Linux-Advocacy Digest #966, Volume #31 Sun, 4 Feb 01 19:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: linux is dieing (Matthias Warkus)
Re: linux is dieing (.)
Re: Another thing I've noticed. (Peter Hayes)
Re: "It's the desktop, stupid" (Mig)
Re: Goodby MS... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Aaron R Kulkis (Karel Jansens)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Storm Linux & Applixware ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Wayne Fellows")
Re: Aaron R Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Aaron R Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:52:29 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:20:51 +0000
<1l0f6.41029$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a challenge. After a little work, I have the following
>> questions/observations:
>
>The original challenge came from a Linux advocate, who told me that PFE (a
>GUI Windows editor) would barf long before loading a 100MByte file, let
>alone a 100MByte one. They also seemed to think AbiWord was a wonderful
>editor. That's what got me started on this.
>
>> [1] Did you configure your swap properly? :-)
>
>It's a 250MByte swap partition. You mean I have to do more than that?
Just checking. :-) No, that should be more than enough for this issue,
on both NT and Linux.
>
>> [3] Reading large files with Notepad is not recommended. On NT4,
>> even just killing Notepad takes awhile, whereas vi (actually,
>> elvis) responds immediately to my control-C and stops reading.
>> I discovered this at work, the hard way. (Sorry, I don't have
>> wallclock times for these.)
>
>PFE struggled but loaded, saved and reloaded the file.
Notepad probably would have completed. Eventually.
>
>> [5] I would be curious as to whether the "Windows GUI editor" (which
>> did you use? Notepad? Wordpad? Write (no longer available?)
>> Word? Slick (3rd party)? VC++'s text editor? Something else?)
>> is reading in the entire file or not prior to processing.
>
>PFE (Programmer's File Editor).
>
>The editor on Linux was the Advanced Text Editor. It hung my system twice,
>apparently by allocating in excess of 300MBytes of memory.
I'm not familiar with that editor. Elvis wasn't having any real
problems reading the file, though (I won't say it was loading it,
as it wasn't consuming enough memory; most likely it was noting
where the lines started).
I can't say I can find it on Debian's dselect.
>
>--
>Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 2d:19h:57m actually running Linux.
Are you still here?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:55:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Karel Jansens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:57:01 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>
>> Karel Jansens wrote:
>>
>> > I am also convinced that IBM was the worst possible company to promote
>> > and market this operating system...
>>
>> Weren't they the ones that gave us the 640k nightmare?
>>
>
>Ironically, I think you'll find it was a certain W. (*) Gates III who
>stated that "...640 kilobytes of RAM should be enough for anybody".
>(or something along those lines)
Actually, Billy disputed this, apparently. I'm not sure I can find
a cite, but a news report some time back had him saying he was
misquoted.
>
>Weren't IBM the first to come with a flat-memory model O/S for the PC
>(aka OS/2)?
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Karel Jansens
>
>(*) I forgot his middle name. Wasn't it Henry? Or something with a H.
>at least?
I'm pretty sure it was H, but don't know what it stands for.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 2d:20h:02m actually running Linux.
I was asleep at the switch the rest of the time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:01:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 4 Feb 2001 04:26:02 +0200
<95ifj9$aep$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:39:09 +0200,
>> Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> > False, we have writing for only couple of thousands years, we have
>eyes
>> >for
>> >> > *much* longer. (Try couple of hundreds of millions of years)
>> >> > We can understand pictures much better than text.
>> >>
>> >> That must be why you are reading USENET in heiroglyphics, eh?
>> >
>> >For complex ideas, you need writing, or else you start to mess with
>people's
>> >idea about what a picture mean.
>> >For simple ideas, there is no better way than pictures, which are usually
>> >can by-pass cultureral ties.
>> >Not to mention that you can recognize pictures much faster than text, and
>> >once you associated a picture with an idea. (IE, outstrecthed hand with
>> >"Stop!") it's much faster & easier than reading it.
