Linux-Advocacy Digest #476, Volume #32 Sun, 25 Feb 01 20:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: RTFM at M$ ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Mircosoft Tax ("Chris Ahlstrom")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Mircosoft Tax ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (T. Max Devlin)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:45:00 -0500
Jim Richardson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:52:28 +0000,
> Edward Rosten, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >>> > The Home Guard was ill-armed because of the reactionary gun-control
> >>> > laws pushed through by the British elite around 1920.
> >>>
> >>> That is BS. Even if people had personsal weapons, they would not have
> >>> been much use against Panzers.
> >>
> >> Panzers go "blub blub blub" without a dock to land them on. Beachheads
> >> are not docks.
> >
> >You can land tanks on beaches with the right landing craft.
>
> Only about 2% of the beaches, and they become chokepoints which are easier to
> defend. But I digress.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Secondly, there was no guns in England
> >>> because there were not enough guns to go round the army. That's why the
> >>
> >> You make my point for me.
> >
> >
> >No. Whether the UK had guns in the home or not, by 1941 they would all
> >have been long gone. There was not enough metal to go roung for making
> >weapons.
> >
> >
>
> Bull, there was plenty for hand weapons, ships and tanks take a lot, a bolt
> action rifle takes about 8 lbs.
>
> >
> >>> guovernment confiscated every scrap of metal (iron fences, the lot) for
> >>> use in weaponary. Any personal weapons would have been taken away and
> >>> used.
> >>
> >> Conversely, in the United States, we were able to provide the British
> >> with more service-quality rifles and shotguns from PRIVATELY DONATED
> >> firearms than out of the combined stores of our armed services.
> >
> >See my above point. Don't forget that the US has a much bigger population
> >and didn't have essential imports being cut off.
> >
>
> The point being mentioned is that the British decided (before the ware) to
> disarm the populace, and then later, when that proved to be a short sighted
> decision, begged for firearms from abroad, Americans responded, and sent
> thousands of private arms, the British, ever grateful destroyed them all at the
> end of the war rather than return them.
>
> >>> > Gun control is ALWAYS about implementing feudalism.
> >>>
> >>> I disagree.
> >>
> >> Then you truly have no understanding of how the elitist power-brokers in
> >> government view the average citizen like you and me.
> >>
> >> They want you to be a conformist little robot who offers ZERO resistance
> >> to any of their decisions.
> >
> >Me having a gun would make no difference to a single decision the
> >government has made in recent times. The only way it would have made a
> >difference would be through armed uprising which is too extreme for
> >anything that they've done recently.
> >
>
> Tell that to the Indians, or the children at Waco...
> Then tell me it will never get worse, because the same organization which fed
> retarded children radioactive isotopes to study radiation sickness, and
> prevented black men from being treated for syphillis in order to study the
> progression of the disease, promises never to oppress us...
>
> >
> >> You see...incidents like Dunblane are HYPED so as to brainwash you into
> >> surrendering your BASIC HIMAN RIGHT to self defence.
> >
> >I didn't own a gun anyway. The new legislation stopped nutters getting
> >guns. Almost noone in the UK (barring criminals) owned hand gund. The
> >legislation won't affect criminals and it won't affect non gun owners, so
> >it has affected almost noone. Besides, if you still are hell bent on
> >protecting your home, then you can get a shot gun, since they are still
> >allowed.
> >
>
> there were 10s of thousands of registered handguns in the UK prior to the ban,
> now there are almost none (legally) but the criminals still have them, and the
> homicide rate there is going up, not down, as is the violent crime rate in
> general.
> As for getting a shotgun, you can get one, *if* you live in the country, and
> certainly not for the purpose of protection, that is expressly forbidden.
>
> >>> > This is a bit out of date, of course. The events of Dunblane resulted
> >>> > in further further hysterical legislation that was equally
> >>> > misdirected....
> >>>
> >>> I disagree.
> >>
> >> Disagree all you want. You're still wrong.
> >
> >Well I think your wrong. Why don't you admit that I'm entitled to my own
> >opinion?
>
> opinion != fact. You are entitled to your opinion, that doesn't make your
> opinion correct.
>
> >
> >
> >>> > and inneffective. If British readers of this don't get the point by
> >>> > now, I hope that American readers will, at least.
> >>>
> >>> I get the point, I just disagree. One problem you have is an
> >>> unwillingness to see why other people hold a different point of view.
> >>
> >> My point of view is based on a thorough study of history and the actions
> >> of both common criminals, and those who infect government.
> >>
> >> Trusting EITHER type of criminal to treat you with courtesy is a foolish
> >> thing to do....foolish enough that it may cost you your life.
> >
> >I don't trust either to treat me with courtesy. But I don't think guns are
> >the solution.
> >
>
> not *the* solution, *a* solution.
>
> >
> >> Remember...in the period 1900-1999, the LEADING cause of violent death
> >> among people has been attack by their own government.
> >>
> >> There is no escaping that fact.
> >>
> >> You say, Oh, someone like Hitler or Stalin could never come into power
> >> here....and at the same time, set up all the same conditions which usher
> >> such bloodthirsty tyrants into power.
> >
> >What help could a hand gun possibly be against government forces? An
> >artillery gun could quite easily drop a high explosive shell on my house
> >from 60 miles away. I wouldn't stand a chance, guns or no guns.
>
> govts, even tyrannical ones, don't want to destroy those who make them wealthy.
> Only control them. Read Solzenitzen's "The Gulag archipelago" for what good a
> knife or a handgun is against a tyranny.
>
> >If the government wanted to turn on us and guns were legal, it would cut
> >off the supply first, as well. Any stocks of ammo wouldn't last very long.
