Linux-Advocacy Digest #370, Volume #32 Wed, 21 Feb 01 06:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop ("Donal K.
Fellows")
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Ian Davey)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
Re: The Windows guy. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
Re: Help with display properties ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Shane Phelps)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Todd")
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ("Karel Jansens")
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:32:15 +0000
Chad Myers wrote:
> Hmm... it seems you are incorrect. Sales of Windows continue to increase.
> The hype revolving around Windows XP is high, which means many people
> are interested. Hardly the signs of a dying company.
So what? The hype around the Millennium Dome was high too, and that's
hardly the sort of business success you want to compare yourself to...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Short attention span since- ooh! Shiny thing on the floor!
-- Chad R. Orzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Activities Committee
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:53:56 -0600
"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Ol0k6.299372$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If you condemn IBM, then you must also condemn others that do the same
> > thing.
>
> "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people
> don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. As long as they are
> going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of
addicted,
> and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next
> decade."
> - Bill Gates
>
> Just thought I'd give you another chance to defend your genuine hypocrisy,
> as opposed to the imagined hypocrisy you claim for others.
Nothing wrong with selling computers to Chinese people. Selling them to a
government that uses them to oppress others is a different story.
In any event, you still aren't understanding my point. I'm taking no moral
side here myself. I'm simply saying that if you're going to oppose a
company like MS on ethical grounds, you should also oppose Linux on those
same grounds.
> No one here really expects you to have the courage of your convictions,
> though, Eric. We all know you'll continue to use and defend Microsoft and
> their products, even though that makes you, by your own definition, either
a
> hypocrite or someone who condones torture, state-sanctioned murder, and
> various other human rights violations.
You don't know what my convictions are, since I haven't stated them. Your
assumption that I think linux should be boycotted because of human rights is
wrong. I don't think that. I do think, that if you're going to boycott or
criticize MS for ethics, you should also look at how ethical those involved
in the creation of Linux are as well.
> I would advise changing your name, Eric. Unless you go completely
> anti-Microsoft from here on out, you have destroyed any credibility you
> might have thought you had. Perhaps you could come back with a nice
female
> persona, like the flatfish/Claire/Steve guy does on occasion.
Perhaps you could stop jumping to conclusions about what you think i've
said.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:46:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >This sort of claim is made by pro-gun advocates about every geographic
>> >area where any gun control legislation has passed. Wasn't it Australia
>> >or New Zealand where crime rates allegedly "skyrocketed" after gun
>> >control was legislated, whereby in reality they did not even increase?
>>
>> Australia. And the claim was made by Kulkis. As usual, the correct response
>> for such a claim is "cite, please ?"
>
>----
>Police move to tackle huge rise in gun crime
>By Ian Burrell, Home Affairs Correspendent
>
>15 January 2001
>
>A national firearms database is to be established for the first time,
>amid fears over record levels of gun crime.
>
>The setting up of the database, recommended by the official inquiry into
>the Dunblane massacre of 1996, comes as a report by senior criminal
>intelligence officers has uncovered "major weaknesses" in the way
>British police tackle gun crime. For the past 11 months, a team of
>officers from the National Criminal Intelligence Service has compiled
>details of weapons and ammunition seized by the police and has concluded
>that the scale of Britain's black market in firearms is "far higher than
>anybody had previously thought".
>----
>
>http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,363711,00.html
>
>
>
>One in three young criminals is armed
>
>Government research shows use of guns is on the rise and gangster films
>are blamed for making it seem 'cool'
>
>Special report: gun violence in Britain
>
>Tony Thompson
>Sunday September 3, 2000
>
>One in three criminals under the age of 25 owns or has access to a
>firearm, the Government's researchers have discovered.
>A continuing parliamentary inquiry into the growing number of black
>market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million
>illegally held fireahms in circulation - double the number believed to
>have been held 10 years ago - and that criminals are more willing than
>ever to use them.
This says nothing about the number increasing since the ban. In fact if it
wasn't for the ban this fact probably wouldn't have come to light at all.
ian.
