Linux-Advocacy Digest #380, Volume #32 Wed, 21 Feb 01 17:13:04 EST
Contents:
What do I do with a Windows partition? ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (John Rudd)
Re: Into the abyss... (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS seeks Gov't help to stop blacks from using computersRe: Microsoft (Aaron
Kulkis)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Check out this Windows bug ("Nigel")
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What do I do with a Windows partition?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:11:37 +0100
Folks,
After a few weeks of checking whether or not my internet
connection would die on me under Linux (God knows I've made some
stupid mistakes to get it running), after downloading several
megs of useful software (don't we just loooove 'apt'), I find
myself in the happy situation that for my personal use I just
dont *need* nor want to boot into Windows anymore.
My needs are simple: I read email and USENET, surf the web, type up the
occasional document for my boss, rip my CD collection to MP3 and
I am getting back into programming after taking a 10 year
timeout. Linux just fills *my* needs perfectly. However this does
leave me with a totally useless partition on my harddisk, and I
keep wondering what am I going to do with it.
For the record, I have two harddrives: hda is partitioned as 1.5G Win98, 4.5G root
partition, and a 4G /opt for applications. My second HD contains
the home directories for 5 user accounts (my flatmate and
friends), and my source code files.
So you see I have plenty of drive space. The question is is
there anything I can do with that 1.5G (5% of my total
drivespace), does anyone know what would be useful, or should I
just keep Win98 around (it's just wasting space now anyway)?
Mart
--
YahDu (Yet another happy Debian user)
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:21:09 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Karel Jansens wrote:
>>
>> It couldn't have been that difficult (*), given that the ODIN project
>> (an open source initiative of the OS/2 NetLabs) is pretty much
>> achieving that goal right now (It's pretty nifty: instead of going for
>> the WinOS/2 emulation, ODIN translates Win32 executables into OS/2
>> exes, so you end up with Word
>> 2000 for OS/2(**)!).
>
> I wish we had a project like that going in the Linux world. It wouldn't
> even need to be perfect. Developers could take an imperfect
> implementation and fix it once it's ported.
>
Heh. OS/2 NetLabs has another project running, called "Everblue". It's
supposed to be the linux equivalent of ODIN: translating linux binaries so
that they can run seamlessly on the WPS without the need of XfreeOS/2 to
replace the WPS.
Be afwaid. Be vewy afwaid. <G>
>>
>> (*) Not putting down the ODIN crowd, of course!
>> (**) Assuming anyone would really _want_ that...
>
> Sure we'd want that. It would instantly fulfill the Wine project's
> unfulfilled promise, while giving Windows users an alternative for
> hundreds of applications.
>
Do you mean that you actually would want to run Word??? The last version
of that wordprocessor that was bearable was version 2.0. After that, it
all went downhill (and nowadays, right into the bedrock).
Speaking as (sort of) the Devil's advocate: I would personally prefer the
energy invested in Wine to be redirected towards native linux programs.
Remember: Wine also brought us Corel Office 2000; how much lower can you
get? <G>
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:22:04 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald R. McGregor) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >In article <96ucn0$qgm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >>>> >> I can't say I follow UK politics too well, but I doubt that's the
> >>>> >> problem. The problem is that a government typically operates at
> >>>> >> or slightly beyond the legal limits of its authority. With no
> >>>> >> full equivalent of the US Constitution to restrict its powers,
> >>>> >> the UK government can get away with more, and does.
> >>>> >
> >>>> No. We live in a democracy and we are free to not have guns if we
> >>>> wish.
> >
> >This returns to the idea of a written constitution with enumerated
> >rights that are not subject to simple majority rule.
>
> Even written constitutions are capable of amendment. An amendment to this
> hypothetical written UK constitution would easily gain enough support to be
> passed. Any attempt to introduce Prohibition, however, would be doomed to
> failure. Your written constitution didn't help you there, did it?
>
> Your faith in a written constitution is misplaced. The former Soviet Union
> had one of the most extensive Bills of Rights ever written and look how far
> it got them. The separation of powers is a far more important principle,
> IMO.
The more precisely an individuals rights are defined, the easier
it is to sidestep those rights and oppress the populace.
The US Constitution works so well precisely because the Bill of Rights
is written in very broad terms.