>>
>> no, the word "Stop" is no slower than an icon, the word becomes an icon.
>
>Not really, you need to read it, and then phrase it into an idea.
>A picture doesn't need phrasing.
I wonder.
The classic "save icon" is a floppy diskette. Is that intuitive?
(Hi Tholen!) How intuitive will it be when floppies are no more,
and we're all using Zip, Jaz, or bootable CD-ROM devices instead?
(It's 2001 and we're still using these ultra-slow 1.44 MB units?
Gaaah!)
The "new icon" is a rectangle with a corner cut off, which presumably
is supposed to represent a fresh, glistening new document. Is
that intuitive?
Some of the icons actually do make sense, though -- there are three,
for example, which have four horizontal lines of varying lengths.
The left icon has all the lines aligned at the left; the center icon
has the lines centered; the right icon has the lines aligned at
the right. (These are justification choose-buttons.)
The letter "A", in various poses, is a little harder to figure out.
But it works for most: bold, italics, underlined.
There are two other icons that work, too -- one has lines with little
dots (bulletted list), and one has lines with numbers (numbered list).
I'll admit, pictures are a mixed blessing. Some work, some don't.
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 2d:20h:04m actually running Linux.
This space for rent.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:35:25 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:33:28 -0700...
...and Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey!
>
> That brings up a question I've never faced before. How do you go about
> backing up a working Linux implementation? If you (or anyone) wouldn't
> mind offering details, I'd like to hear it. I've spent a lot of time
> configuring this system and I'd hate to have to do it again from
> scratch. I've got a CD-ROM burner. What should I put on it to get
> myself back up to speed again in case I start hearing funny HD noises?
> All of /etc including subs would be my first thought...
Everything that cannot be restored by simply installing packages.
mawa
--
beauty drip, n.:
The tear that rolls out of your eye during the manly combat
against skin impurities on your nose (because damn, that hurts!).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: 4 Feb 2001 23:02:04 GMT
Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey!
> That brings up a question I've never faced before. How do you go about
> backing up a working Linux implementation? If you (or anyone) wouldn't
> mind offering details, I'd like to hear it. I've spent a lot of time
> configuring this system and I'd hate to have to do it again from
> scratch. I've got a CD-ROM burner. What should I put on it to get
> myself back up to speed again in case I start hearing funny HD noises?
> All of /etc including subs would be my first thought...
All of /etc and probably /home too. /usr might not be a bad idea if you
dont want to have to re-install all the software youve already installed.
There are many ways; you can tar up everything and then burn it to cd with
something like mkisofs. Or you can rsync to some device, local or remote.
=====.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another thing I've noticed.
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:54:45 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 04:26:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:25:28 -0600
> <GcMc6.158$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> FACT: linux does not force you in to software and hardware upgrades.
> >>
> >>
> >> How many people are running on `old' systems? I'm running on a P133 and
> >> under Linux it runs fine. It won't even run the latest version of
> >> windows.
> >
> >Huh? Windows runs fine on a P133. Heck, I've run WIn2k on a P100 laptop.
>
> Win 3.1 once ran on a 386/20, with 4 megabytes. (Presumably, it
> ran rather sluggishly -- but it ran.)
I have a 486DX33 with 4Mb, now "upgraded" to 8Mb. Windows 3.1 runs about
the same as Windows 98 on my K2-400 with 64Mb.
The vast increase in processor, memory and hard disk specs neatly balances
software bloat, and Microsoft aren't alone, KDE is another resource hog.
Peter
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "It's the desktop, stupid"
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:02:24 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >> Fascinating!
> >
> >Yes, he makes excellent points.
>
> Aw no, we're no agreeing on something here are we? Ohmigod! Somebody get
> the press in here quick!
>
> KDE and GNOME are a start on the way to a better desktop than Windows,
> but, not quite there yet.
For me it has been there long long time ago. I wouldnt give away my options
to configure stuff to my liking for anything else.
