Linux-Advocacy Digest #380, Volume #33            Thu, 5 Apr 01 07:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: NT multitasking: some humiliating defeats! :) (GreyCloud)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Scott Erb)
  Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and 
lies about free software) (Stefaan A Eeckels)
  Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Stefaan A Eeckels)
  Re: Stupid error message (Toby A Inkster Esq)
  Re: Too expensive, too invasive  (was: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it) (Bloody 
Viking)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.  (Mathew)
  Re: Communism confession  (Mathew)
  Re: Baseball ("Matthew Gardiner")
  Re: 696 Native MacOSX Apps So Far - ("mdew")
  Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor ("crg")
  Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (Jan Vorbrueggen)

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT multitasking: some humiliating defeats! :)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:40:29 -0700

"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> 
> Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:00:58
>    [...]
> >Any computer that has a multi-tasking O/S can run over 255 programs...
> 
> In theory or in reliable practice?  Any OS but Windows, maybe.  Monopoly
> crapware, I'm not so sure about.
> 

In reliable practice...  Back around 1965 a navy facility had a large
computer system. Each user was given 4k of memory max for their
processes.  They had on-line about 30 people.  It took a while to get
things done back then, but it was reliable.  Hard to imagine even to try
that anymore with such a small memory.  No VDTs, just keypunch units and
old teletypes.

Also the PDP-11/45s could do it albeit small programs.

> >Its a matter of if you want the results today or sometime next year.
> 
> Only one reboot allowed, know what I mean?
> 
> --
> T. Max Devlin
>   *** The best way to convince another is
>           to state your case moderately and
>              accurately.   - Benjamin Franklin ***

-- 
V

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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 05:13:42 -0400



"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> "Scott D. Erb" wrote:
> > At the very least now Social Democrats and most leftists recognize that the vision 
>of
> > "scientific socialism" espoused by Lenin and the Communists was not only wrong, but
> 
> And why did it take 80 FUCKING YEARS for you assholes to admit what we have
> been saying all along????????

You are ignorant of history.  The SPD broke with Communism right away
after the Russian revolution, and had fierce battles in the 20's with
the KPD (the SPD is the Social Democrats of Germany, the KPD the
Communist party).  The SAP of Sweden and social democrats of Scandinavia
formed their own democratic anti-stalinist variant of socialism over
seventy years ago.  Social Democrats have always been anti-Communist.

You're just beating up straw men that don't exist, and not dealing nwith
reality.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Subject: Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallman what a 
tosser, and lies about free software)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:10:11 +0200

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
> 
> In the meantime, just how does M$ using the known working, debugged IP stack
> from BSD hurt you? Hint: If it instead had been GPVed, M$ would never have
> touched it, and instead stuck with their own known buggy stack, and I (and
> you, indirectly) would have to put up with the breakage.

One could argue that without the BSD stack, Windows would never
have been the success it is (we'll never know, but...). 
I can understand people feeling queazy about software released
for the benefit of all playing a (large) part in the "success
story" of a company that doesn't tolerate diversity in the
marketplace, releases low quality software, and competes using
illegal practices.

-- 
Stefaan
-- 
How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just
one guy working on the project?  It's much more impressive to have a
battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:10:21 +0200

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Said Stefaan A Eeckels in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 4 Apr 2001 
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>      [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:13:35 GMT, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>restriction claim.   More modern environments allow dynamic
>>>>linking so in many cases there is in fact no copyrighted material
>>>>distributed - and in some instances dynamic loading where the
>>>>libraries are not even known prior to execution time.  How can
>>>>you reconcile that with your statement that the code is or isn't
>>>>derived when it is written?
>>> 
>>> The dynamic loading one is a very interesting issue indeed, one I hadn't 
>>> considered. It would certainly appear not to be a "derived work" if the
>>> library isn't required for execution (eg an image viewer that dlopen()s 
>>> various graphics libraries)
>>
>>In any case, _if_ there's a derivative work created, it's in
>>the memory of the machine when all the code has been loaded.
>>No distribution ever takes place, hence licenses that restrict
>>modification and distribution only don't apply. 
> 
> I can understand why that should be so.  It makes a pretense, however,
> out of copyright, in my opinion (and I presume the FSF's.)
> 
> It makes more sense, to me, that the derivative work is the program
> which requires the library, regardless of any techniques that might deal
> with the literal text of the object code.  If you distribute that
> program that needs that library, you are distributing derivative works.