>
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:29:03 -0800
From: John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> John Rudd wrote:
> >
> > I don't buy it. There's another way to avoid those flamewars: ignore or
> > killfile those people and their attacks. That accomplishes the same
> > goal AND does it without negatively impacting bystanders. But that
> > wouldn't satisfy your need to stroke the ego that came up with your
> > savior complex.
>
>
> Ignoring savage insults and accusations implies to the observer that
> that insults and accusations are true.
>
> I *REFUSE* to allow my name to be besmirched without response.
>
Which confirms my statement. You don't have a strong enough a) ego, b)
sense of self worth, c) sense of maturity to base your self worth on
your own internal barometer. Instead, you have to respond to all
outside tests instead of knowing within yourself whether or not the
items are true, and trusting that those people whose opinions are
important will be able to sift the wheat from the chaff.
I hate to give trite examples, but you are essentially suffering from
the same immaturity that Marty McFly has in the 2nd and 3rd "Back to the
Future" movies. He can't resist a challenge if told he's chicken, and
you can't resist the implied challege of an insult. Clearly there's no
more point in continuing the discussion: you have no mental framework
for dealing with life in the adult world.
Grow up.
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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Into the abyss...
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:35:19 +1000
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ian Pulsford"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Then what struck me about FreeBSD was that I get a beautiful, clean,
> > stable installation of a core unix(-like) system, without strange
> ^^^^^^
>
> BSD is UNIX.
>
UNIX is a trademark of X/Open that costs money to license. Duck! Here
comes the Rev. Don Kool!
IanP
--
"Dear someone you've never heard of,
how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:33:50 -0500
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >then why all of the bullet-riddled bodies in British morgues these days?
>
> Which bullet-riddled bodies are those?
Take a trip down to the London morgue and find out.
> Don't forget, I actually live here. Can
Then you shoud probably remember, about 6-12 months ago, when,
despite your childish hand-gun ban, a couple of big-name recording
artists were held up at gun point just outside of a downtown
recording studio.
Exactly what did the handgun ban do to prevent this crime,
other than to ensure that the victims were sitting ducks,
completely at the mercy of the criminals.
> you provide some evidence that the number of bullet-riddled bodies has
> increased since the ban on hand guns? Should be easy for you to do if the
> facts are on your side.
>
> ian.
>
> \ /
> (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:34:23 -0500
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >then why all of the bullet-riddled bodies in British morgues these days?
>
> Which bullet-riddled bodies are those? Don't forget, I actually live here. Can
> you provide some evidence that the number of bullet-riddled bodies has
> increased since the ban on hand guns? Should be easy for you to do if the
> facts are on your side.
>
Ignorant and stupid isn't gonna win ya any battles, Ian.
> ian.
>
> \ /
> (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:34:44 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joshua Hesse) wrote in
> <96utdo$hl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >In comp.sys.next.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > :>
> > :> > Who's running the place, Hilter?
> > : ^^^^^^
> >
> > :Reminds me of the Monty Python skit about Hitler, having immigrated to
> > :England, under the assumed name of Hilter.
> >
> >*DING*DING*DING*
> >
> >Finally, *somebody* got the reference to Monty Python.
> >I was starting to wonder...
> >
> >-Josh
>
> Hmm. Does Godwin apply here?
***FUCK*** Godwin
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:36:27 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Jim Broughton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : This really would be a good piece of advocacy if you had not used all the foul
> : language. Clean it up and repost it. Include more facts. The best advocacy is
> : a smart advocacy not an obscene one.
>
> If you want "mouth like a sailor" advocacy, check out Aaron Kulkus.
Shaming is the ONLY thing that works with Windows-advocating liars.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS seeks Gov't help to stop blacks from using computersRe: Microsoft
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:37:31 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Which is why Gates doesn't like it.
>
> Not to mention Intel. Only reason for a Linux user to upgrade gear is to get
> all the better performance.
>
> : I don't think he was being racist. He was saying that, like so many
> : other who pretend to be "protecting the public" oftentimes have racial
> : motives in mind.
>
> Yeah, I know too well. This is a hazard of a culture with more than one ethnic
> group. People get sensitive.
In the US, most of the "gun control" movement is motivated by a
"how can we keep blacks from having guns" outlook on life.
>
> : Ever notice how the majority of the strictest gun-control laws are
> : in those localities with a high proportion of black residents...
