Linux-Advocacy Digest #966, Volume #33 Thu, 26 Apr 01 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows is a virus (Nigel Feltham)
Re: Bye all. How Wintroll's havent changed. (Terry Porter)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. (Terry Porter)
To Erik Funkenbusch (Terry Porter)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Baseball (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Chad Myers")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Brent R)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Brent R)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Chad Myers")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
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From: Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows is a virus
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:50:24 +0100
> > Windows isn't a virus. A virus is small, compact, fast, efficient and
> > does
>
> No...that's not part of the definition. In fact some viruses are
> specifically designed to GROW without bounds and/or be inefficient.
>
Sounds just like windows then.
> > the job it was orignally written for. Windows is the complete opposite!
>
> Windows does the job it was designed for: Corrupt user's data, and
> keep the dimwitted moron's expectations so low that they are easily
> impressed by a whole 36 hours of continous uptime.
>
I wish my win98 system would stay up that long - I have almost totally
given up bothering with win98 on my dual-boot system in favour of mandrake
7.2 now it has got so unreliable everytime I try to start IE4 the system
locks solid and I am so pissed off with the hassle I don't want the bother
of yet another reinstall knowing I will only have to repeat the process in
another few months when it trashes itself again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Bye all. How Wintroll's havent changed.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:16:54 GMT
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:12:57 +0100, Hullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I originally posted to try and get material for an anti W2K perspective for
> a report to a particularly trite director
<snip of irellevant drivel>
Please try and stay gone, mr anonymous Wintroll.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:21:02 GMT
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:58:28 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hullo wrote:
>>
>> I originally posted to try and get material for an anti W2K perspective for
>> a report to a particularly trite director
<snip>
>> Bye all.
>
> Well, sonny, if you came in here for any anti W2k material all you had
> to do was read, not post. You aren't a very bright manager then if you
> post the way you did. I suspected as much from the beginning. If I
> were you, you should get your resume ready as I hear the unemployment
> line this year is going to be long.
> However, I suspect you already are unemployed. I don't need a job as
> I'm retired and have it made in the shade sonny. I already have my
> hobby and I could care less about MickeySoft products.
> Oh, BTW, don't install W2K in lieu of UNIX... you'll be sorry.
Hahahaha, I nominate Greycloud for best Hullo, goodbye post. This will be a
close contest as the quality of the submissions are so high this time.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: To Erik Funkenbusch
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:28:39 GMT
Dear Mr Funkenbusch, lately I have become greatly concerned with the quality
of your postings.
The average Wintroll comes to COLA, and generally sprouts emotive statements,
and shows a complete lack of politeness and sincerity, often using devious
'Linux beginer' devices to attempt to confuse the readership here.
You on the other hand have been showing a intelligent and polite demeanour
and have even got some of the COLA regulars seeking your advice about
Win2k and even CDROM burning.
Now this behaviour of yours really has to stop, because if it doesnt, you will
single handly be giving Windows Advocates a good name, and where would we be
then ?
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:10:44 GMT
Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> >
> > "Zippy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > this is an amusing conversation.
> > >
> > > i use StarOffice every day. unlike MS Office, it doesn't crash my machine
> > > every 15 minutes.
> >
> > You must have a *really* bunged up system, if Office crashes it every 15
> > minutes. I run, for example, Outlook (not express) all day, every day, no
> > crashes. I run Word regularly, and can't recall, offhand, having had it
> > crash in at least several months. Access? Nope, no crashes. Excel? Nope,
> > no crashes.
> >
>
> Did you consider to leave your body to the Smithsonian? They'd be
> interested in the only specimen of humanity capable of such deeds.
Kelsey probably uses Office for 10-page memos, small spreadsheets,
PowerPoint slide shows, and a database of his favorite CDs.
Actually, Excel and PowerPoint seem pretty stable. Word is buggy,
very buggy. Access may be okay, I don't know, but it's a pretty
weak database. Outlook works pretty well, except on a big network,
when it's slow as hell, and of course it's a heat-sink for viruses.
Chris
--
"None but a blockhead ever wrote code,
except for money."
Bill Gates
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:17:51 GMT
jim dutton wrote:
>
> >> Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us.
> >I prefer the metric system!
>
> Check your dicktionary again.
>
> No that wasn't a misspelling.
Checked. It means what I thought, polysyllabic.
However, you don't seem to realize the root
Latin, meaning a foot and a half. But,
again, I prefer the metric system:
sesquimetric, to mix latin and greek roots,
but what the hell, it's English!
The rest of your responses just seem
stupid.