\ /
(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
| |
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Activities Committee
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:56:13 -0600
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> >My point was that if IBM can be sued for selling tabulation machines to
the
> >Nazi's, it's the exact same thing as accepting and knowingly assisting in
> >the act of providing an OS that is used for violating human rights.
> >
> >If you condemn IBM, then you must also condemn others that do the same
> >thing.
>
> Exactly. We must all condemn Linux for its helping the Chinese oppress
> their people, and all buy Windows XP, Windows ME, or Windows 2000
> instead.
>
> Spot The Flaw.
The flaw is in your assumption that this is what I said. I didn't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 21 Feb 2001 09:45:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joshua Hesse) wrote in
<96utdo$hl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In comp.sys.next.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> > Who's running the place, Hilter?
> : ^^^^^^
>
> :Reminds me of the Monty Python skit about Hitler, having immigrated to
> :England, under the assumed name of Hilter.
>
>*DING*DING*DING*
>
>Finally, *somebody* got the reference to Monty Python.
>I was starting to wonder...
>
>-Josh
Hmm. Does Godwin apply here?
--
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 21 Feb 2001 09:48:06 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>ZnU wrote:
>> It's annoying to scroll through, and my newsreader doesn't recognize it
>> as a .sig due to excessive length, so I have to snip it out manually in
>> replies.
>
>Here's a clue...when you see this:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer"
>
>stop reading.
LOL! Good advice.
--
Nick
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:00:27 -0600
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96hsg8$c9p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Pipes have been supported
> > for years in DOS - I'm not sure when they were first implemented, but
> > I'm sure I remember using pipes in DOS 2.0. Pipes are a pretty simple
> > construct, so it's hard to think of why they wouldn't be supported (is
> > there some other pipe, Aaron?).
>
> Incorrect. DOS has never supported pipes. It emulated pipes by putting
> the pipe contents in to a temp file and then dumpunt the temp file to the
> input of the next process. DOS could not do proper pipes, since it was
> single tasking.
"proper pipes"?
The definition of a pipe is to divert the output of one program into the
input of another. Multitasking is not a part of the definition.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 21 Feb 2001 09:49:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>Gerry wrote:
>>
>> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > > Nothing. And why should I need to change how I read news just for
>> > > your sake?
>> >
>> > Then figure out the key for "next message"
>> >
>> > or is that tooooooo difficult?
>>
>> You didn't answer his question.
>>
>> But please answer these:
>> Can you justify your signature?
>
>Yes. without my .sig, bandwidth on this newsgroup would explode
>to 5x the present volume with flamewars
>
>> What purpose does it serve?
>
>keeps flamers from following me around and starting shit.
So if we flame you long enough and hard enough about it, you'll drop the
long sig?
--
Nick
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with display properties
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:46:00 +0000
John wrote:
> Hi I installed redhat 6.2 on my computer and when I open let say properties
> of display the dialog box does not fit my display and I have move the box
> around to click buttons, it is 640X480. I can not make higher resolution
> beacause my monitor is an old 14'. So I want just to correct what I can.
If you've got a truly ancient 14" monitor[*], then that is the highest
standard resolution it will support. Pushing it up to 800x600 can fry
it (speaking as someone who knows...)
However, you can usually hack the X config file to get better than your
current resolution if you are very patient and are prepared to do all
the work yourself. It helps if you've got a reasonable graphics card
and the technical specs of your monitor (you can feed them in to the
machine in the right place and have it stop you from doing things that
are seriously damaging.) This isn't something for the faint-of-heart,
though once you've got a resolution that your card and monitor both
support, there are tools that can help you tweak the positioning (not
something that's needed on decent monitors, so I forget the details.)
Donal.
[* Fourteen foot monitors are a bit out of most peoples budgets... :^) ]
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Short attention span since- ooh! Shiny thing on the floor!
-- Chad R. Orzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:09:20 +1100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Theo de Raadt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Said Charlie Ebert in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 19 Feb 2001
> > > [...]
> > > >What is *THIS* fucking bullcrap about Chad?
> > > >
> > > >Why?
> > >
> > > Because he is a troll who, for reasons mysterious to the rest of us,
> > > finds validation in being replied to, regardless of what the reply is or
> > > what things he has to say, be they facts, inflammatory opinions,
> > > misrepresentations, or outright lies, in order to get it.
