Linux-Advocacy Digest #185, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 06:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Answer this if you can... (Joseph)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Edward Rosten")
Re: KDE Whiners (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: KDE Whiners (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Answer this if you can... (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (meow)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (meow)
Re: and none of it is done with windows ("Flacco")
Re: Interesting article ("David Brown")
This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) ("Adam Warner")
Re: KDE Whiners (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: Interesting article (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Win2K - Minuses outweigh plusses (Peter Hayes)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:17:56 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:03:37 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
|> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> wrote
|> on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:09:05 GMT
|> <5H0i6.30249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|> >
|> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|> >news:96998r$9v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|> >> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|> >>
|> >> >But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
|> >> >thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
|> >> >almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
|> >> >or something like that.
|> >>
|> >> If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
|> >> total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
|> >>
|> >> Nice own goal, Chad :)
|> >
|> >You proved my point for me. There are tens of millions of computer
|> >users, of which only a couple hundred thousand are day-to-day
|> >Linux users.
|>
|> 200,000 / 100,000,000 = 0.002 = .2% = 20% of 1%
|>
|> Your math is a little off. However, you are correct (if your figures
|> are accurate); we "Penguinistas" are below significance level.
|
|Yeah, well it was all off the hip. We were all discussing relatively,
|and then somebody had to start counting the grass leaves.
|
|Anyhow, regardless, it's less than one percent and therefore
|insignificant (niche).
|
|> That said -- DOS was once below significance level.
|
|Not as relative to the market as a whole. DOS _WAS_ the market,
|in essence.
|
|It would be more like CP/M in the DOS days, in terms of numbers,
|at least.
You do know that CP/M was around *before* DOS, don't you?
As was Apple. And Commodore, Tandy, etc. There was life before DOS.
Hell, MS even wrote software for them, usually BASIC interpreters.
When it was introduced, DOS *was* the new, small player in the
market. It grew rapidly as it was being pushed by IBM.
Now, IBM is starting to push Linux...
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
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a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:18:41 GMT
Harri Haataja wrote:
> Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
> >
> >However, I've noticed something as I spend more and more time with Linux.
> > When I pop back into Windows, I find myself trying to do things the
> >Linux way in Windows, and I am equally frustrated that I have to give it
> >a moment's thought.
> >
> >So, I'm of the opinion that these so-called "shortcomings" in Linux's
> >interface are simply a result of the prejudice that I have developed by
> >using the Windows OS exclusively for so long.
>
> This is a point more people should realise.
>
> >That said, I do think it would be a good strategic move for Linux to
> >closely mirror these little things in Windows. One is not particularly
> >more effective than the other, and Linux doesn't "owe" Windows anything
> >in this regard; but Linux would benefit by eliminating those minor
> >"annoyances" that might discourage new users from committing to the OS
> >early in the game.
>
> Yes. A "friendly" (after all, windos is only a frontend) look to these
> migrating people might draw them to "a more stable windows" and eventually
> they may figure out they can indeed change the themes and then window
> managers and then all to better ones. I think it's good there's something
> even they can use. Ofcourse there's the sad effects of clueless people
> whining with their problems and loads of ugly software turning up and
> bad defaults in distributions, but that would get a) more people away
> from m$ => b) wider Linux install base => c) less managemental (uh)
> fear towards other operating systems => d) more testing for the code.
>
> I am sad GTK is a pig networkwise, QT is butt-ugly and most software
> is of very poor quality (standard adherence, toolkit hell...) but
> I think it's better than never having a chance to see anything
> but windows in embedded applications, offices, schools etc.
>
QT is butt-ugly? How so? Are you saying in terms ot the development
framework? The development framework is the most advanced and elegant I've
seen in terms of object-orientedness, expressive power and ease of use for
development. Compared to the ancient, low-level, kluge pitifull excuse of a
framework most VC++ people use ;-)
--
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JoE uSeR
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:29:05 +0000
> ... don't underestimate MS. They're paying token attention to Linux,
> but still, even at it's highest estimates, Linux makes up 5% to MS's
> 95%. And MS is continually innovating. Have you see any documentation
^^^^^^^^^^^
Bullshit. They've never had an innovation in their eniter time in
business.
> .NET? Seen the XP screen shots? Read about any of the new features on
Wow. Screen shots. Great. I hear XP has SKINS! Wow, what an amazing
innovation.
> XP? Way beyond whatever Linux is doing. Linux is kindergarten paper
> mache compared to XP.
Yep. XP on a 1.5GHZ P4 roasts Linux S/390
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:06:46 +0100
Tim Hanson wrote:
> It looks to me like simple competition, which _always_ benefits the
> consumer.
>
To me it looks like a dirty trick, and I think to a lot of europeans it
does. Maybe thats a difference in culture, but a company which
resorts to such measures will not get ANY money from me in the
future. I will not buy anything at all from a company whose
advertising sucks, even if it`s a good product.
Play it fair, all is OK. Play it unfair and feel the consequences.