Chris
P.S. Since this is showing up in soc.singles,
maybe my mastery of words will help me
score, Beavis!
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:08:34 GMT
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <3ae319f9$0$2317$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johansan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > We regularly achieve 5 9s using Compaq servers running Advanced Server -
> > we are just careful to use WHQL certified drivers for all our hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> Tell me Jon,
>
> How do you achieve 5 9s *regularly* with server software that has been
> out for just over a year? Remember that 5 9s reliability is a statistical
> measure, and your sample is too small to be trustworthy.
> Once again, someone who knows virtually nothing about advanced server
> concepts can beat you on simple logic. You're not very smart are you? One
> good crash and your much-touted W2k servers are down to 4 9s *at best*.
<sigh>
I just love the arrogance. It's funny when someone who isn't really
all that smart thinks they know so much and then pretends to put down
someone they see as less intelligent, when all they are really doing
is embarassing themselves.
The fact is, Win2K AS has been in use in production environments since
before its official release date. Dell was using Beta 3 for production
web servers, accounting systems, as well as several other enterprise
applications.
Availability with Win2K AS is extremely high. Unfortunately, it's
impossible to compare it with Linux since Linux simply cannot
play at that high of an enterprise level. Linux has high availability
when you're running a DNS, DHCP, or FTP server perhaps, but it can't
seem to do much else without falling over. Lord knows it's
not a stable, nor secure web platform.
Win2K AS, OTOH, is. And there is much data and evidence which demonstrates
this. Look at any professional Win2K AS implementation and you will see one
that has yet to go down or be compromised in any way.
-c
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:26:53 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
>
> Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into being?
>
So??
> > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
>
> That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference OS/2
> New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to Windows New
> Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for anything
> since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
>
> > for those that
> > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS forward one
> > character each.
>
> Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> Computer.
Yes, but you also have to know that Clark, on his deathbed retracted an
awful lot of statements.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:28:00 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> I don't have to believe them. The history speaks for itself.
>
> If what you say is true, they would have had to have known they were
> developing something called Windows NT long before they came up with the
> name OS/2 NT, which would be before they even hired Dave Cutler.
>
> "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c2hoi$ht3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > keep in mind most of the engineers hired by bill were the same guys
> > developing VMS.
> >
> > and you believe them???
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> > >
> > > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into being?
> > >
> > > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> > >
> > > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
> OS/2
> > > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to Windows
> New
> > > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
> anything
> > > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> > >
> > > > for those that
> > > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS forward
> > one
> > > > character each.
> > >
> > > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > > Computer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Gates Hired David Cutler to write NT.
--
V
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:29:43 GMT
jet wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, jet
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:34:06 -0700
> > <9c077p$2rlc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> jet wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > [snip for brevity]
> >
> > >> I think she was complaining that Lara Croft represented unrealistic
> body
> > >> proportions
> > >
> > >Well, um, duh. And so what?
> >
> > Well, there might be one advantage to being, erm, proportioned like L.C.;
> > presumably, she can hold the automatic weapon in front of her and
> > the kickback from said rifle would keep her from tipping forward. :-)
> >
>
> Ah, so, it's all for the sake of science. :)
>
> > I would think a more logical physique would be lithe and
> > skinny, with a sports bra/shorts type outfit for hot weather as
> > she runs around from dangerous point to dangerous point trying
> > to keep from getting shot. Mind you, in cooler weather, camos would
> > probably work a lot better.... :-) but really, her current green outfit
> > would stick out like a sore thumb anywhere she wanted to try to hide.
> > Realistic? Yeah right...but then, guess what the target market is?
> > Hint: it's not post-pubescent females...
> >
> > However, one might also go for squat and muscular; L.C.'s waist
> > looks wonderful, but I doubt it gives her the ability to
> > breathe deeply should she need the energy. (Think a combination
> > of opera singer and SWAT commando. :-) )
> >
> > >
> > >>and that that somehow prevented young girls from entering
> > >> into Math/Science.
> > >
> > >Barbie dolls didn't stop me.
> >
> > Personally, I wonder who the dumbass was who programmed in the
> > "Math is haaaaaaard" into them at one point.
> >
>
> I don't see the problem with that. So what if math is hard? It was hard for
> me at times. I think taking that away sends a worse message: girls can't do
> or shouldn't attempt hard things.
>
> J
What a unique way of looking at that. I would've expected you to be
humorless about such a situation, guess it goes to show you shouldn't
judge someone by their cover.