> >
> > No no no.
> >
> > He's not a troll. He's a net-kook.
>
> More insults and more avoidance of facts from Theo de Raadt.
>
> Thank god I don't use any of your software. I value quality and security.
>
> -Chad
Please enlighten us Chad.
What do you regard as secure??
... and why, pray tell?
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:51:49 +0100
Gerry wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Nothing. And why should I need to change how I read news just for your
> > > sake?
> >
> > Then figure out the key for "next message"
> >
> > or is that tooooooo difficult?
>
> You didn't answer his question.
>
> But please answer these:
> Can you justify your signature?
> What purpose does it serve?
> Do you think people want to read it?
> Do you think people should have to work around your obnoxiousness?
>
> Is it "tooooooo difficult" for you to realize that you should trim your
> signature to no more than 3-5 lines?
>
> The top 4 lines of your signature are acceptable.
> I don't understand, nor do I care about the other 99% of your sig.
>
I do not think that A R Kulkis will give in. He is that kind of asshole.
Even if the whole of all posters here would tell him to stop that
nonsense, he wouln´t do it.
So, I propose that from now on until he cuts down his sig to an
acceptable size AND starts to quote normally, he should be ignored
by everyone posting here. Just no one should play with him.
OR: give him an answer (to be agreed upon) which just tells him
to bugger off and start thinking. That standard answer should then
always be given, regardles of context.
I have killfiled him, I will not see his direct posts any more,
and what I see of his crap (even Chad Myers is not as bad) I will
see in replies from others. This guy`s behaviour is just shitty.
I did a count of his posts on my news-server. Then I startet a count
of his actual content, that is, not quotet lines and not the sig, just the
lines he wrote. It is below 2 percent! 98% of A R Kulkis posts consist
of quotings and signature.
Peter
--
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[ ] YES Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] NO Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] LOCK UP Crash Windows and soft reboot
[ ] BSOD Crash Windows and hard reboot
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:18:20 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > So our Chad has been holding forth on the flaws of OpenSSH to at least
> > two of the authors of the program, plus one person who co-wrote a book
> > about it (R. E. Silverman). One would think that in such company he
> > would at least try to educate himself before posting, but that's Chad
> > for you.
> >
> > Followups redirected to Chad's usual home.
>
> Creators of OpenSSH which is based, in part on the "fundamentally flawed"
> protocol.
>
Now that is a new twist, Chaddy-boy. First it were only the implementations
of SSH which in your rantings were "flawed -- fundamentally flawed etc",+
now that you are confronted with people who know the product in question
inside out and you realise that you don`t have a snowball in hells chance
to argue against them, suddenly the complete protocol is flawed.
Hey, we should not let "Chad the lying asshole" off the hook here.
He should explain to all of us where and why the protocol is flawed.
Chad, you are really just a piece of shit. I am sure your mother is very
ashamed of you, always wringing her hands and asking herself at what
point things startet to go wrong.
Peter
--
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:17:19 +0800
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96utr7$898$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> There are a quite frankly huge number of languages. Out of curiosity,
> >> what is your favourite functional language (I'm just getting in to
> >> Haskell)? Ans which do you prefer, forth or postscript?
> >
> > I guess I'd have to say forth... but they are quite different... don't
> > you think? Sheesh... I remember doing forth way back when... once I
>
>
> Not really. They are very similar in many ways. PS has more stacks and
> the command syntax for definitions and stuff is a little different, but
> over all, they are very similar.
Well, admittedly, I didn't have much experience with PS... more with Forth.
> > learned C, all other languages (except lisp) lost my interest.
>
>
> If you like LISP, try Haskell. It's a purely functional language (so no
> loop macro :). Very elegant language and a helluva lot less brackets.
I would have 15 years ago :) Now it's pretty much C, JavaScript (if you
consider that a 'true' language), and various scripting languages such as
Perl. I tried Java, but was not impressed at all with its cross platform
ability nor its robustness; however, I'd use Java if I had to program for
UNIX.
> >> > Also, I've used HP-UX extensively. The fact that I like Windows 2000
> >> > is because it is a great OS whether or not Linux advocates believe it
> >> > is or not.
