Linux-Advocacy Digest #79, Volume #32 Fri, 9 Feb 01 17:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: User Interfaces in the world of Linux... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Simon Palko")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Simon Palko")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux Servers require Weekly Rebooting (Cool Microsoft FUD and Warner research
for your reading pleasure) ("Adam Warner")
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? (Aaron Kulkis)
Phat Linux versus Windows ("Johan De Clerck")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (chrisv)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: Phat Linux versus Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does Code Decay (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Does Code Decay (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Does Code Decay (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Karel Jansens)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Karel Jansens)
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (chrisv)
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux?
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:27:40 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : One of the profs (young guy who I used to hang out with some times)
> : pointed out that SIMD has a fatal flaw (can't remember exactly what
> : it is), which really fucks up the concept and makes it impossible
> : (as far as we know) to write a reliable compiler.
>
> One flaw is that for small jobs, you waste a lot of the computing power.
>
> I guess there's a fundimental limit of data bus size.
No...it's not that.
It's that MIMD just doesn't work....not only at the practical level,
but even at the theoretical level...
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User Interfaces in the world of Linux...
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:29:10 +0000
> Newbie: How do I shut down Windows?
> Guru: Well, first you click on the "Start" button...
> Newbie: Hold it. Click "Start" to shut down?
> Guru: Ummm...yeah, it's weird, but....
Depending on how new the newbie, it can be like this (this is my
experience which proves to me that NO GUI, not wven Windows is intuitive)
Me: Click on the start button
Newbie: What ?!
Me: You see `Start' in the bottom left of the screen
Newbie: Yep. Doesn't look much like a button.
Me: Um. Well, you can push it (bu clicking on it) so it works like a
button. Anyway, move the mouse over it.
Newbie <moves mouse>
Me: Now click on it with the left button.
Newbie: <Clicks on button> Hey! why did it go away?
(The newbie dragged a little bit when clicking and the menu disappeared)
Anyway, it went on like this for a while until she picked it up.
It has to be said that she never had a problem with the keyboard. The GUI
was the main source of problems.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:44:18 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Simon Palko wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Simon Palko wrote:
> > > > No it's not.
> > > >
> > > > I've got an HP Visualize C240 sitting next to me, but I'm more the
> > > > exception. The CAE guys tend to have a couple SGI or HP stations,
but
> > they
> > > > ALL have a Windows desktop. That's the standard.
> > >
> > > Not for automotive CAD/CAM/CAE work.
> > >
> > > And at GM, Ford, etc....Applix is the standard office suite for these
> > users.
> >
> > /me points at his header.
>
> My header is forged for security purposes.
> It obscures what platform I'm actually using.
Mine's not. Feel free to drop me an email for confirmation.
> > No, it's not. All the CAE guys I know have Windows stations as well.
And
> > MS Office is the standard office suite company-wide.
>
> You're saying that the CAE guys have TWO computers on their desks?
>
> Yeah, right...
No, it's often three or four. But usually at least two.
Have you *EVER* been to a Ford engineering office?
--
-Simon Palko
"More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
backs!"
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From: "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:58:52 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Simon Palko wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > No..it's the utterly IDIOTIC concept of not merely allowing, but
actually
> > > ENCOURAGING 3rd party apps to replace system DLL's willy-nilly.
> > >
> > > Any 3rd-year computer science or computer engineering student can
> > > tell you that this is a prescription for utter chaos and disaster.
> >
> > *yawn*
> >
> > And Aaron shows more of his utter ignorance of Windows. Win2k and WinME
> > specifically protect against just this.
>
> Microsoft makes LOTS of promises.
> Few are ever fulfilled.
Are you going to ever contribute anything of substance to this thread, or
are you just going to continue your Quixotic, tilting-at-the-MS-windmills
crusade?
This protection works perfectly well in 2k.
--
-Simon Palko
"More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
backs!"
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:30:43 +0000
> Then why doesn't Linux have a unified printer model? (Was that CUPS?)
It does. You dump out postscript, and let the printer/filter deal with
it. Any app can print to any printer.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Servers require Weekly Rebooting (Cool Microsoft FUD and Warner
research for your reading pleasure)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:31:37 GMT
Hi Mig,
> Hopefully you grabbed the info so that it can be used later on
counter-FUD.
I did print all the info out. You never know when everything will disappear.
> What about posting factual information like this on phorums used by MS or
> coming MS customers ?
Someone can feel free to forward/rewrite this in, for example, nt.advocacy.
I just appreciate the lack of noise. You will notice that I have received no
responses to this or Microsoft's SBS 2000 versus Linux article from any
steadfast Microsoft supporter. They're embarrassed at Microsoft's conduct.
That's fine. Sometimes silence can be deafening.