Besides Windows is not easy to use for endusers. Making my money doing
Windows support then there is no reason to use Windows anyway.. "dumb
end-users" dont know right-clicking, moving and resizing windows. Its much
easyer on the the MAC and even there some users still have problems.
Face it - Windows is by no means a consistent desktop.
--
Cheers
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodby MS...
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:07:49 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 04 Feb 2001 06:19:30 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Tom Wilson wrote:
> >>
> >> "Kool Breeze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I managed to learn just enough MFC/Win32 to get the app going and
> >> > never learned the details, ie, 23 parameters/functions to paint a
> >> > bitmap to the screen.
> >>
> >> If you're ever in the unfortunate position, again, of having to write
> >> Windows solutions, ignore MFC and go with ATL/WTL. Considerably better
and
> >> less bloated.
> >>
> >
> >MFC being.....Microsoft fucking corruption?
>
> Many Foolish Calls. :-)
Massively F*cked up Code
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:11:24 GMT
"Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>
> > |
> > | "Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | >> Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> | >>
> | >> «--snip--»
> | >> >> Mandrake's hardware detector is stunning in its efficiency. It
> | >> >> works the way Microsoft's so-called plug & play systen *should*
> | >> >> have worked, but doesn't.
> | >>
> | >> I'm sure you're speaking about a recent version of Mandrake. Try
Win2k
> | >> and you'll be equally stunned.
> > |
> > | I run Win2K Professional and there's no comparison....
> > | Mandrake wins, hands down, for hardware detection.
>
> Do you still have to select your display adapter and monitor?
Nope. Voodoo 3 2000 PCI detected automatically and set to 1280x1024 x 32
The monitor, a ProView 19", worked great too. I did go into XF86Config and
back down the refresh rate a bit out of habit, though.
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:32:01 +0100
Ralph Miguel Hansen wrote:
>
> Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> > Ralph Miguel Hansen wrote:
> >>
> >> "--== wrote:
> >>
> >> > A very sad little boy who pretends to be a man with an important job.
> >> >
> >> > Nearly every post he makes he has to swear in.
> >> >
> >> > Sad.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Still, I suppose it has to be so when Linux attracts mostly long hair
> >> > weirdos.
> >> >
> >> Kulkis is swearing ? Shit, I tried to improve my fucking
> >> english-knowledges by reading his comments.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Ralph Miguel Hansen
> >> Using S.u.S.E. 5.3 and SuSE 7.0
> >
> > Nit-picking mode on:
> >
> > SuSE didn't drop the dots in their name until after version 5.3 of
> > their distribution.
> > You should therefore refer to it as S.u.S.E. 5.3 and SuSE 7.0.
> > Ahahahahahahahaha!
> >
> > Yes, I'm sad. I know. I can't help it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Karel Jansens
> >
> What do you mean ?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ralph Miguel Hansen
> Using S.u.S.E 5.3 and SuSE 7.0
You've been taking history revision lessons from Bill Gates, I see.
Your skills still need improvement, though. See above.
<G>
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:23:02 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:xZbf6.4122$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:ah7f6.224$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:76Yd6.340$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "meow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED
SO
> > > > THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> > > > iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> > > > MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
> > >
> > > While I disagree that Linux could possibly harm an LCD screen, I do
> agree
> > > with you on one point.
> > >
> > > Monitors and Video cards have supported automatic identificaiton of
> > monitor
> > > capabilities for years. Why doesn't Linux support this?
> >
> > Xconfigurator does and has for quite some time.
> > Mandrake's installer does and has ever since they opted for graphical
> > installs
> > Educate yourself before posing such questions...
>
> When I was running Mandrake 7.2 it most certainly did *NOT* auto-detect my
> monitor. I had to physically select it from the list (and I had to do
this
> every time I changed graphic modes, which was quite annoying).
What kind of monitor?