How can source code that doesn't contain a single line of
a library be a derivative work of the library, unless you
accept API copyrights (which no-one, including the FSF,
accepts)?

Software is sufficiently different from litterature and music
to cause friction when treated under laws that were drafted with
books, plays and music in mind. I've argued that assimilating a
running program in memory with a "copy" isn't sensible, but the
law says it is. The law also clearly stipulates what a derivative
work is, and by that definition, the source code of a program 
is not a derivative work of anything it might call, refer to,
or be combined with when it is executing. The binary form of a
program (which is a derivative work of the source code) that
dynamically links to a shared library does not contain any code
from the shared library, and hence it doesn't seem to match
the definition of a derivative work. 
To put it in litterary terms:

"<character> ran into a wall."

is not a derivative work, whereas

"Donald Duck ran into a wall."

is a derivative work of IP owned by Disney, even when
"<character>" is clearly designed to be replaced by 
something more specific.

> So far, that specific issue has not be tested at all in court.  But the
> copyright cases involving video game consoles seems to support it in
> some ways but not in others.  Yes, to say that a console maker cannot
> prevent someone from "writing to their platform" seems to contradict the
> open use of whatever code is lying around.  But the more subtle points
> in these decisions seem to indicate that it is *not* the metaphysics of
> intellectual property which decide such things, but the commercial
> implications and arrangements which result from them.  Copyright law may
> teleologically exist in order to protect our natural right to property,
> but in the real world it exists so that science and technology are not
> subservient to capitalism.  Copyright is book-keeping, not metaphysics.

Please don't stand too close to a dictionary ;-)

You are wrong on all counts. 
The Sega decision doesn't allow you to use "whatever code is
lying around".
Copyright law does _not_ exist to "protect our natural right
to property", but to further the development of arts and sciences,
by turning something that is not "naturally" considered 
property into a form of property, so that the owner can
derive benefits from producing and "selling" that property.
In addition, there is no "natural right to property". 
And in the real world, copyright does not exist so that "science
and technology are not subservient to capitalism". That's
your take on it, and indeed, you _can_ use copyright to limit
access to your IP to people who are like-minded, but that's an
effect of the limited monopoly you're granted, not the intent of
the law.
Finally, copyright is neither book-keeping, nor metaphysics. 

Please go away.

-- 
Stefaan
-- 
How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just
one guy working on the project?  It's much more impressive to have a
battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl)

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From: Toby A Inkster Esq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid error message
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:30:12 +0100

In our last episode, Bob Nelson wrote:

:Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>   The name specified is not recognized as an
:>>   internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
:
:>> Is there any other operating system in the world with such a
:>> stupid and needlessly verbose error message?
:
:>     "Press any key to abort or any other key to continue"
:
:...and this from mgetty (snipped from syslog):
:
:Apr  5 03:05:16 renpen mgetty[1669]: wfr: error in read(): Success

Apparently Windows sometimes exhibits the following message when
trying to delete a file from a full drive:

    "ERROR: Out of disk space. Please delete some files."

and doesn't delete the file.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Too expensive, too invasive  (was: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it)
Date: 5 Apr 2001 10:33:31 GMT


Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: Netscape singlehandedly made the Web a household term.

And Microshit made computering a household activity. We would agree that 
Microshit is evil, but every company that makes proprietary software resorts 
to the Proprietary File Format. Netscrape failed only becuse Microshit pulled 
out the Product Dumping tactic with Internet Exploiter. Now, there's so many 
Netscrape/Exploder-only web sites that you can barely use any other browser. 
It's all becuse of originally Netscrape-only .HTML extensions. Try any other 
browser and see how the web has a lot of useless sites. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. 
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:35:24 +1000