You can tell when someone is truly successful when they don't let
something silly like a childhood doll stand in their way. Congrats.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:30:10 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> And your point is what? You are making wild ass statements without anything
> to back them up.
>
> MicroPro was founded in 1978, three years after Microsoft.
So??
>
> http://sanfrancisco.bcentral.com/sanfrancisco/stories/1996/11/11/story3.html
>
> "Rubinstein's earlier creations made him a pile of money, but early exits
> and bittersweet endings tarnished their success. His ambitions for Prompt
> Software are driven in part by his failure to stay with MicroPro and make
> the company a household name. He founded the company in 1978, drove sales to
> $70 million and was its largest shareholder when it went public in 1984.
> However, he lost day-to-day control in a corporate coup, which was carried
> out while he lay in a hospital bed with a near fatal coronary in 1983."
>
> "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c2il2$m5g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > see http://www.scrounge.org/worstar.html
> >
> > "During the period from the mid 1970's to the mid 1980's MicroPro WordStar
> > ruled. WordStar was the first word processing program that was produced
> for
> > microcomputers.
> > These early, um, personal computers typically ran the CP/M operating
> system,
> > that, quite frankly, bears a remarkable similarity to the MS/DOS operating
> > system that we (mostly) are now using. (Except that it had no
> > subdirectories. This wasn't quite as bad as it seems, because most users
> > only used floppy diskettes, and separating things onto different diskettes
> > served the same purpose as separating things into separate
> subdirectories.)
> > "
> >
> > there's more...
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> > >
> > > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into being?
> > >
> > > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> > >
> > > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
> OS/2
> > > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to Windows
> New
> > > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
> anything
> > > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> > >
> > > > for those that
> > > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS forward
> > one
> > > > character each.
> > >
> > > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > > Computer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
--
V
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:30:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>
> Aaron> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> >> >>and that that somehow prevented young girls from entering
> >> >> into Math/Science.
>
> >> >Barbie dolls didn't stop me.
>
> >> Personally, I wonder who the dumbass was who programmed in the
> >> "Math is haaaaaaard" into them at one point.
>
> Aaron> A realist.
>
> Math is not harder than any other topic. That it is
> is a self perpetuating myth. Thankfully for my daughters,
> my wife majored in math and is an actuary.
>
> Both daughters love math and do great at it. My twelve year
> old wants to solve the Twin Prime Conjecture (she also wants
> to cure cancer using molecular biology, so we will see where
> she ends up).
>
> --
> Andrew Hall
> (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
People who brag about their kids irritate me.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:16:06 GMT
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9c9f5s$7ol$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JoFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... <snip> >
> >> Tell me Jon,
> >>
> >> How do you achieve 5 9s *regularly* with server software that has been
> >> out for just over a year? Remember that 5 9s reliability is a
> >> statistical measure, and your sample is too small to be trustworthy.
> >> Once again, someone who knows virtually nothing about advanced server
> >> concepts can beat you on simple logic. You're not very smart are you?
> >> One good crash and your much-touted W2k servers are down to 4 9s *at
> >> best*.
> >>
> >> Mart
> >>
> >>
> > So your saying that 1000's of servers giving 5 9's reliability for 1-2
> > years is not good enough. Whats makes you think that years 3-4 will be
> > any different. Do you have ANY issues which could arise in year 3 and
> > not in year 1 or 2?
> >
> Ok,
>
> 1. Jon didn't qualify how many servers he had in his setup, so I
> obviously can't comment on that, and neither can you, unless you *are*
> Jon Johansen.
> 2. 1-2 years? FYI Windows 2000 was introduced in February 2000. I don't
> know if Datacenter Server was available right from the start but given
> that it was, that's 1 year and 2 months, nowhere *near* 2 years. I remain
> steadfastly convinced that 1 year is not a good sample size for server
> reliability. Now come back when you've had your cluster up and running
> for 5 years.
> 3. The most damaging of all: it takes a cluster of 1000's of machines to
> get 5 9's??!!!
I don't know who would set up a cluster of 1000's of boxes for anything
other than calculating distances in space or something.
Win2K can do in a fraction what an IBM or Sun big-iron box can do, and
for a fraction of the cost:
www.tpc.org
-c
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:31:21 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Ahh.. I see. When your wild ass statements are proven wrong, all you can do
> is call people names.
>
> Nice to know you're in good company here then.
Then what are you doing here then??
>
> "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c2lkr$66m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > it seems the point is that you are a microsoft zombie
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:rJ4F6.9496$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > And your point is what? You are making wild ass statements without
> > anything
> > > to back them up.
