Linux-Advocacy Digest #370, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 18:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Dan Pop)
linux will never be popular. (blackpike)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Michael Marion)
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (.)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:10:32 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9gk9qc$jmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > the what if is a virus gets in to the backup copies of the files and
> changes
> > them.
> > how do you restore?
>
> From the CD.
>
> > ok I don't really care because I'm sure theres a easy way :)
>
> You've to be an administrator to meddle with those dlls, and Windows would
> consider those files tainted (ie, wouldn't use them) if they don't have
> digital signature.
In Win98 or windows in general?
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V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 18 Jun 2001 20:44:40 GMT
In <9gln13$6jt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Bill Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>"Peter Seebach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3b2e4b03$0$325$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9gc8qb$lbt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >Windows actually does a semi-decent job of boot-time configuration, to
>the
>> >point that an image of your old system will quite possibly boot on a
>> >different system - after which you can perform the upgrade installation.
>>
>> I have heard many, many, horror stories about this not working. I've
>heard
>> very few stories of Mac disks not booting on different Macs (if they were
>> at all supported), and none at all about Unixes (once again, if the
>hardware
>> was anything like supported). By contrast, people in a nearby thread were
>> commenting that it's fairly typical to have to reinstall Windows to change
>> SCSI controllers.
>
>While I'm not a great fan of Windows, the above has a definite odor of FUD
>to it. Why not let the people with *direct* experience comment, so that one
>can properly ascertain what real problems may of may not have occurred, and
>why?
Talking from my own experience (as a Joe "Windows" User), when I
relocated my network card from one PCI slot to another, the only way to
get Windows 95 working with it again was reinstalling the OS. On the
same box, Linux didn't notice the difference in any visible way, it
just continued to work as if nothing had changed (which is what I would
expect from *any* half-way decent OS).
Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, IT Division
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail: CERN - IT, Bat. 31 1-014, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (blackpike)
Subject: linux will never be popular.
Date: 18 Jun 2001 14:18:30 -0700
Linux comes from an age of IT Profesional walking around great hulking boxes
in specially built air conditioned rooms.
Linux is for 2 groups of people :-
1) Full time fully employed IT professionals who are highly IT literate
and can spend HOURS every day figuring out how to get it working.
2) Computer Nerds who want to be in the above group
Linux isn't cheap because :-
1) You have to employ IT proffesional to make it work properly
or
2) You have to become an IT proffesional yourself which takes years
thats years you could spend earning money doing the job you already do.
linux is cheap in the same way as going round reclaiming bits of cars
and building your own car would be cheap in terms of money
(but what about the time)
Most online tutorials don't work
I have tried to follow over 15 different tutorials on compiling apache on linux
to no avail. You would have thought that one of the most popular applications
that Redhat linux is used to run would be easy to compile. Imageine windows not
installing office.
Now that Apple computers OS X is basically a Userfriendly version of unix
linux will be left to full time IT proffesionals. Your average person will
rather use OS X than Linux.
Most newbies to linux get put off when the tutorials they follow don't work.
The only newbies that eventually make it up the near vertical learning
curve have had to pay in many hours scouring usenet news group for cures
for the problems linux has.
If I'd spent the time over the last 6 months doing real paid work instead
of wasting time trying to get a linux box working with apache, Mysql, php4
I could have bought a fully configured $6000 system form VA Linux.
Linux will only become popular if people can buy fully configured systems
of the shelf. So that Joe Bloggs Average doesn't have to start compiling code.
dealing with 10000's of parameters held in 100's of files scattered around
the system. It's nearly as bad as Microsoft registry
Windows is for Idiots who are only fit for clicking buttons all day long.
Linux is for nerds who've forgotten that computers are meant to be their slaves.
I want something thats designed for some one with a modicum of inteligence
but who isn't prepared to spend years becoming a computer GURU.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:28:58 -0400
Ed Cogburn wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > jet wrote:
> >
> >>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >>>Rick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>drsquare wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:01 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >>>>>> (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I do...with WOMEN.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you
> >>>>>>>
> >>know
> >>
> >>>>>>>your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Which is also going against all the right-wing idealism he seems to
> >>>>>>favour so much.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>false premise.
> >>>>>I'm NOT right wing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Right wing and Left-wing political views are BOTH a form of SOCIALISM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>and...since I'm a libertarian, and libertarians are opposed to
> >>>>>
> >>socialism
> >>
> >>>>>in ALL forms, that means that I am opposed to right-wingers just as
> >>>>>strongly as left-wingers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hope that helps, you politically illiterate MORON.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Aaron R. Kulkis
> >>>>>
> >>>>I repeat.
> >>>>Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know
> >>>>your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially?
> >>>>
> >>>No, that would be LINEARLY, you idiot.
>
> Pay attention idiot, having sex with multiple partners is the same as
> having sex with everyone *your* partners have had sex with, and everyone
> whose had sex with your partners' partners' partners. That is not close
> to linear, its exponential.
No..that's the number of THEIR partners which is exponential
Adding adding another tree means a LINEAR increase..
Actually, less than that, as there is likely to be overlap
between the two trees.
>
> >>>
> >>>And that's based on the assumption that I engage in the SPECIFIC
> >>>acts which make one open to infection.
> >>>
> >>Yeah, Rick, Aaron can't get AIDS though masturbation, even if it's to Blue
> >>Boy Magazine.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I guess it's because she can't attack the REAL me..
>
> Ohh, there's no problem there, the REAL you is still an idiot.
