Linux-Advocacy Digest #282, Volume #32           Sun, 18 Feb 01 06:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Is innovation a blessing? (was Interesting article) (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:55:40 -0500



Chad Myers wrote:
> 
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  wrote
> > on Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:03:59 -0500
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >
> > >Chad Myers wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> news:96jg3p$9hn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >
> > >> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:MEaj6.27470$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >
> > >> > < Perm bits
> > >> > > are ancient, a poor design, and are really unsecure.
> > >> >
> > >> > Describ a way to get over permissions in any *nix that implement
> > >> > perm bits (all of them).
> > >>
> > >> You're not understanding what I'm saying...
> > >>
> > >> It's the mentality. Permission bits are extremely limiting, as they
> > >> only allow one owner, one group, and everyone else.
> > >
> > >And gasoline engine + wheels is extremely limiting as compared
> > >to say, wings, rocket engines, and a launch pad.
> > >
> > >But as long as you have not the slightest intention of taking
> > >your wheeled vehicle across the ocean, it is quite sufficient.
> > >
> > >You can have 65535 DISTINCT groups on a Linix system, Chad.
> >
> > More than that if I'm reading this right.
> >
> > /usr/include/sys/types.h: typedef __gid_t gid_t;
> > /usr/include/bits/types.h: typedef __u_int __gid_t;
> > /usr/include/bits/types.h: typedef unsigned int __u_int;
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is some confusion:
> >
> > /usr/include/asm/posix_types.h: typedef unsigned short __kernel_gid_t;
> > /usr/include/linux/types.h: typedef __kernel_gid_t gid_t;
> >
> > and it's not clear which of these lines are actually active
> > because of '#ifdef' or '#if' control statements.
> >
> > (Just as an aside:  I'm pretty sure NT4 still has the notion of
> > a file owner.  I'd have to look, though -- and I'm not at work.)
> 
> <sigh> Those guys are idiots (not you, Ghost)
> I realize that Linux can have more than one group, but you can't
> have more than one group assigned to a file.

Big freaking NON-ISSUE.

You can create a NEW group which is the union of as many other groups as
you want (see netgroups).


> 
> As far as a object owner, yes NT and 2K have this notion.
> However, I was illustrating that Perm bits only allows 3 levels of
> permissions, which is very limiting.

So limiting that in 18 years of Unix usage, I have NEVER needed more.



> 
> >
> > >
> > >And if that's not enough for you, go hack the code, and make
> > >it a 32-bit integer, so that you can have 4 BILLION groups.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Secondly, permissions are not applied pervasively. That is, they're
> > >> only applied to files and file/devices. You can't set an ACL on
> > >> whether or not someone can access a specific porition of a file,
> > >> you can't set permissions on whether or not a particular process
> > >> can perform specific functions with the OS.
> > >
> > >Blah blah fucking blah
> > >
> > >Name ONE instance outside of NSA, CIA, State Department or
> > >armed forces intelligence services where any of this is necessary?
> >
> > Contemporary database design may be of some interest, but I think
> > more elegant solutions -- such as splitting a relation that's supposed
> > to be protected into another file, and protecting that file -- might
> > work here.
> >
> > But that might not work well in MicrosoftLand(tm), where all
> > databases have to be stored in one file for some reason.  :-)
> 
> Who said that?
> 
> Anyone who even attempts to argue that perm bits are better or
> as good as ACLs are simply ignorant and don't really understand
> security. The advantages DAC offers are obvious and recognized by
> industry experts and security experts. No, it's not just a Microsoft
> thing, it's a smart thing. Unfortunately, Unix blockheads are still
> living in 1978 and refuse to get with the times.
> 
> -Chad

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:58:23 -0500



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> The very constitution that protected their silence.  See the fifth
> >> >> amendment.
> >>
> >> > They were not asked to incriminate themselves...they were asked to
> >> > give congress the names of any active Communists that they knew.
> >>
> >> You obviously have never been in a courtroom.
> >>
> >> The fifth amendment does not mean that you have to tell a judge/jury
> >> WHY your answer would be incriminating, it simply allows you to be
> >> silent.
> >>
> >> > This is a valid inquiry, which is within the bounds of the Constitution.
> >>
> >> > But here's the bottom line...
> >>
> >> > Our government and our entertainment (translation: propaganda) industry
> >> > were being overrun with active Communists, agents of influence, and
> >> > others whose CONSCIOUS goal was to replace our system of governance
> >> > with a copy of the system which let Stalin slaughter 20 MILLION
> >> > Russian citizens, and Mao slaughter close to 60 MILLION Chinese.
> >>
> >> > Communists are not merely traitors to their countrymen...they are
> >> > sadistic animals who should be put down with no more remorse than
> >> > shooting a rabid dog before it gets to a group of children playing
> >> > in the park.
> >>
> >> > I have not even once met someone who sympathizes with the Communist
> >> > form of government who isn't a closet-dictator.  Their ultimate
> >> > fantasy is "Revenge of the Nerds"....they seek power in government
> >> > as a way to get revenge for whatever happened to them in high school.
> >>
> >> Dont get me wrong, I think that communism is a silly form of government
> >> and that it doesnt work at all.
> 
> > You are FAR too charitable.  Have you ever been to a communist country?
> > I have.  Communism is not silly...it's barbaric.
> 
> Ive been to both socialist and communist countries, and I agree with you.
> 
> BUT:  The question must be asked:  Is communism a symptom of barbarism or
> is it a result?
> 
> I believe it is a symptom.  Stopping communism wont make a people un-barbaric;
> they will simply find new and terrible ways to destroy themselves.  An
> interesting example is the current state of the russian mafia.
> 