> : and that these same gun laws ALWAYS allow exceptions for the very
> : same people who claim that nobody "needs" a gun.
>
> Of course. What else is new?
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:38:04 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > At the cost of a few human lives. (if you don't see the connection,
> > look harder. If the Chinese government uses Linux for their primary
> > OS, and changes are contributed to support the Chinese government,
> > then clearly Linux is actively being used to assist human rights
> > violations)
> >
> > If that doesn't matter to you, no big deal. If it does, you'd be a
> > hypocrite to use Linux.
>
> Will you be boycotting the written word then, since the Chinese invented
> the printing press? How about gunpowder?
And the magnetic compass.
>
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Nigel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Check out this Windows bug
Date: 21 Feb 2001 21:38:44 GMT
> One of the obstacles faced by a new writable media standard is the lack
> of need for a replacement. Even a 120mb floppy is puny next to 80gb
> hard drives being produced today, which eliminates them as a storage
> medium. As far as transfer to another computer, it's easier to use a
> NIC. That pretty much relegates the floppy to duty as emergency
> backup. For that, 1.4mb is sufficient.
>
If you need more space then get a CDRW drive - most users can't write to
CDR disks but anyone can read them - also has a second use for making
audio compilations. Also the blank disks are almost as cheap as 1.44mb
floppys yet hold up to 700mb - nearly 6x the capacity of those 120mb floppys
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:41:55 -0500
Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > Bloody Viking wrote:
> > >
> > > . ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > : > Actually, a recent independent study (again, quoted by Microsoft Press Corp,
> > > : > but still independently proven) has indicated that Microsoft's Win2k servers
> > > : > can regularly incur up-time in the '5 9's' range. 99.999%.
> > >
> >
> > This man is lying.
> >
> > That's 5 9's for a CLUSTER of 5 Lose2k machines.
> >
> > which is pretty pathetic...it means that with 4 or fewer Lose2k
> > machines, it's almost certain that ALL FOUR MACHINES WILL BE
> > DOWN SIMULTANEOUSLY for at least 5 minutes per year.
> >
> > Solaris can accomplish this with ONE machine.
> > Linux too.
> >
>
> It really depends on your hardware (and it might be difficult in 3rd-world
> areas like California ;-)
>
> Given a good power supply and no need for an OS upgrade you could expect
> a low-end SPARC box to stay up for about the first 3 years; then you
> might
> start to see hardware failures. You'd probably expect another 6-12 months
> after the first disk failure if you're using mirrored disk. It can be a
> bummer if you reboot without checking the md status and sd3 has failed :-(
>
> Higher-end systems tend to be subject to data centre operations regimes,
> so get taken down for hardware maintenance, adding disks, CPUs, RAM, etc
> more frequently, but the site usually stays up because the users get shifted
> to the hot spare. Starfires and SAN devices have changed the rules a bit,
> but they've only been around a few years so it's hard to say just how
> reliable they are yet :-)
>
> Linux probably isn't quite as stable as Solaris, and Intel boxes tend not
> to be built down to a price more than SPARC. There really aren't any Intel
> boxes in the same league as the high-end Suns.
>
> You probably need to cluster Solaris or Linux boxes to guarantee 5 nines
> as well, though you'd usually load-share while both boxes are up.
>
> To be fair to NT (and I haven't read the article) the reason for using
> 5-node clusters may be to improve the probability of the voting going
> the right way. Apparently (and this might be computer folklore) there
> was a reasonably high incidence of the majority being wrong in the old
> 3-way voting systems used by NASA and the military.
Do you *really* think that such things had even the slightest influence
on Microsoft?....with all of the buggy-infested shit they release, you
think they're gonna worry about something like that?
No...if they could merely keep a 4-box cluster running to "5 9's",
they would have advertised it to be something accomplished with
only 4 boxes. REGARDLESS of whether the voting system is proper or not
>
> I almost forgot. A client had a HA Sequent box acting as an FTP gateway.
> I think they installed it in 1994 or 1995, and eventually retired it
> in 1999 because it wasn't Y2K-compliant (nary a reboot between going
> live and switching off at the end of it's useful life) It probably stayed
> up well into 2000. I guess some Intel boxes *can* be reliable after all.
>
> [ snip ]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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