlike RedHat's RPM -- although
there might be an add on somewhere. I haven't used apt-get yet.
It also has lots of freeware games :-).
>
> Surprisingly, the system is still up and running, providing
> firewalling and IP Masquerading services for my home LAN connection
> to the Internet. I wonder how long it can continue to operate? It has
> remounted the root file system read only (and the swap device is on
> the same drive.) I guess I'll have to wait and see. I'll get no more
> logging since the logs are on a RO file system. On the other hand,
> it should be a bit more secure since it will be *real* hard for an
> intruder to actually accomplish anything.
>
> The drive began failing when uptime was 28 days and it is now at 30
> days (and the whining has somewhat subsided.)
Better make sure you can save /etc, and get yourself a new drive. :-)
If that badspot is because of a speck of dust ruining the surface,
it'll most likely spread to other tracks.
Again, good luck.
[.signsip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:47:02 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Krid
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:59:27 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>As their last actions in this world, the clinically depressed
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) scrawled the
>following message (Suicide note ID#
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) onto their dashboard before
>igniting a JATO unit strapped on to their roof:
Colorful. :-)
>
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:46:47 GMT
>><XNy86.194$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>>"Stuart R. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>> Charlie Ebert <charlie> wrote:
>>>> : Linux has the BEST uptime record of any operating system in the
>>>> : world.
>>>>
>>>> Well, between Windows and Linux, that might be true. However, there's
>>>> more to the world than Linux and Windows.
>>>>
>>>Not in this neck of the woods, my friend! ;)
>
><snip>
>
>>Other speciality/embedded operating systems (WinCE might be
>>construed as one, although it's a relatively recent entry)
>>might be included, as well. I don't know a lot about them.
>
>CE? Long uptime? HA!
>Have you EVER heard of a video game system crashing? (Discounting when you
>remove parts while it's on, of course.)
>
>I have a Dreamcast. It runs CE. It crashes/munges data every other day or so.
I'm not aware of Dreamcast's issues, since I don't own one. This may
explain in part why Sega is abandoning it.
>
>--
>~Krid
>
>(Above address(es) invalid, descramble com.roundthebend@krid instead.)
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