This is a very funny commentary on how anti-Linux rhetoric has shifted over
the years:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2682654,00.html
Regards,
Adam
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux?
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:32:07 -0500
Darin Johnson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > One of the profs (young guy who I used to hang out with some times)
> > pointed out that SIMD has a fatal flaw (can't remember exactly what
> > it is), which really fucks up the concept and makes it impossible
> > (as far as we know) to write a reliable compiler.
>
> Well, if your favorite application doesn't run well under SIMD, then
> SIMD has a fatal flaw :-) If something doesn't do what you want it
> to, then it's useless. It's a flaw in logic though to assume that
> if it's useless to you then it must be useless to everyone.
It's not a question of running "well" or not..it's a question of being
able to even writing a compiler that can produce reliable object code.
>
> Another logic flaw is in assuming you need a compiler that will
> convert a normal program into something that will utilize the
> machine to its fullest. The Fortran fallacy. Ie, physicists with
Again, it's not a question of degree (i.e utilize "to the fullest")
but whether such a compiler can be written at all.
So far, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has been able to
successfully write a SIMD compiler....period.
> any dusty decks of Fortran code can't be bothered to parallelize
> their code beyond vectorization (no fault of theirs though), and
> who would rather get a faster computer or lobby Cray to improve
> their compiler. Those that do rewrite code to make better use of
> parallelism are often those without the big budgets to get the
> faster computers (and who also have the ear of some numerical
> analysts and applied mathemeticians who can help).
>
> The Connection Machine 2 (a massively SIMD computer) could do some
> amazing things, but there were plenty of mundane things it could not
> do as well :-) Interestingly, it was often used for symbolic AI
> functions, something you wouldn't expect to see on a typical parallel
> computer. It wasn't an 8, 16, or 64 node machine, that's silly for
> SIMD; it had 64 THOUSAND processors.
>
> The CM2 and CM5 were very cool looking too. (inspiration for the Borg?)
>
> > This is why SIMD has fallen to the wayside and MIMD (Multiple Instruciton,
> > Multiple Data...i.e. basically "independant" CPUs working off of the same
> > main memory store) is the only multi-CPU architecture you see today.
>
> No, mostly because MIMD can be more general purpose and is easier to
> market to the masses. Those with money (large government grants) to
> pay for extremely expensive computers tend to be those doing MIMD type
> problems too (problems for which the government is will to spend big
> grants on).
>
> (though in your average PC you can probably find SIMD principles
> buried inside various processors)
Possibly...like graphics and sound cards...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Johan De Clerck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Phat Linux versus Windows
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:30:37 +0100
Can i really install Phat Linux without losing Windows?? (Or do I to
repartition my HD?).
If yes (on the first question): do you have to install it via Windows-itself
or via MS-DOS?
Thanks
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:33:10 +0000
> Yeah, right, you have said so much BS that you can not be beleived,
> period. You might try not printing an executable file next time
LINUX SUX AND CANNOT PRINT I TYPES
lpr -Plp1 /usr/bin/gimp
AND I GOT PAGES OF ASCII. WINDOWS WOULD NOT DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS USER
FRIENDLY UNLIKE LINSUXX WHICH SUX. YOU ALL STINK AND SHOULD GO BACK TO
PIRATING CDs.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:36:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>Whilst downloading scores of binaries from select newsgroups under windowsME,
>I discovered that the client im using for downloading has a severe memory
>leak problem.
"binaries from select newsgroups" Yeah we understand... 8)
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 9 Feb 2001 21:33:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : How can you know, think, affirm or deny anything if you don't
:> : believe anything?
:> : "The Earth is positivly, absolutly not flat", implies that I have some
:> : beliefs concerning the shape of the Earth.
:> : Please give me one example of a subject that I deny a statement,
:> : but don't have any belief associated with it.
:> You owe me $1000. Pay up. If you deny this, is that a new
:> belief on your part that you didn't have before you read this
:> post?
: Sure is.
Then we are at an impasse. To me, such a thing is not a belief.
Hearing a claim and not believing it is identical to not having
heard the claim in the first place, in terms of how much quantity
of belief you have about said claim.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Phat Linux versus Windows
Date: 9 Feb 2001 21:40:30 GMT
Johan De Clerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can i really install Phat Linux without losing Windows?? (Or do I to
> repartition my HD?).
> If yes (on the first question): do you have to install it via Windows-itself
> or via MS-DOS?
Stay far, far away from phatlinux. It is the absolute worst distribution
there is, bar none, for every reason.
=====.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:40:58 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> : > That's the Johnny Cash approach, one piece at a time. (: While we allegedly
> : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> : That was pretty funny.
>
> An obvious reference to the song about the car stolen from the factory by
> smuggling out each part.
>
> : With conventional explosives, you have to get physically quit close to
> : the target.