> >>
> >> > Please don't generalize about Windows users, it makes you look
> >> > foolish.
> >>
> >> Before you say this, take a long look at the majority of WinTrolls on
> >> this ng.
> >
> > Please remember, this is .advocacy. It is not a representation of
> > reality.
>
> I was assuming the reference was to Windows users on this NG.
Well, you get the flamers and crazies from both sides I'd say. I don't
think I need to mention names. :)
> >> > Microsoft makes good products. Windows 2000, Allegiance, Age of
> >> > Empires
> >>
> >> Win2K being good is debatable. The 160 day uptime is nothing to shout
> >> about
> >
> > I believe with a good admin. that number could be longer. Wasn't that
> > an average and not the maximum anyway?
>
> It was the average time, but these stats were published my MS, so
> shouldn't we believe them?
Well, if Windows 2000 stays up for an *average* of over five months, that is
pretty good I'd say considering all the stuff built into 2000. Also, since
2000 comes with built-in clustering for high availability, the actual
'uptime' that a user sees could be years... (if done correctly).
I've worked with HP-UX extensively, and I know it is more stable than 2000.
But as for Linux... I've seen Netscape bring it to a panic.
> >> and I personally find the GUI and CLI clunky and inelegant. But those
> >> are just opinons.
> >>
> >> As for age of empires, there is only one true RTS, and it has tanks :)
> >
> > Heh. You wouldn't be refering to StarCraft?? Another great game that
> > is. However, Age rocks too...
>
> Nope. Command & Conquer: Red Alert
> It's good, damn good. The best thing about it is that because it's quite
> old, you can have a HUGE game on a new computer and it still runs fast.
Hmmm... I've never tried that game but always look at it wondering if it is
good. Ok, I think I'm gonna try it next time I see it in a store. I
believe their is some package deal where you can get both games combined...
> >> > have all received excellent award by various magazines... Allegiance
> >> > rocks too...
> >>
> >> I never pay too much attention to magazines alone. They all have strong
> >> biases.
> >
> > Yet they specialize in what they are all about. If the premier game
> > magazine says a game rocks, you can bet that the game is OK at least...
> > I have found that they are mostly right. (Sometimes I don't entirely
> > agree thought).
>
> I tended to find myself disagreeing quite a lot, so I gave up on them.
Well, given that you prefer Linux, you seem to be a rebel in more way than
one then :)
> > However, MS games (or game published by then) pretty much rock. I've
> > had excellent success with Allegiance and AOE. Never crashed... I think
> > an OS should be modeled after Allegiance the way patches are applied.
>
> I think the crucial point is that these games are published, not written
> by MS.
You are right sort of regarding AOE (MS actually had a heavy influence), but
MS wrote Allegiance I believe.
I love allegiance, but here in Singapore, a connection to a fast server just
doesn't exist... so I don't play it much. Bummer - it really is a great
game.
> >> >> Flatfish++++'s contributions are very important for Linux to take on
> >> >> the desktop environment. Flatfish++++ does a lot of work to botch up
> >> >> an easy install.
> >> >
> >> > RedHat 7.0 doesn't install nearly as easily as Windows 2000... I am
> >> > still trying to get my ethernet card to work, and my soundblaster
> >> > live was not even detected. (Still haven't got that running either).
> >>
> >>
> >> So I can tell you stories about flawless RH installs (ie every one I've
> >> done) and Windows installs that haven't worked properly.
> >
> > Hmmmm... I have very standard hardware and RH installs poorly compared
>
> That's odd. On 6.2 I put in a netcard and it autodetected it and set it
> up. All I had to do was entyer the IP info (static address, not DHCP).
I need to use DHCP... I don't even think my network card was detected (it is
a 3com).
I'm pretty sure drivers exist for the card under Linux... I just need to
spend more time to figure it out. That's the thing about 2000... I don't
*need* to spend any time trying to figure it out. That's what makes 2000
nice.
> The longest part by miles was taking the screws off the case.
Well, it is the most fun part :) However, with my limited Linux experience,
setting it up is requiring a lot of time.
