Linux-Advocacy Digest #462, Volume #32 Sun, 25 Feb 01 01:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Dave Vandervies)
Re: RTFM at M$ ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: M$ doing it again! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: State of linux distros (Ray Chason)
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: State of linux distros (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Vandervies)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 25 Feb 2001 04:41:14 GMT
In article <979q95$6dk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dave Vandervies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Really?
>
>--------
>dj3vande@mef08:~ (0) $ cat > foo.c
>#include <math.h>
>
>double deg2rad(double degrees) )
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That line was supposed to be
double deg2rad(double deg)
but it appears that my editor decided to interpret the backspaces the
way cat did when I typed them instead of showing them to me so that I
could clean them up.
>{
> return deg * M_PIl / 180;
>}
>dj3vande@mef08:~ (0) $ gcc -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -O -c foo.c
>foo.c: In function `deg2rad':
>foo.c:5: `M_PIl' undeclared (first use in this function)
>foo.c:5: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
>foo.c:5: for each function it appears in.)
>foo.c:6: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
>dj3vande@mef08:~ (1) $
>--------
>
>Funny, it doesn't seem to be defined in _my_ math.h...
dave
--
Dave Vandervies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We always tell people NOT to mess with their headers, and what do you
do? You go and mess with your headers. Honestly, I despair sometimes.
--Richard Heathfield flames Dan Pop in comp.lang.c
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:19:22 -0600
"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Le0m6.6258$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I fail to understand the correlation. MS blocks pings at the border,
long
> > before it gets to a machine other than a router. This is to prevent the
> > most common DoS attacks.
>
> I thought the most common DoS attacks were SYN floods.
Not just pings, but all ICMP.
Notice the routers name:
icpmscomc7503-a0-00-1.cp.msft.net
Most DoS attacks are ICMP based.
> I've never heard
> of a DoS attack with normal, short, non-broadcast pings (and a quick
> google search failed to point me to any - I would be grateful if anyone
> could show me a documented case).
They block all ICMP.
> Why do yahoo.com, google.com, and
> other high-profile sites not see the need to block valid pings?
Because they don't tend to be as large a target as MS is. MS is bombarded
daily by script kiddies, and only very seldom do they succeed.
> Not
> that I'm going to lose sleep over MS pings, but it just seems to be
> another small example of MS doing things their "own way".
It's actually getting to be quite common. Try pinging www.netscape.com,
www.aol.com, www.att.com, www.gm.com, etc..
> If they've
> been blocking them for 3 or more years, maybe blocking all pings was
> just a quick-and-dirty fix to their NT "ping-of-death" bug a few years
> back, that they didn't bother to unfix after the NT patch.
No, since pinging them is not all that productive, why leave a potential
hole open?
> I have heard of ultra-paranoid security people recommending blocking
> pings, although more to "hide" the system from OS-type detection via
> subtle packet "signatures" (nmap program) than to prevent DoS attacks.
Any machine that has a single port open can still be vulnerable to these.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:20:33 -0600
"Brent Pathakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Y90m6.108$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi Erik,
> > >
> > > > MS has already stated in several places, including the Whistler SDK
> > > > (available online freely to anyone) that the theming API's would not
> > > > be
> > > > released. The reason, is that they want to ensure that all themes
> > > > follow the basic windows UI guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure MS will license the theme SDK to developers that agree to
> > > > abide by UI guidelines and certify the themes, but that won't happen
> > > > till at least the release of whistler.
> > >
> > > I appreciate the confirmation that Microsoft will not be releasing the
> > > theming APIs.
> > >
> > > I was silly enough to think that Microsoft no longer practiced hiding
> > > API specifications from the public and developers.
> >
> > All OS's have unpublished API's, including Linux. You can find all
kinds
> > of API's that are inside the kernel but do not appear in man pages
because
> > they're intended to be used internally inside the kernel itself without
a
> > published interface.
> >
> > Where someone like MS would get in trouble is if their apps, like office
> > used those API's to their advantage, and nobody has yet proved this to
be
> > the case. Andrew Schulman published a book years ago called
Undocumented
> > Windows which exposed MS's use of hidden API's in 16 bit versions of
> > Office,
> > but also proved that using those API's gave them no advantage. Most of
it
> > was left over from the Windows 2.x days.