>
> : With suitcase nukes, you nearly need to get in the same city (although,
> : it works better if you can set it off at the top of a skyscraper.)
>
> A suitcase nuke isn't a full-size strategic weapon, but sized similar to the
> nuke artillery shell, with a fairly small yield. But you need only place the
> nuke within a few blocks of the target. Small versions may be "only" a
> kilotonne, about 500 times the Tim McVeigh explosion. It'll fuck up a
> downtown.
>
> Modern H-bombs could be built a la Johnny Cash out in a rural spot by the
> agents, and delivered by Ryder truck or similar. A cover could be a small
> trucking firm to always have a truck at the ready. Delivery is by the Tim
> McVeigh method.
You don't even need that... We're talking about something the size of
a softball. You can merely make a sphere with a cylinder hollowed out
of it...and a matching cylinder which drops (by gravity) into the
hollowed-out space. Then make a time-delay device that gives you a
two-hour delay.
Simply setup the suitcase in a janitor's closet in a sky-scraper...
Super-glue the thing into place so that nobody tampers with it.
The only thing that is beyond the means of run-of-the-mill terrorists
is getting their hands on enough plutonium.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:43:28 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Thanks...without the explanation, it would have been equally murky...but
> : yeah, that makes sense.
>
> : Doesn't transfer well to nuke power/bombs, though.
>
> Depends on the builder. A well-heeled government can get it right. But a
> homepower enthusiast making a basement nuke plant would make a chernobyl and a
Only if he's stupid enough to use carbon-brick for neutron-absorbing
material.
Simple tapwater is more effective AND has no fire hazard.
> home A-bomb maker is likely to build a dirty dud.
Only if he's trying to get a low-material/high-yield device by
increasing the pressure with explosive charges.
Get enough fissionable material, and you merely have to drop plug-B
into hollowed-out-part-A, and the thing goes off...in a foolproof
manner.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:44:20 -0500
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 03:40:20 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Bloody Viking wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > : On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:34:00 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > : >Kind of like the nuclear-fission handgrenade, but without the benefits.
> > >
> > > : ...they actually did make fission artillery shells...
> > >
> > > And the Russians made briefcase nukes. (actually suitcase sized) Some of these
> > > porta-nukes are floating around "missing" from the Russian stash. We Yanks
> > > worked on a briefcase nuke but abandoned the idea.
> >
> > How can you be sure?
> >
> > I dreamed up the same concept in junior high...simply put the components in
> > diplomatic pouches....and slowly build them in country. Or smuggle them to
> > an agent living in the country
>
> Wasn't that the plot of the Michael Caine film "The Fourth Protocol"?
Don't know.
But it's not a particularly difficult scheme to come up with...
>
> Peter
> --
>
> In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
> from 500 miles away in India.
> This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
> the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:51:15 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> > "God" is, by definition, "the First Cause".
>
> Is it? So all the greek gods weren't gods then? Because they all originated
> from some other higher power... And then THAT higher power had an ancestry
> too.
>
> They same could be said for almost every pantheistic religion out there.
>
Actually, the classic Greek mythology did have a divine entity which
comes very close to the definition I gave; they called her Fate.
Most pantheistic religions are more akin to animism, but 'evolved'
pantheism will usually include a creation myth.
What I was trying to make clear is that to a modern, monotheistically
inclined, religeous person (I really should have included those
limitations; that's what you get for assuming too much) God is the
first cause. There is no need to come up with meta-god or grandad god,
because the line (that's the line of causality, that is) stops at God.
That is also the reason why a religeous person shouldn't be bothered
with trying to find an explanation for God, because He _is_ the
explanation.
Is there a philosophy newsgroups somewhere where this discussion would
not be so wildly off-topic?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:52:19 +0100
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "God" is, by definition, "the First Cause".
>
> this is begs the question and renders your argment completely
> meaningless.
>
I am afraid this doesn't parse at all. Could you rephrase that,
please?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:54:24 GMT
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The majority simply need email and web browsing,
>maybe a quick editor to bang out a recipe or a letter
>to grandma.
>
>Paying the windows tax for this makes little sense.
Nonsense. Even my 6 year old daughter has dozens of apps she runs on
her machine. Are ANY of these available on Linux? Not.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux?
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:55:13 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : One of the profs (young guy who I used to hang out with some times)
> : pointed out that SIMD has a fatal flaw (can't remember exactly what
> : it is), which really fucks up the concept and makes it impossible
> : (as far as we know) to write a reliable compiler.
>
> One flaw is that for small jobs, you waste a lot of the computing power.
>
> I guess there's a fundimental limit of data bus size.
It's not a matter of waste or efficiency...it's that...in general,
SIMD just doesn't work.
Ah...i remember the prof's name now.
Hank Deitz.
He's just move to U of Ky, but still has a home page at Purdue, too.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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