Linux-Advocacy Digest #50, Volume #32 Thu, 8 Feb 01 07:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What .NET is... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:49:52 -0500
Jasper wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:00:23 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:19:38 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> None of which indicates if Funkenbusch knows what the fuck .NET really is.
> >> >>
> >> >> I want *HIM* to explain it.
> >> >
> >> >What you want is irrelevant. I've said all i'm going to say. I'm not going
> >> >to write a book just because *YOU* want me to. The subject is way too
> >> >comprehensive for a simple usenet post.
> >> >
> >>
> >> In other words: he can't explain it either. There is no 'there'
> >> there.
> >
> >He has discussed it intelligently on several occasions.
> >
> >He refuses to tell you guys because your ignorant AND arrogant at the same
> >time. Demanding someone to teach you something doesn't get you very far
> >in life. There are thousands of web pages and articles dedicated to .NET,
> >even the most basic search would turn up tons of information.
> >
> >-Chad
> >
>
> In my opinion EF is one of the most informative posters in the OS
> advocacy groups.
Yes, if you are completely ignorant of computing technology, EF will
be able to inform you of things you previously did not know.
However, if you are someone who started programming 20 years ago, studied
computer systems engineering at one of the 10 best universities in the world
for such studies, has worked for several years doing systems engineering,
administration, and related tasks, and now works as a consultant at VERY
high hourly rates.... then it is very easy to see that for every intelligent
thing EF says, he says another 20 that are completely contrary to reality.
> He has on numerous times broken down invalid
> assertions of many an advocate within these groups using soundly based
> technical arguments.
Even a stop clock is correct twice a day.
And one that runs at 3x speed is correct 6 times/day.
Neither of which implies that the clock is a trustworthy indicator of the
time.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:52:36 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>You should really read up on it. All that stuff that Sun promised about
> >>Java, but never came through on? That's .NET, plus more.
> >>i
>
> Indeed. Its everything that sun promised, minus the cross platform
> capabilities.
>
> Its a stupid idea, bad implementation, and utterly useless.
Stupid and bad for the fool who buys it for use at home or work, that is.
>
> Just like everything else microsoft has done for the past 10 years.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What .NET is...
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:56:41 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It's late.
>
> Okay, seriously, I saw a book in the store about C# programming. Yeah
> yeah, C# != .NET, but still the two kind of go hand-in-hand, right? The
> advent of one brings on the other, right? Also, I turned down a job
> recently where the company was getting into .NET technology, but hadn't
> had much to do just yet.
>
> My question is, has anybody besides the folks at Wrox (company that
> published the book, you know, the line of books with all the
> funny-looking guys on the covers) had occasion to work with any of this
> stuff yet? Diddling or tinkering or actual workplace implementation of
> betas or what-not?
>
> I'm genuinely curious. I don't have a Java bias or anything.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
NOBODY knows what the fuck .NET is.
It's vaporware. That's why the descriptions are sooooooo vague.
It's all "it will allow you to [blah blah blah]"
When somebody tries to sell me on something ONLY by telling me, not what
the product itself does...but what I'm supposed to achieve using it...well,
my bullshit meter gets pegged REAL quickly....who says I can't achieve that
same results just as well WITHOUT this product?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:57:53 -0500
Simon Palko wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Simon Palko wrote:
> > > No it's not.
> > >
> > > I've got an HP Visualize C240 sitting next to me, but I'm more the
> > > exception. The CAE guys tend to have a couple SGI or HP stations, but
> they
> > > ALL have a Windows desktop. That's the standard.
> >
> > Not for automotive CAD/CAM/CAE work.
> >
> > And at GM, Ford, etc....Applix is the standard office suite for these
> users.
>
> /me points at his header.
My header is forged for security purposes.
It obscures what platform I'm actually using.
>
> No, it's not. All the CAE guys I know have Windows stations as well. And
> MS Office is the standard office suite company-wide.
You're saying that the CAE guys have TWO computers on their desks?
Yeah, right...
>
> --
> -Simon Palko
>
> "More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
> backs!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:58:21 -0500
Simon Palko wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Simon Palko wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > > > YES....in fact, I ***DEMAND*** that anybody who does business with
> > > > me do it in an honest fashion.
> > > >
> > > > Those who don't....suffer the consequences.
> > >
> > > Those being... losing your business?
> >
> > More than that.
>
> Of course, I assume you're now talking about bringing suit for breach of
> contract, or something similar.
That's one possibility.
>
> > > How droll.
> >
> > Your imagination must be severely limited.
>
> Well, since you were unclear on the level of Gates's "dishonesty", I
> couldn't really be sure what you were talking about. I assumed you meant
> the hyperbole of Windows reliability, not actual breach of contract. Can
> you bring suit over hyperbole?