> >
> >
> >
> --snip
> All OS's have unpublished API's, including Linux. You can find all kinds
of
> API's that are inside the kernel but do not appear in man pages because
> they're intended to be used internally inside the kernel itself without a
> published interface.
> --
> You're miising a point here....at least with Linux you have the source
> code, whether or not it's not the man pages.
Those API's are not intended to be used outside of the kernel. I can
reverse engineer the windows kernel too, doesn't make it any more
"published".
------------------------------
From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 05:20:41 -0000
Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Debian, on the other hand, may not have as large a market share -
>although it's hard to measure, since nobody buys it from shelves or
>downloads ISO images - but it's really hard to see how it could go out
>of "business", since it's not really dependent on business to exist.
You can get a boxed Debian distribution; IIRC VA Linux packages it
as "Debian GNU/Linux".
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:49:26 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Brent R wrote:
> >
> >> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >> > Because Linux's desktop has not caught up to Windows.
> >>
> >> Well, the Linux desktop is a lot cooler than Windows. It's a lot more
> >> configurable, but that's IMO of course.
> >>
> >> My main problem with the Linux console is that it's not as attractive
> >> as the Window's desktop.
> >
> > Well, let's compare apples to apples. The console is
> > 80x25 text, but Linux also has a graphical environment.
>
> Not so. The kernel will let you switch in to some text modes and
> SVGATextMode will let you switch in to 1000's of modes ranging grom 20x7
> to 160x64.
>
> I'm running at 160x64 with a 16 pixel font (this requires editing the
> source code for SVGATextMode since it doesn't allow for more that 1024
> lines if you don't edit it). My graphics card has trouble handling such a
> fast text mode dot clock, though (80MHz).
>
Good graphics cards are really cheap these days.
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:52:12 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:46:12 +0000, Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >This is a problem that ppes are fully able to solve:
> >
> >program_that_wont_finish | head -3
> >
> >pipes can solve that problem if multitasking is used. They can not if
> >single tasking is used. Therefore single tasking pipes have only a subset
> >of the functionality of mltitasking. Therefore in order to solve all
> >computations that pipes are able to solve, multitasking is required.
>
> This does not imply that pipes require multitasking. It merely shows that
> a pipe with multitasking has more functionality than a pipe without
> multitasking. If you're using shell syntax and sending the input of
> one job to the output of another as a definition, then even dos pipes
> satisfy the definition.
>
Wrong.
Pipes REQUIRE multitasking.
Pipe are an INTER-PROCESS COMMUNICATION method....*NOT*
short-hand for system-generated tempfiles between seperately
run processes.
Therefore, the DOS implementation is a poor *IMITATION*.
Case closed.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:03:23 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > That's why law-abiding citizens SHOULD HAVE guns....because LAW-ABIDING
> > CITZENS aren't the ones who would shoot you...but their *IS* a good
> > chance that one would shoot some thug who doesn't give a fuck about the
> > laws against murder in the first place.
> >
> >> that is MY right as a free Englishman and I want to keep
> >> that right.
> >
> > Clue for the clueless: criminals don't give a fuck about what you think
> > your rights are.
> >
> >> Since guns are not commonplace here, letting nutters have
> >> them
> >> means oppression, not freedom for me.
> >
> > 1 nutter kills 20 people.
>
> Yep.
>
> > 60 criminals, no longer fearing retaliation by disarmed law-abiding
> > citizens kill 1 person each.
>
> Law abiding citizens here were unarmed anyway because we don't have a gun
> culture, so under our new system, there are 20 less deaths by your
> reckoning.
Post-handgun ban statistics contradict your argument.
>
Apparently the mere idea of a rare law-abiding citizen with a gun
was enough to keep the thugs at bay.
But now that you've outlawed them, your criminals are running
wild because they are 100% confident that all law-abiding individuals
will be unable to defend themselves.
>
> > Which pile of bodies is bigger?
> >
> > Your problem is, you refuse to contemplate the trade-off....that by
> > letting a few nutters have guns, you also give the general public the
> > ability to defend itself against habitual criminals.
>
> The general public didn't have guns anyway, even when they were allowed.