Peter
--
Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
We are Borg. Resistance is futile (Borg Gates)
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:00:40 +0100
Tim Hanson wrote:
> I would have said the European culture of ethnic cleansing.
which is naturally a lot worse than, say, the KKK
--
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[ ] YES Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] NO Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] LOCK UP Crash Windows and soft reboot
[ ] BSOD Crash Windows and hard reboot
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:16:20 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Yeah, well it was all off the hip. We were all discussing relatively,
> and then somebody had to start counting the grass leaves.
>
> Anyhow, regardless, it's less than one percent and therefore
> insignificant (niche).
>
> > That said -- DOS was once below significance level.
>
> Not as relative to the market as a whole. DOS _WAS_ the market,
> in essence.
>
> It would be more like CP/M in the DOS days, in terms of numbers,
> at least.
>
Well, there we have the reason why our beloved Chad is constantly
smearing FUD around, gives false numbers, lies about things linux
can do (and windows can`t).
It`s all because it is very insignificant.
Yeah.
Sure.
Good bye, Chad. Was nice to have met you.
When Linux is significant, be sure to make a visit then.
Until then, good riddance.
Peter
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:25:27 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I knew WinDOS users that were using NC as late as 1995.
> Apparently, they just didn't like the WinDOS GUI options
> available at the time...
>
I know windows users who are using NC now (windows version)
And it still is much better than the windows GUI. That just sucks.
It is way too slow on anything under 1GHz.
Peter
--
Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
We are Borg. Resistance is futile (Borg Gates)
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:56:33 +0100
Martin Eden wrote:
>
> Windows is more stable than Linux for desktop use - if you have half a
> brain in your head and some decent hardware. The problem with WinXP
>
I do have more than just half a brain, and 2 computers with dual processors,
ECC-memory, SCSI only. You wouldn`t describe such a setup as ordinary,
wouldn`t you? This should be VERY stable running computers, and they are,
they run linux. I tried NT on both of them. None ran longer than 1 week
without crash, sometimes the crashes came daily. OS/2 was lots better,
mostly about 1 month until next reboot. Linux so far was way better, the
older computer had 1 lockup in 2 years, otherwise just reboots I wanted.
> resides in the fact that once you install it, you will end up granting
> Microsoft the de-facto title to your hardware. Thus, upgrading to Whistler
> is (IMO) too expensive at any price.
>
It is. And this change from (Codename) Whistler to Windows XP doesn`t do
any good with their plans of ripoff to their customers. I`ve heard that
OfficeXP will come out at the same time, so we can be assured that
everyone has to "upgrade" again because of incompatible file-formats.
It should be obvious that MS thinks that their customers are just a bunch
of braindead chickens who you can be ripped off to your hearts delight.
It should be hoped that this time they are proven wrong.
Peter
--
Are you sure you REALLY want to read this with Netscape?
[ ] YES Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] NO Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] LOCK UP Crash Windows and soft reboot
[ ] BSOD Crash Windows and hard reboot
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From: meow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:49:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>
> meow wrote:
> >
> > Your still an obnoxious cunt
> > no denying it
>
> Leave your mother out of this.
>
>
>
You keep proving me right
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From: meow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:53:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> >
> > meow wrote:
> > >
> > > Your still an obnoxious cunt
> > > no denying it
> >
> > Leave your mother out of this.
> >
> >
> >
> You keep proving me right
Also from what i see in this newsgroup others think it too
Except they dont waste they time on you
I think deep down theres a good guy inside just waiting to get out
It wasnt your fault you were abused as a child and have spent the rest
of your life with a chip on your shoulder
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: and none of it is done with windows
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:42:19 -0500
> Google is right smack dab in the middle of implementing all of the
> stuff that deja used to have, plus bringing back on online the
> archive that goes to 1995. Apparantly most of it will be completed
> in the next 8 weeks.
Thank god the archives aren't in Deja's hands any more. Truncating them at
March 99 was unforgivable.
It will be great to have them back to 1995 again.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:54:21 +0100
Giuliano Colla wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> Giuliano;
>>
>> I think it would be a good idea to just ignore Mike's post. I know
>> you're probably anxious to knock down the fabrications and expose the
>> mockery of logic which his pretend arguments contain, but to be honest,
>> I think we need to start ignoring the trolls in alt.destroy.microsoft.
>>
>> I would consider it a personal favor if you'd "take one for the team"
>> here, and just skip over Mike's subsequent harping pretending he made a
>> point.
>>
>
>Max,
>
>I'll follow your advice because:
>a) It's wise
>b) I've very little time to spare, being involved in an important
>project with tight time schedule.
>
>But it's a pity because:
>
>a) I'd loved to hear from him how much he believes Isaac Newton has made
>out of the universal gravitation law, except the few pennies he could
>have made by selling at the Cambridge street market the apple fallen on
>his head.
>
>b) I had prepared a little game, dropping small pieces at a time of a
>Microsoft story, in order to let him say all the usual Microsoft droids
>stuff, as he had already begun, and then turning him out all the
>details, with so many documented elements, as to make him not only look
>an idiot to anybody else (this he's already doing, and quite well), but
>also feel an idiot himself, which could have been very good for him.