To start with...Fraud
>
> --
> -Simon Palko
>
> "More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
> backs!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: 8 Feb 2001 12:00:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> YEAH! Everything that bad old SUN company promised to do but
:> never came thru on.
: Yes, such as submitting Java to ISO, and then ECMA for standardization.
:> Perhaps the $20 million Microsoft just agree'd to pay them for
:> *STEALING JAVA* in the first place might have had something
:> to do with that.
: You haven't a clue. The $20 million was to buy out their existing contract
: with Sun. Sure, they won the battle, but they lost the war. Microsoft
: can't use the Java compatible logo, but Java doesn't mean anything anymore.
You live in a rather small and sad world.
In the real world, Java is becoming as dominant in distributed
computing as Mafia$oft products are on the desktop. And, yes, that
dominance concerns me, since I'm now seeing it used even in situations
where it isn't appropriate. But it concerns me far less than it would
if it were a single-vendor, single-platform product, with no source
available, manufactured by an organized crime racket instead of a
law-abiding company or organization.
Mafia$oft's crimes have indeed delayed the acceptance of Java on the
desktop, but lots of folks are finding that Java desktop applications
(not applets) can overcome many of the limitations of a thin-client
architecture while retaining most of its advantages. So don't count
it out there either. There is a need for Java on the desktop, and
whatever its real or perceived limitations in that role may be, it's
not going to go away until either the need disappears, or something
comes along that can better fill that need.
Joe
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:03:12 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:15:11 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, since C# and the CLR are now ECMA standards, this is a possibilty.
> > >The real benefit of .NET will be the Java-like cross platform capability
> > >(think CE, 32 bit windows, 64 bit windows, MacOS X all from the same EXE,
> > >each optimized for their own platforms by the .NET runtime compiler
> (which
> > >is much more like SmallTalk than Java))
> >
> > Ok, so why won't this suffer from the same "write once test many times"
> > problems that Java (and every other cross-platform language) has?
> > Further, what's to stop MS from enhancing the ECMA standard with things
> > that only work on Windows, as they attempted to do with Java? What do
> > you suppose will happen if they do that? Why _wouldn't_ they do that?
>
> I didn't say it wouldn't. The failure of WORA was not Java's failure, but
> rather Sun's refusal to relinquish control enough to allow standardization
> and to implement what needed to be implemented and their constant promising
> of things they couldn't deliver in a timely fasion. Java might have
> succeeded if Sun had been able to put enough resources into it to do even a
> fraction of what MS has already done in beta with .NET.
LIAR.
Java already DOES conform to a standard defined in published documents.
Microcrap was trying to debase Java by adding Microcrap-only extensions,
which violates the entire purpose of Java in the first place.
And THAT is why they eventually cried UNCLE in the Sun suit...because they
didn't want the public to get a peek at all the internal memos showing that
Microcrap managers FEAR AND LOATH the concept of software that isn't tied
down to Microcrap platforms.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:05:04 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Steve Mading wrote:
> :> True. That has no bearing here, where you are using incorrect
> :> definitions (hint, no other dictionary agrees with Websters
> :> on this). Regardless of the definition being used, to apply
> :> a belief to a group of people who don't hold it is a strawman.
>
> : If you believe in the existance of god(s), then you area theist.
> : If you believe in the non-existance of god(s), then you are an atheist.
> : If you have no belief either way, you are an agnostic.
>
> : I'm not proscribing your belief, I'm merely telling you what it's name is.
>
> If your definition were the correct one, then the vast majority of
> those who label themselves atheist would all be wrong. Normally,
> it is entirely possible for a majority of people to be mistaken, but
> not in this case, given that word definitions are arbitrary - what
> the majority of atheists say the definition is, it is.
The prefix "a-" for "not-" implies "anti-", not "without-"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:07:40 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : The point is...C provides programming structures (such as break)
> : to handle nearly every contingency, such that the appearance of
> : goto should be a VERY rare occurance.
>
> Try/Catch exception handling doesn't exist, and so that's an
> area where gotos still have a very valid place in C. Once you
> have a few nested loops, maintianing a "get out now" emergency
> panic becomes easier with goto. To avoid goto you have to
> do something like this:
> while( normal_condition_1 && ! panic )
> {
> while( normal_condition_2 && ! panic )
> {
> while( normal_condition_3 && ! panic )
> {
> if( problem )
> {
> panic = true;
> break;
> }
> }
> if( panic ) break;
>
> ..rest of code for this loop..
> }
> if( panic ) break;
>
> ..rest of code for this loop..
> }
>
> That becomes uglier to maintain after a while than a simple goto.
True...so, based on the fact that the Windows kernel code has gotos
at a frequency greater than 5%, then there must be an INCREDIBLE amount
of exception-handling in the Windows kernels...
With all of that exception handling, how does anything else get done?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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