Conversely....Communism is about the most efficient way of MAXIMIZING
barbaric behavior by the government against the people.


> >>
> >> But I also think that the US constitution has been shat apon by paranoid,
> >> greedy assholes who twist its words for their own concern.
> 
> > None of which justifies the activities of Communists.
> 
> Neither can be justified, and they are both terrible.
> 
> -----.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:00:54 -0500



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> The very constitution that protected their silence.  See the fifth
> >> >> amendment.
> >>
> >> > They were not asked to incriminate themselves...they were asked to
> >> > give congress the names of any active Communists that they knew.
> >>
> >> You obviously have never been in a courtroom.
> >>
> >> The fifth amendment does not mean that you have to tell a judge/jury
> >> WHY your answer would be incriminating, it simply allows you to be
> >> silent.
> 
> > Naming names is not self-incriminating.
> 
> It is still covered by the fifth amendment.

The Fifth Amendment only gives you the right not to testify AGAINST
YOURSELF.

There is NO Constitutional right to avoid testifying about someone else,
although most judges uphold a casual right to not testify against one's
spouse.


>  See the iran-contra hearings
> for details.
> 
> Unless you mean that the fifth amendment works for famous military men
> and presidents only of course.
> 

the "criminality" of the Iran-Contra was nothing more than Congress
trying to usurp the President.



> -----.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:05:18 -0500



Charles Lyttle wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Flacco wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's interesting to note that the whole phenomenon of Microsoft vs. Open
> > > > > Source most likely wouldn't exist had IBM not (albeit, unthinkingly)
> > > > > 'open-sourced' the PC architecture.
> > > >
> > > > I don't buy that.  It just wouldn't be taking place on IBM hardware with MS
> > > > software.
> > >
> > > If IBM had not 'open-sourced' the PC architecture, PCs may not have had
> > > the success they did.  It may be that the discussion would be
> > > open-source v Apple
> >
> > There were Apple clones in the early 1980's.
> >
> > Franklin was selling them in 1981.
> >
> Apple made a big mistake. At first clones were permissible, but they got
> that canned beans dealer to take over the company and he decided to
> close the architecture. You couldn't even get bus specs without paying
> lots of money and signing non disclosure agreements. Result : no one
> developed software or hardware for Apple][ or Mac. They developed for

No..the Apple ][, and ][+ were VERY open.

The manuals included 
a) COMPLETE schematics of the entire system
and
b) COMPLETE source code for whatever was in the ROM
        (Apple BASIC & a simple 6502 assembler/monitor  ;
         or Apple Floating Point BASIC)

My guess is that the same went for the //e as well, but I never got my
hands on the //e manuals, so I'm not sure.



> IBM instead. IBM, OTOH, considered the pc to be an "entry level" system.
> You were supposed to buy a PC and then find out you couldn't live
> without one of their mainframes and several dozen Displaywriters and IBM
> networking systems. Well, it did that. IBM just didn't know what it was
> passing up in the PC market. But if they hadn't done what they did,
> perhaps PC sales would not have been so great. After all, look what
> happened when they decided to close the "microchannel" specs. Seen any
> microchannel recentlY?
> > > --
> > > http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:07:00 -0500



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis writes:
> 
> > Pascal Haakmat wrote:
> 
> >> I wrote:
> 
> >>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >>>> Tholen, David
> >>>> 1505 Alexander St,
> >>>> Honolulu, HI  96822-4978
> >>>>      (808)941-3552
> >>>>
> >>>> Tholen, David
> >>>> Alexander St Apt 406, Honolulu, HI
> >>>> 96822
> 
> >>> Of what relevance is that, Kulkis?
> 
> >> Don't you see?
> >>
> >> The relevance would depend on whether the address was correct.
> 
> > Failure to comprehend this simple idea
> 
> How ironic, coming from the person failing to comprehend the
> fact that the posting of the address is irrelevant regardless
> of whether it is correct or not.

You really are a fucking brainless twit, aren't you.


> 
> > is precisely why THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT.
> 
> How ironic.


IRONic?