>
>However "all for one, one for all", that's the ADM motto, isn't it?
>
>Tomorrow I'm going to attend a seminar on Kylix, the Linux version of
>Delphi. The participation has been so high that they've been obliged to
>split it in two days. Three more seminars in other italian towns.
>For Windows CE one seminar in Italy was enough. Good attendance, but
>many empty places (good to put documentation in the nearby seat).
Can you let us know how Kylix is doing? I use Delphi a lot on NT, so the
thought of running it on Linux is definitely interesting.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:34:16 +1200
http://www.wirednews.com/news/technology/0,1282,41614,00.html
---Begin 1st Quote---
According to Microsoft, right now the current SAP function will play any
files, but after the company's market share for the Windows Media Player --
which is also built into Windows -- is sufficiently large, the company will
turn on SAP and play only secured files.
The system is designed to work behind-the-scenes, so that consumers aren't
aware of any digital rights management. When the operating system accesses
media files, noise is added so that if the audio is intercepted, it won't be
usable. Once the file makes it through the hardware device and passes it to
the Windows Media Player, the noise is removed and the file plays.
---End 1st Quote---
---Begin 2nd Quote---
"In order for an encrypted stream to play, Microsoft has to approve the
driver for your soundcard and sign it," software consultant David E. Weekly
wrote in an e-mail. "Without a signed driver, the digital rights management
content won't play. With video digital rights management coming soon
hereafter, what this really does is give Microsoft the power to determine
what hardware it will allow to run Windows."
---End 2nd Quote---
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:49:18 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ximian, which was Helixcode, son of GNOME, bought space from Google to
>put up their ad every time someone types KDE or Konqueror or a bunch of
>other KDE related names into their search field, sort of like Sun
>putting up ads on Linux sites, or Linux companies putting up ads on
>Microsoft sites.
>
>The KDE babies have been grieviously offended by this and haven't
>stopped blubbering all day. Now they they're going to sue. Good way to
>get laughed out of an attorney's office.
hahahahaha
These little games are really funny, alone worth the time to read this
group!
It should be obvious to the KDE folk that the only reasonable thing to
do is to take the same measures in return. Sue?!?! How utterly stupid
can they get! That's the sort of stuff cults do!
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:43:59 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> I pride myself if having never spent more than just a few minutes
> viewing COLA. All the messages I reply to have been cross-posted
> by someone else.
>
This is a bold lie.
There are a LOT of messages on cola to which Chad replied without
ANY crossposting.
But what should we expect from a shill like Chad Myers.
Peter
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Win2K - Minuses outweigh plusses
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:03:24 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13 Feb 2001 21:27:10 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He can't boot from the CD but the CD boots other OSes fine. Uhhuh, like that
> happens.
That does seem strange, I agree. The BIOS may be able to boot from a slave
drive but will a MS OS then barf because it's not on a master drive?
> Next, he claims he had linux on the machine first then tried to FDisk to
> kill the partitions but they were reportedly containing driver letters.
> First, if they have drive letters then he'd be able to see them. If he could
> see them he can delete them. If it was originally a linux system, Fdisk
> wouldn't report anything other than an unrecognized partition type and allow
> you to delete it without much warning. Linux wouldn't present apparent drive
> letters. In using Fdisk for, what, 10 years? I've never seen this behaviour
I've seen it regularly. Dos's Fdisk complaining that the extended partition
cannot be deleted because it contains drive letters. I think it's something
to do with the way fdisk interacts with LILO, but that's a guess based on
circumstantial evidence (the problem only surfaces after a LILO
installation in the mbr).
> and can find nothing documenting such a condition occuring. Hmm... gee...
You won't. Microsoft won't acknowledge the existance of any other OS. "Let
there be no other gods before me" or something like that..
<...>
> So, he goes on to complain because he lost his CD key. This is HOW MS's
> fault? Then he says, shoulda have it printed in the manual. What good would
> that do if he loses the jewel case which you'd assume the cd is IN then what
> are the chances a loosely unattached manual would survive this mess? And,
> didn't he write down the key, I know I always do... just in case.
He sounds like any typical academic I know.
> And, gee, here we have the OS that has MORE drivers for it than ANY other OS
> in history and it manages to not have his video or scsi or sound cards ...
> uhhuh, what's the chances eh? So, the good ol'16 color story. Even a every
> day boring SVGA card will detected as SVGA and you'll have a nice 256 color
> start.
I put together a Win98 pc with a Nvidia TNT2 card. Came up in 8-bit 640x480
mode. Took a fair bit of persuading to run at anything else. Still hangs
occasionally. I'd blame the TNT2 or the AGP bus, except that it works
perfectly under Linux. Come to think of it, AGP is turned off in Linux so
maybe there's the problem.
<...>
> OH, time for the blue screen report. How did we know that was coming. No bs
> about NT is complete with some blue screen action. And he went with
> something at least remotely believable, IRQ NOT LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO. (but
> he left off THAN, i'll let us conclude it was a typo).
He did say the sentence was incomplete - missing object.
<...>
Peter
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