Linux-Advocacy Digest #10, Volume #32 Tue, 6 Feb 01 11:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Old Flame(war)s [ was Bill Gates and Michael Dell ] ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!! (sfcybear)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Ben Reiter)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Ben Reiter)
Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ("surrender")
Re: X-windows...the best ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:09:51 -0500
pip wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [crap snipped]
> > Don't believe me?
> >
> > I suggest you try Linux for yourself and make your own mind up.
> >
> > Flatfish
> > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > Remove the ++++ to reply.
>
> Why are you _so_ scared of Linux? Are you worried
> that one day it will be better than anything you could buy
> from microsoft?
>
> btw, if you are talking about "joe public", I don't
> think that care about OS at all - they just want something
> that works and does what they want it too. By this measure,
> no OS (should relly say "system") fits "joe public's" need yet - they
> all suck.
True. Microsoft *had* their opportunity.
They've not only dropped the ball, but they keep poking it
with an ice pick.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Old Flame(war)s [ was Bill Gates and Michael Dell ]
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:11:09 -0500
Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >> Most of the serious CP/M systems were Zenith, Heathkit, etc, at the
> > >> time. I bought a Z80 board with CP/M for my Apple II but I wasn't
> > >> terribly impressed. I didn't like the Apple II much, either. I thought
> > >> the TRaSh80 was much better. Or did the Model II run CP/M? About all I
> > >> can remember is it used 8" floppies.
> >
> > Heath/zenith's (really the same thing) computers were toys compared to
> > quality S-100 systems.
> >
>
> Hey guys, how about all us BOFs forget about this newfangled Windows vs
> Linux stuff and get back to the *real* flame wars - TRS80 vs Apple vs
> CP/M ;-)
>
> We can all get out our home-made RS-232 adapters and acoustic couplers
> and flame away at 120 bps (who could afford 300 bps?)
And don't forget the teletype paper.
>
> How can 20 years have gone so fast? Hell, this makes me feel old
> well, middle-aged anyway :-(
Yes, it *has* been fast, hasn't it.
>
> and the funny thing about all this is that Unix systems were something
> most of us could only *dream* of using back then unless we were University
> students. Now they're running the world and we get *paid* for using them.
>
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:12:26 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip>
> > Start writing letters to manufacturers AND vendors and retailers that
> > you will *NOT* buy any product for which an open source driver is
> > not in existance.
> >
> > You might also mention that you make, or advise upon, hardware
> > purchasing within your company.
>
> So, you were thinking of running an actual computer eh? hahaa
Fuck, I've DESIGNED AND BUILT computers from scratch (that is,
*no* motherboard...had to wire up all that stuff myself).
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:13:40 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:63Pf6.560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:95lj67$5ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > I hope it wont. I use Win98 at home because I like to play games.
> > > > > > However, each successive release of Windows appears to be trying
> to
> > > take
> > > > > > more and more control out of my hands, which I will not permit on
> > my
> > > > > > computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > You want to talk about 9x and control? LOL.
> > > >
> > > > Yep. I'm not talking about the control you need in a work
> environment,
> > > > control over security - I knew MS was pretty short on that when I
> first
> > > > installed Win98.
> > > >
> > > > I'm talking about freedom and control over my own personal machine. I
> > > > can do almost anything I damn well please under 98, including useful
> > > > tasks like creating a bootdisk (fuck you, WinME). Win98 almost never
> > > > pops up and says "You cannot do this", and if it does, I can bloody
> > well
> > > > get to DOS and do it anyway.
> > >
> > > Well, I suggest that you would wait and get Whistler when it's out.
> > > Really cool OS, and none of the you-are-too-stupid-to-use-this nonesense
> > > from ME.
> > > And, anyway, rumor says that Whistler personal will be only 50$ - 90$
> > > (For comparison, ME (and 2K upgrade) is $169.99 )
> >
> > Thanks but no thanks...Windows 2000 Professional is the end of the line
> for
> > me. Whistler is totally unnecessary and .NET will NEVER pollute one of my
> > machines. It's about as transparent a money vacuum as DIVX was. We will
> > neither utilize it nor develop for it - period. It is something to be
> > viewed with disdain, not anticipation. Only the severely short-sighted
> > would actually welcome such a system.
>
> Tom:
> "I used to drive one of them model-T auto-mo-biles and then drove me a horse
> and that darned horse never had a flat tire or broke down on some old dirt
> road - now they say there is some new fangled newer auto-mo-bile coming
> out - ahhhhh - phewie. I already rode one of thme and anyone buying one of
> those auto-mo-bile things is short-sighted, it'll never last. I'll keep my
> trusty horse, you don't need to go no faster than 30 mph or ride more than
> double up or nothing! damn whipper snappers, i prefer old horse pockey
> rather than those new advanced gadget things"
>
> Short-sighted? ahahaha, you are really funny. You talk like you actually
> think linux will be anything more than what oS/2 is today or the amiga os or
> dr-dos or macOS or...
What? Your car doesn't have retractible windshield wipers?
Hell, you're just out of it...it's only $75,000..