>
> --
> It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -- Voltaire
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:29:30 -0400
Stephen Cornell wrote:
>
> > >>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>>No, that would be LINEARLY, you idiot.
> >
> Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Pay attention idiot, having sex with multiple partners is the same as
> > having sex with everyone *your* partners have had sex with, and
> > everyone whose had sex with your partners' partners' partners. That
> > is not close to linear, its exponential.
>
> [hope I got those attributions right]
>
> I don't usually agree with Kulkis, but on this one he's right. If *you*
Actually, I'm right a lot more than what you recognize.
> double the number of partners *you* have, you double your exposure to
> the disease (and your *probability* of contracting disease less than
> doubles). The exponential growth in exposure to infection occurs
> if *everyone* increases the number of partners they have.
>
> Stephen.
> --
> Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
> University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:28:59 GMT
Peter Seebach wrote:
> I have heard many, many, horror stories about this not working. I've heard
> very few stories of Mac disks not booting on different Macs (if they were
> at all supported), and none at all about Unixes (once again, if the hardware
> was anything like supported). By contrast, people in a nearby thread were
> commenting that it's fairly typical to have to reinstall Windows to change
> SCSI controllers.
I've experienced this myself. Try doing something like upgrading the mobo and
CPU but leaving everything else the same. Windows will go completely wacko
upon reboot, loading drivers for things it already had, asking for drivers in
an impossible manner (like asking for the IDE driver from the win CD when your
CD-ROM is attached to that very same IDE channel).
I've gone through this more then once with machines at home. I've done it on
a few dual boot machines as well... When linux boots, it sees the changes as
well, but simply uses the new hardware and/or stops using the hardware that's
gone, and boots right up.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
More favorite error messages:
"Press almost any key to continue"
"System Error: the operation completed successfully"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: 18 Jun 2001 21:28:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:25:39 -0700, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > > >> Shut Down... path is for? Thanks to Microsoft for extending
>> > > Windows slimey tenticles to my power supply. I can't wait to find out
>> > > what "PCHealth" is going to do to my other hard disk partitions.
>> >
>> > *sigh*
>> >
>> > I find it quite amazing that we live in an age where
>> > people actually complain about convenience. Go fig.
>>
>> If I use Start -> Shutdown -> Shutdown my machine shuts down and powers
> off
>> so fast that at the next switch on Scandisk goes through its thing and
> gives
>> me a row. (Win98).
>>
>> On windows 2000 it shagged it good and proper.
> "winnt\system32\config\system
>> is missing or corrupted".
>>
>> Reiserfs seems to have survived so far...
>>
>> I now select restart and switch the UPS off when the reboot starts.
> I love stories likes these from the (your pick) a) incompetent or b) liars
I actually had the same problem with winME on my asus ATA/266/athlon thunderbird
1.33ghz board running 2 ATA/100 60 gig IBM drives. According to microsoft, this
happens because the motherboard I have responds to the signaling to spin down its
drives WAY too fast, and spins them down before the OS is finished writing to
them. There is a fix on the software updates page for winME concerning this
issue.
Now then jan, what exactly were you saying about liars or incompentants?
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:56:10 +0200
Seán Ó Donnchadha wrote:
>
> "Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Why does appfoo break?
>>
>
> Appfoo breaks because it relied on a bug in libfoo-1.1 which was fixed in
> libfoo-1.2. And it doesn't even have to be a bug; it could just be some
> underspecified behavior.
>
Fine. I like that they fixed the bug.
>>
>> Waht happened to libfoo-1.1 ?
>>
>
> It's still there, but no longer used, since both programs load libfoo
> through the libfoo.so.1 symbolic link, which now points at libfoo.so.1.2.
>
No, it does not. Forget your windows mentality here.
>>
>> How come this problem you
>> are describing here does *not* happen that way on linux?
>>
>
> Your question is based on an incorrect assumption. You obviously don't
> understand the problem...
>
I understand the problem. You do not.. This is not windows.
Peter
--
If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:15:00 +0200
Bill Todd wrote:
>
> "Peter Seebach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3b2e4b03$0$325$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9gc8qb$lbt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> >Windows actually does a semi-decent job of boot-time configuration, to
> the
>> >point that an image of your old system will quite possibly boot on a
>> >different system - after which you can perform the upgrade installation.
>>
>> I have heard many, many, horror stories about this not working. I've
> heard
>> very few stories of Mac disks not booting on different Macs (if they were
>> at all supported), and none at all about Unixes (once again, if the
> hardware
>> was anything like supported). By contrast, people in a nearby thread
>> were commenting that it's fairly typical to have to reinstall Windows to
>> change SCSI controllers.
>
> While I'm not a great fan of Windows, the above has a definite odor of FUD
> to it. Why not let the people with *direct* experience comment, so that
> one can properly ascertain what real problems may of may not have
> occurred, and why?
>
You are telling BS.
I have experienced exactly this 3 times. Each time Windows had to be
reinstalled completely from scratch, because it simply did not work.
And just today a friend of mine called. He had switched the MoBo from
a PentiumII 350 MHz to an Athlon 800MHz.
He reinstalled from scratch after 3 hours of trying to get that damn thing
to work. Even the CD-Rom was no longer present. No network card.
Kind of hard to put in new drivers then.
Those MS-developers who did that job deserve to be grilled alive after
beeing flocked. They proved to be even more braindead than Windows
already is.
Peter
--
Microsoft is not the the answer.
Microsoft is the question.
The answer is NO
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