> > to even NT! PNP on 2000 simply rocks... no doubt about it. I plug in
> > my scanner and it is recognized, driver installed, and assigned to a
> > graphics program.
> > I plug in my digital camera and the picture indexes
> > are displayed all automatically... nothing happens whatsoever on Linux
> > when I do the same thing.
> I haven't had any experience worth note with hot swapping stuff under
> either OS.
It works great under 2000 for many devices... I don't think Linux has
anything like it. XP will take it further...
> >> >> Since I have a regular 40 hour work week (web application developer
> >> >> gratefully using Perl and C on a Solaris platform, proudly
> >> >> rehabilitated from the Windos world), I only have time to regularly
> >> >> read one newsgroup, I do other things besides play with computers. I
> >> >> choose this newsgroup to read and I want to see everyone's
> >> >> contributions. So I have no kill file entries.
> >> >
> >> > You would if Tholen was in this group... don't ask... :)
> >>
> >> He does come to this group once in a while from a cross post. I like
> >> `debating' with him to see how long I can keep it up. This time, I out
> >> tholed him.
> >
> > Heh... I think all of those 'posts' detracts from the group. Check out
> > comp.os.os2.advocacy... a real pain he is. Never debates the issues.
> > Just continuous war on words.
>
> Yes. War of words definitely. I made a spelling mistake and he asked what
> the word meant (it was very obvious).
Hey! I've had him do that to me too! Boy, he sure can be predictable.
> I told him it was a typographic
> error. He then asked if it was typographic or typographical. I told him
> they are under the same entry in a dictionary and he never replied.
Heh... I wonder if he knew ? :)
> > This newgroup at least has intelligent people from both sides.
>
> Occasionally someone called nuxx gets cross posted to here from comna. He
> seems pretty with it. Most of the regular win-posters aren't as bright,
> but then what would you expect from people who hung around on a ng just
> to flame people?
Well, I've been in the computer industry in a big way since I was in 7th
grade elementary... I'm 32 now. I've done a lot of stuff with computers.
My interest is definitely computer hardware though... but I don't have
enough time to play around with it anymore.
I use to be a *huge* OS/2 fan about the time Windows 95 was about to be
released. Unfortunately, IBM never fixed what *I felt* were its major
problems...
I never used a Windows product until NT 3.5 was released.
For me, NT/2000 are not perfect. However, they let me do more things in the
least amount of time than any other general purpose OS out there, including
UNIX.
If Linux continues to improve, I may get more involved with it... sadly, as
I get older, I don't have enough time or patience to deal with it in its
current state.
I really hope that Linux continues to improve... it's merely good right now,
but it has a lot of potential.
-Todd
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:53:09 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but slower and less reliable than OS/2, which was the point. You
>> really *do* have blinders on, don't you?
>
> Note that M$ is still playing this game. In their advertizing they're
> calling Windows [whatever, this month] "The fastest Windows ever..." and
>
> 'even more stable than Windows [whatever, last month]." It's not too
> tough competing against one's past self.
>
Actually, as far as marketing goes, this is friggin' genious: Competing
against your former self, you can pretty much say what you want, without
fear for legal actions.
Obviously, for such a technique to work, you need pretty gullable
customers but, as has been proven many times over, that is not much of a
problem in the Windows arena...
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Regards,
Karel Jansens
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:53:13 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 19 Feb 2001
> [...]
>>Most OS/2 power users. My experience (and I worked with companies that
>>standardized on OS/2, such as American Express and Target Companies),
>>was that most average users didn't understand the shell. It was too
>>complex, and wasn't very intuitive past the basic functionality.
>
> Wow. Sounds like Win95.
>
I disagree. Obviously the WPS, being an Object Oriented User Interface
(OOUI), was more complex than Windows 3.x (which was a glorified program
launcher) and even Windows 9x (which is little more than a glorified
program launcher, and only because Microsoft did a half-arsed copy of the
WPS); it was - and is - however an extremely consistent interface where
you had to learn a set of commands/mouse actions only once: every object
reacted in the same way to the same action. Try _that_ with Windows xx,
where even f**ing _dragging_ an "object" won't guarantee you consistent
results throughout the "environment".
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Regards,
Karel Jansens
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