> Under these circumstances, its better to allow nutters not to have them/
>
>
> > Should we outlaw cars because sometimes there are accidents-- completely
> > disregarding that fact that cars save more lives than what they take
> > (quick, sheltered transportation allows people to maintain a higher
> > standard of living, thereby avoiding malnutrition, disease, hypothermia,
> > etc.)
>
> Guns serve one purpose: to kill. The primary purpose of cars is not to
> kill.
Wrong. Guns are designed to launch a small metal projectile at high
velocity.
What that projectile hits is ENTIRELY under the decision-making
of the person holding it.
But...let's assume that you are correct...that guns have ZERO
purpose other than killing.
Is it a good idea that the only people running around English society
with guns on them are the habitual criminals?
What part of "criminals don't obey gun laws" do you not fucking understand?
>
>
> >> To be quite frank, guns or no guns, if they come after me, I am a dead
> >> man.
> >
> > Spoken like a true coward.
>
> No, spoken like someone who has a realistic outlook.
Coward.
>
> > Over here in the states, 80-year-old grandmothers regularly turn punks
> > into swiss cheese....
>
> And you think that people regularly killing each other is a good thing?
>
>
> >> Like I said, they could kill me before I knew they were after me.
> >
> > And so, on that basis, you would deny everybody else a chance to defend
> > themselves.
>
> People here didn't have guns in general anyway. Under these
> circumstances, its better not to let nutters at them.
Tell that to the surviving family members and friends of all of the
mugging and hot-burglary victims who have died in the last year.
I'm sure that they'll find a lot of consolation that their loved
ones have died in the quest to keep guns out of the hands of nutters.
>
>
> > By that logic, your neighbor should prevent you from having a computer
> > because he can't figure out how to use it effectively.
>
> Guns are designed to kill, computers are not.
>
So is poison.
I don't have any poison.
Therefore, I vote that YOU not be allowed to purchase any to get
rid of the mice that invaded your home last month.
Have fun watching your house get destroyed...
>
> >> would stop that govt. shelling the house of someone with a personal
> >> arsenal?
> >
> > A concerted response from the entire neighborhood firing upon the gun
> > crew.
>
> How many civs do you know own enough weaponary to stop a mobile gun
> shelling you from 60 miles away?
Simple...local neighbors AT THE FIRING SITE can take out the gun crew.
Your mis-understanding of government vs. the populace warfare is
indicative of EXACTLY why your army lost the American Revolution.
>
>
> > "Those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither"
> > --Benjamin Franklin
>
> I'm not trading liberty for safety. I get more liberty without guns
> around than with.
You are so naive, you are dangerous.
You really don't have the slightest clue how those at the top
of the pyramid LOVE a working class that is disarmed, unable
to revolt.
Gun control is ALL about suppressing the working classes...
regardless of whatever popular disinformation campaign which
was used to sell you on supporting the idea.
>
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:04:50 -0500
"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
>
> In article <978p1p$gpk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:978knj$p4p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm section 53
> >> >
> >> > (4) A person who makes a disclosure to any other person of anything that
> >> > he
> >> > is required by a section 49 notice to keep secret shall be guilty of an
> >> > offence and liable-
> >> >
> >> > (a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not
> >> > exceeding
> >> > five years or to a fine, or to both
> >>
> >> I think that these are some of the worst laws that have ever been passed.
> >
> >Not by a long shot.
> >http://www.dumblaws.com/
> >
> >Here are some examples:
> >In South Carolina, merchandise may not be sold within a half mile of a
> >church unless fruit is being sold.
> >In Norway, you may not spay your female dog or cat. However, you may neuter
> >the males of the species.
> >In Iowa, Kisses may last for no more than five minutes,
> >a.. One-armed piano players must perform for free.
> >a.. A man with a moustache may never kiss a woman in public.
>
> It's against the law to cross the Minnesota border with a duck on your
> head.
I wonder what turn of events caused THAT idiotic law to be passed.
>
> --
> "'No user-serviceable parts inside.' I'll be the judge of that!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:08:09 -0500
Reefer wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Spot the stupidity.
>
> That would be u, using a early 70:s OS like Linsux....
Strange how every MODERN operating system keeps taking ideas
wholesale from Unix.
And the only ones that are successful are those that implement
the ideas the same as on Unix.
This is why Mafia$oft products fail.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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