What, did somebody the head of a pick-axe in your skull.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is innovation a blessing? (was Interesting article)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:18:40 -0500



Giuliano Colla wrote:
> 
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Only if you're really backwards.  It's called ssh these days.
> > >
> > > Same difference. Same 70's technologies. This is great, I love
> > > how you guys think that SSH is some major advancement. It's
> > > still telnet, just with encryption, and shoddy encryption at that!
> >
> > Chad apparently doesn't understand RSA.
> >
> >
> Maybe Chad is enamored of "innovation", and doesn't realize that
> something is innovated only if and when required.
> 
> There's a little example he should study carefully before making a fool
> of himself.
> Maybe it'll amuse you and someone else in this NG.
> 
> I believe you all know that, to position a rocket or a space shuttle in
> the proper launch position, rails are used, in order to guide it
> properly. Well, being rails, the standard rails gauge is used, so that
> standard parts may be used as much as possible.
> 
> What not everybody knows is where the standard rail gauge comes from.
> The modern railways gauge comes from mine rails, which where used with
> horse or donkey driven carts, and was therefore the standard cart wheels
> gauge.
> 
> Well, now let's step back a little in time. A few centuries B.C. ancient
> romans started paving their roads, to have better transportation in
> towns and from town to town. Paved roads became so common that "paved"
> has become in many languages synonymous of "road" (From latin via strata
> = paved road: Via = way, road; Strata = paved. From "strata" comes
> "street" in English, "Strasse" in German "strada" in Italian etc.) They
> used to pave roads with soft stones, on behalf of horse hoofs, so it
> happened that cart and carriage wheels (which where surrounded by iron
> to make them last longer) carved grooves on the roads. The most common
> wheel gauge was producing the deepest grooves, so it became a de facto
> standard. A different gauge would have put one wheel on a deep groove
> (it could be up to 3-4 inches deep), and the other one outside, giving a
> hard time both to the driver and the horses. A standard was therefore
> established, which lasted quite a long time, because it made sense.
> Roman roads were very well built, and lasted quite a long time. A number
> of roman bridges is still in use today.
> Well, because of that, when rails where put in use, the standard cart
> and carriage wheel gauge was still the roman gauge.
> 
> Therefore it happens that the gauge of the rails for a space rocket
> follow a standard established by ancient romans almost 2500 years ago.
> 
> To be honest, there's one country which doesn't follow that standard:
> russian Czar's choose to use a different (wider) gauge, in order to
> avoid an easy railroad movement to and from Russia, and to be able to
> control what and whom comes in and goes out. In a word for
> anti-competitive reasons.

And Czarist Russian guage is STILL in use today as well.


Not strict economic anti-competitiveness, however....more along the
lines of which political faction controlled the area.  When Germany
invaded, the differing rail guage made logistics a nightmare for the
invading army....they had to remove half of the rails and move them
towards the unmolested rails so that European Guage cars could run
on them.

Without that nuisance, Hitler might have been able to supply Army Group
Center well enough to have actually taken Moscow, as opposed to merely
peering at it through periscopes (sniper activity on the Russian
front was VERY high).




-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:20:16 -0500



"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : Shane Phelps wrote:
> :>
> :> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> :> >
> :> > Tim Hanson wrote:
> :> > >
> :> > > It all comes back to Gates.  It's his company, regardless of
> :> > > title-of-the-month.  I suppose the damning thing about him is that he's
> :> > > amoral.
> :> >
> :> > Just one well-directed 155-grain piece of copper-sheathed lead can
> :> > change all of that.
> :> >
> :>
> :> There are a lot of people who deserve it more than Bill G, and I would
> :> hesitate to use that remedy on them, too.
> 
> : How many lives have been ruined by this man's criminal behavior,
> : and that of his organized crime syndicate known as Microsoft?
> 
> Find, try, and punish those actually guilty of crimes (this would
> certainly include most of M$ management, but certainly not all of
> those who work for M$ in lesser roles).
> 
> Don't go crazy on innocent people just because they happen to be
> located in close physical proximity.

No, that doesn't wash.


Microsoft is a CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION...therefore, ALL who work
for Microsoft are aiding and abetting criminal activities.



> 
> Joe

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:21:01 -0500



"BillyG." wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Shane Phelps wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tim Hanson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It all comes back to Gates.  It's his company, regardless of
> > > > > title-of-the-month.  I suppose the damning thing about him is that
> > > > > he's amoral.
> > > >
> > > > Just one well-directed 155-grain piece of copper-sheathed lead can
> > > > change all of that.
> > > >
> > >
> > > There are a lot of people who deserve it more than Bill G, and I would
> > > hesitate to use that remedy on them, too.
> > >
> > > That one was over the top, even for you, Aaron. Back off a bit. Chill
> > > out, take a couple of deep breaths, sit down, have a few beers, go kick
> > > the dog or something.
> >
> > Personally, I think a Marine Expeditionary Brigade, 2 Marine
> > Air Wings, and a couple of Iowa-Class battleships should use
> > the Redmond, Washington campus of Microsoft as a live-fire
> > training ground.
> >
> >
> > but that's just me.
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > [ sigsnip ]
> >
> 
> Sounds good to me.  Just let me know ahead of time so I don't get friendly
> fire while throwing pies.

Oh, we'll have a special team just for you, Bill.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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