I'm using a bargain basement ProView 19", an OptiQuest Q71 17", and a
generic, no-name 15" all of these worked just great. (The 15" could be
persnickity at times and Windows didn't like it much either. Cheap piece of
junk. I use it for CLI-only DB server installs and the like)
The video card, a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI, was detected as well. (From version 7.1
and on...Earlier versions kind of choked when presented with it and the 3dfx
DRI drivers from then really sucked)
>
> Xconfigurator? Does that exist in every distribution of Linux? Does it
> exist in even most of them?
Any based on RedHat, I would imagine. Despite its' inferiority when compared
to suse and Debian, RedHat and Mandrake are what most people can get off the
shelves and therefore are the most prevelent.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:26:28 +0000
Mig wrote:
> You got ping replyes = system runs. Proof cannot be more clear than this
> that Linux didnt hang. You should rather complain about XFree86 and not
> Windows.
Perhaps ping consumes so little resources it could get in (if it wasn't
already resident)?
> Have you a FTP server running? - I had to install one to do the test. You
> wrote several times that it didnt install a telnet daemon and yet you
> complained in another post ,that Linux hung your telnet client [running on
> Windows]. You must admit that so many contradictions does not make you
> look very truthfull.
Or you want me to look that way?
> Another problem is that you - a programmer /"IT professional" (Ahh... dont
> forget Drestin :-) - do not seem to understand that a dead system CAN NOT
> reply to pings or hang a telnet client on another machine. If it does then
> it must be running.
Actually, if a process is memory resident and has a higher priority than
anything else, it'll get in. Of course, I don't know if that is true for
'ping'.
Anyway... I managed to get telnet access into my system. Don't know how I
did it, but something got fixed so it now works.
I logged in remotely, ran top and tried the test again. Yep, everything was
fine... until I noticed there was 80k free of swap space, the Advanced
Editor was showing 300Mbytes of memory. At this point, top froze on the
telnet screen. Everything was frozen after that, and I waited a while (5-10
minutes?) to see if it would recover. Nope. Still hung, obviously thrashing
away on its own swap space.
Even Windows didn't freeze this long (and it did get jerky). Seems like the
Advanced Editor is gobbling memory away ad infinitum.
I suppose I could wait longer... 10 minutes? 20? How long?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Storm Linux & Applixware
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:24:30 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I owned a Caddy, not the Chevette.
> >
> > That's the car to which he referred.
> >
> > Caddies from the 80's were absolute garbage...Especially that Cimmeron
> > thing.
>
> EVERYTHING assembled at Cadillac Plant #1 during those years sucked.
>
> On the other hand, they had THE BEST chrome line in the world.
>
> The steel was first heavily electroplated with copper before the chrome
> was electroplated on. This is why rust on Cadillac chrome was an
> exceptionally rare occurance. The chrome line next to Scotten Avenue
> was rated the best in the world for something like 40 years continously.
>
I'd like to see chrome make a comeback...
And not that plated plastic crap either!
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:31:50 +0000
Mig wrote:
> OK Pete.. here's some more help on how to trash your system as a regular
> user. No need to make to make recycled registry dumps (how you exported
> that from a Windows box when samba does not work, no ftp and no telnet is
> a mystery to me).
It's easy to export a text file when Windows and Linux are on the same
machine. In Windows I created the 130MByte text file, then I rebooted and
in Linux tried loading it.
> for(;;) malloc(1);
Ouch! Does Linux cope well with fragmented memory blocks? I know Windows 98
SE doesn't - my audio driver leaked 32 bytes for every audio stream
created. Unreal Tournament uses a _lot_ of audio streams. After 10 minutes
Windows 98 SE started stuttering, as it tried to clean up fragmented
memory. Windows 2000 sailed on gracefully with this same leak, hardly
noticing it.
Microsoft were the ones who pointed out what I'd done wrong in my driver,
oddly enough. Once I fixed the leak, it all went smoothly.
