Linux-Advocacy Digest #462, Volume #33 Mon, 9 Apr 01 10:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (pip)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (pip)
Re: Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V (Was: t. max devlin: kook) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: t. max devlin: kook ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: t. max devlin: kook (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman (Isaac)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (mlw)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Mott The Hoople)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Scott R. Godin")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Scott R. Godin")
Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman ("JD")
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant ("Ben L. Titzer")
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:11:14 +0100
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> First of all, I said CD-WRITER YOU FUCKING LUSER
> Second of all, get a type writer and give everyone a break.
> Thirdly, why did you use Linux?
Calm down Matt!
While you and I _can_ get the old CD-Writer working under Linux, I would
not say that the process was "easy". Making IDE-APTI cd-writer into a
pseudo scsi device using new kernel modules would certainly put off many
people who are not really into computers. So in a sense, I have some
sympathy with the "it's too hard" comments. If we are to take Linux to
the people then we will have to change the RTFM attitude and let
intuitive interfaces and even better automatic configuration scripts
take their place. While the OP may have been a troll, there is a seed of
truth in everything. It would be nice to let people without an extensive
knowledge base use Linux easily, and this is a tricky thing to do
without making the compromises that Mafia$oft of Apple has.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:24:56 +0100
"kirk@do_not_spam" wrote:
>
> If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
> out of their minds.
This "junk" is already winning in the server space. Think again.
> And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
Of course you are. Why would you be having these problems otherwise? A
non-newbie would have read the appropriate How-To and came up with the
answer or asked a polite question in a help-related Linux newsgroup (and
there are several how-to's that allowed me to do what you are trying to
do without such a headache)
> I can't believe this. why, I ask why, can't linux be as simple as windows?
Good question. It is more flexible than Windows, but it is not as easy
yet, as people it is quite complex to make things "easy" for some users
while not restrict the experience of more seasoned users. Also some
parts of how Linux work are "brain damaged" through various reasons, but
these are getting corrected one by one.
> anyone who think this stuff will challenge windows must be on drugs, and
> I really mean that.
If you had properly asked for help or read the documentation, maybe you
would have had a better experience, yet as we sow what we reap you have
failed. Insulting something just because you can't get it to work does
not mean that suddenly Windows is "better" than Linux. If you find
CD-Writing better in Windows then may I suggest that you go back to
windows and use it. If you try to treat your OS as a "tool" then you'll
find that different tools are good at different tasks and the OS is no
different. Maybe your skill level is such that you need the ease of use
of windows, and there is nothing wrong with that: just use the tool that
is best suited to you - but don't come and say that because you have had
a bad day that everything is no good. In other words: grow up!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V (Was: t. max devlin: kook)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:36:42 GMT
"Rob S. Wolfram" wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [snip]
> >> - Control/C, Control/X, and Control/V
> >
> >I remember using RH 6, with copy, cut, paste, were alt instead of ctrl, it
> >drove me *mad*.
It's easy to get used to the difference... in fact, I sometimes find
myself using Alt-C/Alt-V when running Windoze. ;->
> I have no idea where the choice for these keybindings originated, but is
> surely is a *very* poor choice. The Ctrl-[letter] combinations have had
> a special meaning since the early days of ASCII. Why they had to be
> abused for copy/cut/paste is a mystery to me.
Because Microsoft has generally been out in the ozone with regard
to conventional programming lore, and have always opted for blazing
their own trail in "standards".
> How am I supposed to send an INT signal to an application that
> interprets the ^C itself (where using the multitasking abilities of the
> underlying OS is not an option)?
Well, Bill wants you to bring up the Task Manager GUI, find your application,
and stop it (if you can -- if it's in an infinite loop, good luck,
even on NT).
Of course, there's the ultimate stoppage, Ctrl-Alt-Del, if the OS doesn't
do it for you first.
I personally find it painful to go from UNIX (Linux) where a job
obeys the ^C imperative, even during very I/O intensive operations,
to Windoze 2000, where everything seems to move in slo-mo.
> Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
You might want to consider a Dvorak keyboard <heh heh>.
> Giraffiti, n.:
> Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.
Don't look up here!!!! The joke is in your hand!!!
Chris
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:34:41 +0200
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > After that, I like CLI based commands because I know what I want to do
and
> > I
> > > can type it. A GUI based system requires an added step of navigating
the
> > > various menus and dialog boxes that seem to get in the way of what I
want
> > to
> > > do.
> >
> > Read the help files.
> > You have to do it anyway for CLI applications.
>
> Yes, but it is an extra sequence of steps above and beyond knowing what
one
> wants to do.
And typing man <command> or <command> /? or --help is not an extra step?
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:43:28 GMT
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
> >Most X window managers rubberband during resize, so this facility
> >may not even be available. I am tempted to write one that treats
> >X resize events similarly to X move events, but I fear the performance
> >in many apps may not be there -- and it will take me awhile,
> >as it's not my speciality.
>
> (Is there some reason this thread is crossposted to soc.singles?)
>
> I'm running KDE 2.1, and it refreshes on resize.
When I was using Enlightenment, I noted it had about 8 or so ways
to handle resizing, including translucence, box, opaque, and rubber-band.
This sawfish manager just has the regular two, but it's a little
faster.
If you're a win-dude, Enlightenment will blow you away.
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Isaac)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:39:13 GMT
On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 04:11:07 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>RMS almost never posts to usenet so it wouldn't matter if you
>could go back farther.
Seldom doesn't mean never. There were a couple of relevant messages
posted concerning GPL'd plug-ins and libraries attributed to RMS
that pretty well sum up his position. They'll be available again
if google keeps their promise to put all of the deja archives
back on line at some point.
>
>> Without re-reading I can't state for sure whether that claim was
>> explicitly stated or whether it was just a corrollary of some other
>> facet of RMS's position.
>
>Try to find the history of why it was necessary for RIPEM to
>duplicate the gmp library as fgmp in order to release their
>work without distribution restrictions. The only thing that
I tried researching this a couple of years ago and found that
it predated the deja archives which went back to 1995.
Isaac
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:55:52 GMT
Chris Street wrote:
> >
> >Grep is your friend.
>
> Twenty minutes with it will not reveal what you need though
That's for sure. I found the reference to "X-Mailer" in a #define,
but it wasn't used anyway else in the code! I found where a
UNAME macro is used, and a few other clues, but still haven't
found where the posting host string is assembled.
Will look later, when time allows.
Chris
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:46:24 -0400
"kirk@do_not_spam" wrote:
>
> I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
> gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
> and on I went to work.
>
> If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
> out of their minds.
>
> And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
>
> I had a IDE r/w CDROM. with SUSE 7.1, kernel 2.4, and KDE latest and greatest.
By definition you are a newbe.
[snip]
>
> I can't believe this. why, I ask why, can't linux be as simple as windows?
Linux is better than Windows in many respects, even ease of use. The issue you
are having is configuration, not operation. Had you purchased this system fully
configured, it would have just worked and you would be overjoyed at how much
better the tools for CD authoring are under Linux.
>
> anyone who think this stuff will challenge windows must be on drugs, and
> I really mean that.
Your bad experience is unfortunate, and unfortunately not all that uncommon.
However, one has to separate configuration from usability. For every story
someone can post about Linux, I can relay a equally (if not more so) painful
story about Windows or NT/2K. The sad reality is that computers are complex,
and when things go wrong, they can go really wrong. When they go well, nobody
notices.
I am amazed that the distributions do not include the IDE-SCSI module in their
kernels as the default, that's the first thing I add. I think all CDs should be
managed through the emulation layer, that way problems like your would be a
thing of the past.
Lastly, your problem is a very common one, and a quick search on
www.alltheweb.com of "ide scsi linux cdr" found a document that would have
helped you understand the problem and set it up correctly. In probably less
time than installing software for Windows 2K and rebooting.
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From: Mott The Hoople <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:01:45 -0400
kirk@do_not_spam wrote:
>
> I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
> gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
> and on I went to work.