On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > 
> >    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >>
> >    >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> Mathew wrote:
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> Mathew wrote:
> >    >> >> > >    >> >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> For a person who constantly calls people"little dictators"
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> and "fascists" , Aaron certainky takes the cake for 
>personifying
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> his own words.
> >    >> >> > >    >> >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> A product of fascist military indoctrination ,no doubt.
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> So, protecting your constitutional rights is fascist now.
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> You have repeatedly threatened to kill people for their 
>political
> >    >> >> > >    >> beliefs.  That is not protecting their Constitutional Rights.
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> No, I have not.
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > > Yes you have.  You have said that people should be killed for
> >    >> >> > > merely being democrats.
> >    >> >> >
> >    >> >> > No.  They should be punished for committing treason.
> >    >> >> >
> >    >> >> > The most egregious, such as Clinton, should be executed.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> And the the totalitarin regime in Afghanistan,that happnened because Bush
> >    >> >> Sr. sold their freedom down the drain?
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> [Note that once again, Matthew is advocating for the Communists...and
> >    Aaron> he *still* claims he's not a weaselly Marxist bastard].
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> What freedom?  When?
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> Afghanistan has *NEVER* had any freedom....and in fact, has never had
> >    Aaron> ANY force which represents freedom fighting for it.
> >    >>
> >    >> This is true, and clearly shows Reagan to have been lying
> >    >> when he called the thugs he armed "Freedom Fighters".
> >    >>
> > 
> >    Aaron> Freedom from Communism to go their own way.
> > 
> > Unlike you, I do not play favorites among totalitarians.
> 
> No..the United States did *NOT* choose any totalitarians in Afghanistan.
> 

What about supporting the  totalitarian Iranians?


> At the time we were giving support to the Afghans, there were 8 MAJOR
> factions opposing the Soviets, and numerous lesser ones.
> 
> NOBODY knew which faction would consolidate when the time would come
> that the Soviets would leave.
> 
> > 
> > Unlike you, I think all totalitarians suck.
> 
> So do I.
> 
> > 
> > But then, unlike you I do not wish to be a totalitarian.
> 
> At least not openly....but you keep pushing for public policy which
> DEMANDS a totalitarian state for the policies to get implemented.
> 
> 
> > 
> > And of course, unlike you, I am not a cowardly lying forger.
> 
> blah blah blah
> 
> > 
> > --
> > Andrew Hall
> > (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
> 
> K: Truth in advertising:
>       Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
>       Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
>       Special Interest Sierra Club,
>       Anarchist Members of the ACLU
>       Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
>       The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
>       Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> 
> 
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
>    The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
>    also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> 
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
>    challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
>    between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
>    Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> 
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
>     premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
>     you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
>     you are lazy, stupid people"
> 
> G:  Knackos...you're a retard.
> 
> 
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>    adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> 
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
>    her behavior improves.
> 
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>    ...despite (C) above.
>  
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> 
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
>    method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
>    direction that she doesn't like.
> 
> A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.
> 
> 

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Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism confession 
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:36:54 +1000



On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > 
> >    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >>
> >    >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >> >>
> >    Aaron> You know...name some Communist-style government policies that
> >    Aaron> you disagree with.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> Forgery alert, the original statement by the liar Mr. Kulkis was
> >    >> >> "that you agree with".  He, unwilling to admit his error, chose
> >    >> >> to lie.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> His original statement was in message id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> >> >> Can't think of any in the real world.
> >    >> >>
> >    Aaron> then you're a Communist.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> >> Because I do not agree with any of their policies?
> >    >> >>
> >    Aaron> You just said that you can't think of any that you do disagree with.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> You are a cowardly lying sack of shit.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> >>
> >    >> >> >> Please explain your "logic"?
> >    >> >> >>
> >    Aaron> Thank you for admitting that you are an enemy of the US Constitution.
> >    >> >> >>
> >    >> >> >> No, that would be you, for your communist like calls for the deaths
> >    >> >> >> of those that disagree with you.
> >    Aaron> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >    >> >>
> >    Aaron> You misspelled "have contempt for the Constitution"
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> No, you are lying, again.
> >    >> >>
> >    Aaron> This fact will be recorded for posterity.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> >> What you imagine to be facts and reality seldom concur.
> >    >> >>
> >    Aaron> Heheheheheheh
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> Shut up forger.
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> Pot Snow Black.
> >    >>
> >    >> No, unlike you I tell the truth.
> > 
> >    Aaron> Your are obviously using a definition of "truth" that is unknown to the 
>rest of us.
> > 
> > You have delusions of adequacy.
> 
> Yes, I'm always underestimating myself.
> 
> 
> > 
> >    >> Kulkis, cowardly lying forger.  And I have the proof.
> > 
> >    Aaron> blah blah blah.
> > 
> > See what I mean about being cowardly?
> 
> 
> Ever been in combat?

Ever been married?