So, how well does Linux cope with fragmented memory allocations? Maybe I'll
write a test and find out. 500 small mallocs later... 8) Maybe it'll show
signs of stuttering like I found in Windows 98 SE!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:32:04 +0000
In article <cs9f6.41655$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
>> Only if you have lousy memory protection, like *cough* lose-blows
>> *cough*
>> *cough*...
>
> Which product is lose-blows I wonder?
>
> Windows 9x has no memory protection in the system space. It was done
> like that to support older applications, and MSDOS applications.
> NT/2000 doesn't have that weakness.
>
>> Regardless... Cooperative multi-tasking with 3rd-party software is
>> inherently unstable. It puts the app writer in a position of having to
>> 'play by the rules' rather than putting the OS in charge of setting and
>> enforcing the rules.
It also makes more work for teh app writer. In something like UNIX, you
don't have to bother handing back the CPU if you're a CPU bound process:
the OS does it for you. Makes coding easier.
> And yet, on an OS with preemptive multitasking it is still possible for
> one application to bring the system to its knees by not following the
> rules for that system.
Depends on the system policies. If you set limits on the amount of
memory/processes/processor time each user is allowed, then no one app can
bring a system to its knees by being badly behaved (if the OS is working
properly).
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:36:54 +0000
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> Just checking. :-) No, that should be more than enough for this issue,
> on both NT and Linux.
Windows has the advantage/disadvantage of having a page file that can grow.
Since Linux uses a fixed partition, does that mean its swap space is
limited or does it start gobbling space elsewhere?
> Notepad probably would have completed. Eventually.
Very (yawn) slowly...
> >The editor on Linux was the Advanced Text Editor. It hung my system
> >twice, apparently by allocating in excess of 300MBytes of memory.
>
> I'm not familiar with that editor. Elvis wasn't having any real
> problems reading the file, though (I won't say it was loading it,
> as it wasn't consuming enough memory; most likely it was noting
> where the lines started).
>
> I can't say I can find it on Debian's dselect.
It's KWrite. When I start it up it shows 'Advanced Editor' in the title.
That's coming from the menus I guess.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Wayne Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:35:59 GMT
Easy: Michael Dell.
While neither man is technically innovative (as far as bringing new ideas to
market, both copy the products of other companies), and even though Bill has
more money, Dell is more adept at dealing with competition (since he has no
monopoly that he can use to leverage new products) and he is better at
dealing with the business world as a whole than Gates is (Dell doesn't throw
temper tantrums in court or at big dinners). Gates has been singularly
unsuccessful in dealing with the legal liabilities that MS is faced with.
Also, Dell is a self made man, Gates is only where he is because his parents
were rich enough to help him take advantage of being in the right place at
the right time.
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In article <95evl3$e1p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Artho-niti-bid
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Bill Gates of Microsoft and Michael Dell of Dell Computers Inc.,both
> of them are highly successful on their own rights in their respective
> area of expertise. There are lot of parallels between these two
> outstanding men -- One began out of his college at Texas while the other
> from Harvard.
>
> Which of the two is smarter given the following criteria of
> smartness:
>
> (1) Tech Innovation
> (2) Entrepreneurial Skills and Financial Management
> (3) Assets and Liabilities Management.
> (4) Over all wealth.
>
>
> Thanks for your respective observations in advance.
>
> *******Inquisitor.
>
> --
>
> "Beauty is Truth and Truth Beauty --
> That's All, Ye know on earth, and
> All Ye need to know."
>
> -- John Keats in "Ode on a Grecian Urn".
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:21:26 +0000
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> So, when are you two getting married.....oh dear, the legal age of
> homosexuality is 16, and you two are only 12....
>
> a few more years to grow for you then...
>
I thought that sort of joke was funny when I was 10 too
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:23:40 +0000
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> Self proclaimed genius's ususally aren't.
>
> But if it swells your penis as much as your ego, then please continue to
> delude yourself.
I do not need to proclaim genius to say you are retarded
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