> > >
> > > MicroPro was founded in 1978, three years after Microsoft.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://sanfrancisco.bcentral.com/sanfrancisco/stories/1996/11/11/story3.html
> > >
> > > "Rubinstein's earlier creations made him a pile of money, but early
> exits
> > > and bittersweet endings tarnished their success. His ambitions for
> Prompt
> > > Software are driven in part by his failure to stay with MicroPro and
> make
> > > the company a household name. He founded the company in 1978, drove
> sales
> > to
> > > $70 million and was its largest shareholder when it went public in 1984.
> > > However, he lost day-to-day control in a corporate coup, which was
> carried
> > > out while he lay in a hospital bed with a near fatal coronary in 1983."
> > >
> > > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9c2il2$m5g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > see http://www.scrounge.org/worstar.html
> > > >
> > > > "During the period from the mid 1970's to the mid 1980's MicroPro
> > WordStar
> > > > ruled. WordStar was the first word processing program that was
> produced
> > > for
> > > > microcomputers.
> > > > These early, um, personal computers typically ran the CP/M operating
> > > system,
> > > > that, quite frankly, bears a remarkable similarity to the MS/DOS
> > operating
> > > > system that we (mostly) are now using. (Except that it had no
> > > > subdirectories. This wasn't quite as bad as it seems, because most
> users
> > > > only used floppy diskettes, and separating things onto different
> > diskettes
> > > > served the same purpose as separating things into separate
> > > subdirectories.)
> > > > "
> > > >
> > > > there's more...
> > > >
> > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > > > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> > > > >
> > > > > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into
> being?
> > > > >
> > > > > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> > > > >
> > > > > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
> > > OS/2
> > > > > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to
> Windows
> > > New
> > > > > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
> > > anything
> > > > > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> > > > >
> > > > > > for those that
> > > > > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS
> > forward
> > > > one
> > > > > > character each.
> > > > >
> > > > > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > > > > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > > > > Computer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:34:02 -0700
Peter da Silva wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > Very good. Now....name one piece of HIGH QUALITY Microsoft code
> > > > that didn't originate in ANOTHER company?
>
> > > Xenix?
>
> > Cheap imitation of AT&T Unix.
>
> It was a licensed port, and at the time it was one of the more reliable
> ones. And it was popular, to the point where Xenix-68k on the TRS-80 Model
> 16 was *the* most popular UNIX port in existence.
>
> Don't judge Xenix by what happened to it after SCO split off from Microsoft.
>
I heard that Xenix wasn't all that good. As a matter of fact, it was
the poorest O/S around at the time. Even DOD wouldn't accept it.
> --
> `-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
> 'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:41:44 -0700
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Terry Porter wrote:
>
> > You still don't get it, Linux **DOES NOT WANT TO REPLACE** Windows!
>
> That's why I see articles like "SuSE 7.1 is a Windows killer"?
>
> > That would be like a Hornet wanting to replace a Cesna light aircraft!
>
> Better tell the folks at SuSE then!
>
> >> When those few problems exceed the thing that you're switching away
> >> from... what then?
> >
> > Then try something else to solve your problems.
>
> I've tried Windows. I've tried Linux. Oh I'll try Macinstosh next, shall I?
>
Hey, that's not a bad idea! But one and report what you find. I'd be
interested.
> > Oh I'd enjoy that, I'm exactly the pita in real life that I appear to be
> > here on COLA :)
>
> I don't like the Jerry Springer show, so I wouldn't enjoy it 8(.
>
> --
> Pete
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:45:25 -0700
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > JS PL wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
> > > and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
> > >
> >
> > MS_DOS was low cost and the others were artificially high.
>
> Presumably their makers throught they were worth it.
>
> Can't think why.
>
> [snip]
> > > It was also so trivial that it bought Microsoft
> > > very little. It was Windows that put MS where
> > > they are now- but that is another story.
> >
> > It was having DOS chosen by IBM and the later per processor licenses
> > that did it.
>
> As I said, IBM offered three choices and MS-DOS was
> the one consumers favored early on. But that didn't
> matter much- had (say) CP/M won out, Microsoft
> could still have persued their Windows strategy
> by running Windows on CP/M.
>
> Microsoft's volume discounts were no doubt helpful
> in a general way later on, but hardly a primary factor.
>
> OEMs, after all, had to be shipped volume before volume
> discounts made any sense for them.
Actually, IBM approached Digital Research first about using their o/s.
DR screwed around and IBM was approached by microsoft. Bill knew it and
didn't waste any time persuading IBM.
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