> 
> 
> > 
> > --
> > Andrew Hall
> > (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
> 
> K: Truth in advertising:
>       Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
>       Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
>       Special Interest Sierra Club,
>       Anarchist Members of the ACLU
>       Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
>       The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
>       Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> 
> 
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
>    The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
>    also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> 
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
>    challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
>    between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
>    Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> 
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
>     premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
>     you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
>     you are lazy, stupid people"
> 
> G:  Knackos...you're a retard.
> 
> 
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>    adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> 
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
>    her behavior improves.
> 
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>    ...despite (C) above.
>  
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> 
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
>    method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
>    direction that she doesn't like.
> 
> A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.
> 
> 

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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:54:34 +1200

LOL!!!

Matthew Gardiner

"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > So thats why the public never see's his (Bill Gates's) misses, she
probably
> > too assamed to associated with him (Bill Gates).
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Microsoft will go the full monty and deliver a stable OS for
once?
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > >
> > >
> > > LOL!  But GEE... Bill Gates has nothing to hide!
> > >
> > > :-))
> > >
>
> Well, on her wedding night, she finally realized the true meaning of
> MicroSoft!



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From: "mdew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 696 Native MacOSX Apps So Far -
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:08:45 +1200

In article <samijoy-088065.02171205042001@[151.164.30.58]>, "SamanthaJoy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Seems like OSX is really moving fast... 696 Apps have now been
> written... Here is an amazing link to get up to speed:
> 
> http://osx.hyperjeff.net/links.html

considering some of these apps is just recompiled *nix apps, I saw some
gtk+ apps there.. 696 apps is a little jumping the gun. and as pointed
out before OS-X sure is a good OS, but its limited to PPC.

-- 



mdew
http://wmaker.orcon.net.nz   |   IRC/Undernet/#windowmaker

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From: "crg" <craig.*REMOVE.THIS*[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:00:30 +0100
Reply-To: "crg" <craig.*REMOVE.THIS*[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Windows only: www.jcreator.com

"Knowledge Seeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a full-featured yet easy to use text editor to
> replace Notepad.  Ideally, I would like a tool that is cross-platform
> or has versions for Win98 and Linux.  The main platform requirement
> would be Win98 and the nice-to-have platform is Linux.
>
> There seem to be a plethora of choices that might work:
> UltraEdit
> TextPad
> EditPlus
> WinEdit
> Multi-Edit
> Zeus
> CRiSP
>
> Right now I am leaning to UltraEdit but I have not done a true
> rigorous evaluation.  I would definitely like to hear from anybody
> that has done a true objective comparative evaluation of these
> products (or others that I have not listed).
>
> My actual requirements are:
>
> Must haves:
> 1. Syntax highlighting (with color and or font) for HTML and Java
> 2. Robust cut and paste including row, AND column AND block
> capabilities
> 3. Split and join functions based on margin or specified column
> 4. Ability to intelligently remove prefix characters (i.e. ">") and
> re-format text to new margins keeping paragraphs intact (i.e. fixing
> forwarded email text)
> 5. Ability to edit multiple files side-by-side
> 6. Ability to compare files and synchronize multiple similar files
> flagging differences
> 7. Robust search and replace capabilities (ideally supporting
> regular expressions)
> 8. Line numbering
> 9. Column numbering
> 10. Auto-completion (based on customizable template)of common
> programming statements
> 11. Ability to preview HTML pages (including Java applets) easily
> 12. HTML toolbar (I know I should know all the tags but I just cannot
> remember them all)
> 13. Can be used as a replacement for Notepad (so it must be
> relatively quick and have a small footprint)
> 14. Highlights URL and e-mail addresses and launches browser or email
> client in a separate window when clicked
> 15. Ability to change case for entire selected text
> 16. Auto indent based on user-defined templates for each programming
> language
> 17. Auto alignment (I.e. if I want a set of lines with the "=" sign
> or decimal point or comma aligned on multiple rows)
> 18. Undo capability
>
> Nice to haves:
> 1. Syntax highlighting for Perl, C/C++, and SQL.  Also, extensibility
> for other programming languages based on easily customized syntax
> files.
> 2. Ability to use FTP
> 3. Spell checker
> 4. Ability to compile from within the editor
> 5. Keystroke save/execute (i.e. macro capability)
>
>
> --
> eCommerce Knowledge Seeker



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From: Jan Vorbrueggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: 05 Apr 2001 13:03:59 +0200

Robert Harley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [...] an 833 MHz Alpha peaks at 544 versus 539 for a 1.33
> GHz Athlon and 536 for a 1.5 GHz Pentium 4 on CINT2000. 

This is really within measurement error - see the variability of the results
for equivalent Pentium IV systems, which is in that range.

        Jan

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