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!!
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:18:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> pip wrote:
> >
> > mlw wrote:
> > >
> > > bigbinc wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > (2)I can run an X program on any machine and display its windows
on any other
> > > machine. (MS can't even come close.)
> >
> > if you can remember:
> > xauth +ip (and remember the security problems)
> > export DISPLAY=ip:0
>
> oops:
> set DISPLAY=DISPLAY+ip:0
> export DISPLAY
>
> is it? let me check the documentation again........
>
> :-)
export DISPLAY=ip:0
Under bash
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Ben Reiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:35:30 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, G3
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Black Dragon at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/5/01 10:41 PM:
>
> > : Ah, the IBM M-series ;) the massive clicky monstrosity that strikes
> > : fear into the hearts of LAN gamers everywhere... Between that and the
> > : Apple USB Extended II, The Just Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore.
>
> You mean ADB Extended II right? The USB Extended 2 is pretty new.
oops, yeah. you're right. me big dork. big tired dork.
The ADB extended 2 is the one I meant. You know, the one that looks and
feels like an aircraft carrier?
\Ben
--
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard
those who think alike than those who think differently" - Nietzche
"Think Different" - Apple
My address above has no spamproofing - spam me, and I'll get your throwaway
account cancelled, guaranteed.
------------------------------
From: Ben Reiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:38:20 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon) wrote:
> Got any left-side Function Key, keyboards? I know a number of CAD/CAM
> jockeys (including myself) that would love to get there meat-hooks
> on a few of those animals, and they are rather scarce today.
None that I've seen, but if you're anywhere near a largish university,
check out the salvage yards. Never know what you'll find - and it's not
all keyboards, either. I got a new-in-box Sun 17" color display for
$25...!? Who prices this stuff?
\Ben
--
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard
those who think alike than those who think differently" - Nietzche
"Think Different" - Apple
My address above has no spamproofing - spam me, and I'll get your throwaway
account cancelled, guaranteed.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!!
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:49:46 -0500
Robert Morelli wrote:
>
> In article <95o4np$d5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bigbinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I am very pissed off. I like Linux and Unix. I have been studying the
> > works of Linux from his earlier versions of linux and it is very good
> > modification of the minix system. The author of Minix actual argues
> > that a microkernel based is more efficient but linux still is more
> > powerful. Anyway, with all that said, Linux the Os is Cool. What is it
> > missing, a GUI that is worthy something. And, I have been trying x-
> > windows and I just quit because I just found out how crappy the system
> > is and a waste of my time. I would rather have more fun writing an
> > alternative and wonder if someone has(I think I will actually). Because
> > X-windows is just too bothersome. Does anybody else agree?
>
> I do agree. You might want to have a look at
>
> http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/talks/usenix2000/render.html
>
> which explains the historical context in which the highly limited
> X Window system was created, and laments the 13 years of
> stagnation that have left us in the technological hole we're now in.
>
> Many Linux/Unix users live in denial about how poor Linux
> technologies like X Window are. This is very unfortunate because
> it contributes to the kind of extreme stagnation that those of us
> who'd like something better must suffer through. Sadly, your
> posting here will probably only generate some flames.
In the 15 years that Microsoft has been in existance, has ANYBODY
outside of the Unix/Linux community presented a way to put an
arbitrary number of FULLY FUNCTIONAL GUI interface on remote machines?
>
> > Berlin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > This guy agrees with me.
> > http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
> >
> > --
> > "...yes darling, computers are people too..."
> > bama.ua.edu/~brown084
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "surrender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:50:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote something like:
[why linux sucks on the desktop acoording to flatfish]
Why do you keep telling that us linux isn't ready for the desktop over and
over again. I don't think that you will convince a lot of people who have
made linux their primary o/s to switch back to windows. And if Joe user
wants to keep using windows, that's ok for me. I even think I would turn
to another o/s if everybody was using linux. Maybe because I would find
it lame to use the same o/s as everybody, maybe as a challenge, maybe
because I like the idea of not having to pay for my software. I
don't really know why I switched from windows to linux, and I can assure
you that it wasn't an easy step. But now that I know how to use it, I
really like it, and this kind of posts won't make me turn back to windows.
Just my 0.02.
--
Greets
surrender
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-windows...the best
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:00:42 -0500
bigbinc wrote:
>
> I am very pissed off. I like Linux and Unix. I have been studying the
> works of Linux from his earlier versions of linux and it is very good
> modification of the minix system. The author of Minix actual argues
> that a microkernel based is more efficient but linux still is more
> powerful. Anyway, with all that said, Linux the Os is Cool. What is
> it missing, a GUI that is worthy something. And, I have been trying x-
> windows and I just quit because I just found out how crappy the system
> is and a waste of my time. I would rather have more fun writing an
> alternative and wonder if someone has(I think I will actually).
> Because X-windows is just too bothersome. Does anybody else agree?
>
Name a better protocol....just one
> Berlin Brown
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> This guy agrees with me.
> http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
>
> --
> "...yes darling, computers are people too..."
> bama.ua.edu/~brown084
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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