>
> If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
> out of their minds.
>
> And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
>
> I had a IDE r/w CDROM. with SUSE 7.1, kernel 2.4, and KDE latest and greatest.
You're still a newbie. So am I. I was able to burn CDs with Mandrake 7.2
with little setup other than telling XCDRoast which CD drive to use - it
worked right out of the box.
Did you consider posting here to ask for help?
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From: "Scott R. Godin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 9 Apr 2001 13:34:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:27:48
| > >> > I fear them for what they are doing! I despise them for doing it!
| > >> >
| > >> > Good luck to all of us... we're going to need it!
| > >
| > ><sigh> Do you guys ever think for youself?
| >
| > *Wow. I have *never* felt that feeling before.*
| >
| > *Is that what it's like to actually want to kill another human being?*
| >
| > >Do you think that any such terms would ever stand up in court?
| > >Of course not.
| >
| > Do you think Microsoft is going to wait until some proves this illegal
| > in court before absconding with billions of dollars worth of trade
| > secrets and intellectual property?
|
| So, if Microsoft do acquire billions of dollars worth of trade secrets and
| intellectual property by a process subsequently proved to be illegal, then
| that will without doubt be the end of Microsoft.
|
| They'll be sued by everyone and his brother for many times their assets, as
| will all the companies they set up to exploit their illegally garnered
| information and be very effectively bankrupted.
|
| This could just be one step too far even for these arrogant toerags. Give
| them enough rope...
It really is a terrible shame that this piece of legalistic legerdemain
wasn't in print BEFORE the trials :D
Whoooooeee I'd love to see M$ pull their fat from the fire under THOSE
circumstances given this piece of offal they're trying to foist on a
largely unsuspecting public.
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From: "Scott R. Godin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 9 Apr 2001 13:36:29 GMT
In article <9aqr1b$r6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| BTW: many conservatives openly call for class warfare as well. I'm
| not defending them. To a libertarian, both ideologies have some
| serious issues.
heh :j noticed that, have you?
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:50:22 -0500
"Isaac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 04:11:07 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >RMS almost never posts to usenet so it wouldn't matter if you
> >could go back farther.
>
> Seldom doesn't mean never. There were a couple of relevant messages
> posted concerning GPL'd plug-ins and libraries attributed to RMS
> that pretty well sum up his position. They'll be available again
> if google keeps their promise to put all of the deja archives
> back on line at some point.
>
RMS seldom posts, but he obviously never listens beyond his own little circularly
defined world.
John
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From: "Ben L. Titzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:55:59 -0500
On 9 Apr 2001, Nick Maclaren wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Alexis Cousein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> |>
> |> > But as
> |> > far as accessing more than 4GB in an application, that is very easy.
> |>
> |> "Very easy"? Pray tell us how you address more than 4GB if your ABI has
> |> all your pointers contained in 32-bit integers, except if you use
> |> extension mechanisms (yes, these do exist -- we all remember the mess
> |> DOS expanded and extended memory was -- I would never have said using
> |> these was "easy" though).
>
> Take a look at the VS Fortran features for MVS/ESA. They were (and
> maybe are) definitely "easy" to use, though perhaps not "very easy".
> The reason that this particular extension is different from getting
> out of the 16-bit hole is that the latter affected every pointer,
> code and data. Yes, it can be and has been done in a user-friendly
> way. Not by Intel, though.
>
Regardless, it's my opinion that somewhere along the line it's a pain in
the ass for either the hardware, the compiler, the OS, or the application
programmer. There's a much simpler and more straight-forward solution:
simply extend the address space. Sadly, back in the DOS days, the software
people didn't quite catch on...It took Microsoft 10 years to develop a
32 bit consumer OS (1985: 386 introed, 1995: Windows 95). 16-bit code is
still somewhere hiding in Windows ME. Software has long been the downfall
of clever hardware engineers. The question is, Will IA-64 suffer like many
other ill-fated architectures? It's new and innovative, but perhaps too
new, too innovative?
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