> >Again, having a gun wouldn't help much.
>
> Dial 911, they deliver...
>
> >And the government forces have avaliable guns of far higher precision and
> >power than I would be able to afford. I may as well just use a bow and
> >arrows for all the help a hand gun would be against trained army forces
> >with fantastically expensive weaponary. Again, me owning a gun would do
> >very little against a dictator coming in to power.
>
> You assume that a) all the military would side with tyranny, and b) that
> guerilla forces cannot win against a conventional force, both assumptions are
> wrong.
Case in point...that little British fiasco of 1775-1778.
>
> --
> Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:49:52 -0600
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
> >"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >Fine. The host *DOES* implement ICMP echo.
>
> Apparently, it doesn't. I sent a ping to www.microsoft.com, and
> received no response.
Irelevant, since your ping request isn't getting to the machine. You can
see this in a traceroute. You have no way of knowing whether the machine
responds to a ping or not, since the packet isn't being received by the
destination. I think the chances are about 100% that if the packet were
received by the machine, it would respond.
> >The router inbetween the host
> >and the outside world doesn't allow it to pass. I know of no RFC which
> >requires a router to pass ICMP traffic.
>
> You don't seem to understand the workings of TCP/IP. What care I about
> a router? If there is no response, there is no response. The only
> possible explanation is a failure somewhere.
I understand them perfectly. I guess, according to you, if internet the
backbone goes down, then the destination server is also down just because
you can't get to it.
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From: "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:41:26 GMT
"J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> also spelt linux wrong....
>
> its LINsUX.
Damn this stupid Outlook keeps putting my cursor at the top for
replies....
Okay now....
I agree about the LINSUX here... because Linux is starting to suck some
of the juice out of Windows.
Chris
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:46:24 -0500
"B.B." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> @> An unconcious/dizzy/stunned/blinded man can't fire back.
> @
> @Unconscious? No
> @
> @Dizzy, stunned, blinded? They sure can....just lowers their likelihood
> @of hitting their target, and greatly increases the chance that they
> @will hit a bystander.
>
> I shouldn't have said "fire." Most often they're armed with clubs,
> knives, or bare hands.
>
> @> Also, the
> @> cops don't necessarily have to switch completely to non-lethal weapons.
> @> Since they often work with partners, have one partner armed with
> @> non-lethal weapons, and one armed with a standard pistol. Or, maybe all
> @> cops can carry both lethal and non-lethal weapons.
> @> The situation where a rookie shoots an undercover officer is pretty
> @> rare. More often, they shoot suspects. Recently there was a rather
> @
> @40% of the time, the cops shoot innocent bystanders.
>
> Non-lethal weapons would sure help. It wouldn't lower the statictic,
> but fewer bystanders would die or be seriously injured.
The best way to reduce the number of bystanders who get killed is
to disarm the police, and encourage law-abiding citizens to arm
themselves.
>
> --
> B.B. --I am not a goat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] @airmail.net
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 26 Feb 2001 00:41:54 GMT
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:13:29 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>Brent Pathakis wrote:
>"PCs are becoming obsolete, you say? Wrong.
>They're still selling in huge numbers, because
>they're enormously useful devices whose
>utility keeps expanding. The only component
>in the average PC that hasn't come down
>sharply in price is -- you guessed it --
>the operating system.
Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
Have PCs really gone down in price ? I paid about the same
for the computer I wanted 5 years ago as I'd have to pay for
the computer I want today. It's true that old hardware is
cheap, but then, old software is cheap too (how much does
Win 3.1 cost nowadays ?)
Besides doubts about the assumptions of the argument, the logic
is equally absurd -- why *should* software become cheaper ?
Are they saying that it should get cheaper because hardware
is cheaper ? If that's the case, why not complain that milk isn't
getting cheaper ?
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:47:05 -0500
"B.B." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> @Even black taxicab drivers are often reluctant to go into black
> @neighborhoods.
> @
> @What does this tell you?
>
> They're chicken-shits.
What are they afraid of?
Be precise
>
> --
> B.B. --I am not a goat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] @airmail.net
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:42:25 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >>>>If the government wanted to turn on us and guns were legal, it would
> >>>>cut off the supply first, as well. Any stocks of ammo wouldn't last
> >>>>very long. Again, having a gun wouldn't help much.
> >>>
> >>> Bad logic. "Your tool might not last forever, so why have the tool at
> >>> all?"
> >>
> >>I don't think the tool would last for a significant amount of time. What
> >>would stop that govt. shelling the house of someone with a personal
> >>arsenal? Meanwhilst, I am more free out of a gun culture than in one.
> >>
> >
> >
> > They have to know about it. Tell me why they didn't shell the IRA into
> > the history books?
>
> Because th IRA live amongst civs and are hard to identify. They don't
> want to go arouns shelling civilians. If they gouvernment decided to turn
> the country in to a dictatorship they would probably not care about
> shelling civilians.
Do you REALLY believe that anybody in London gives a fuck?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:42:30 GMT
Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
19:13:29 GMT;
>Brent Pathakis wrote:
>>
>> Saw this article:
>>
>> http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/7698.html
>>
>> Leaving out the ms vs linux arguments, MS supporters, explain to me how MS
>> can justify charging licenseing fees and a machines where no products are
>> installed?
>
>Here's a continuation:
>
>http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/indepth/docs/dg022501.htm
>
>with a little excerpt:
>
>"PCs are becoming obsolete, you say? Wrong.
>They're still selling in huge numbers, because
>they're enormously useful devices whose
>utility keeps expanding. The only component
>in the average PC that hasn't come down
>sharply in price is -- you guessed it --
>the operating system. Microsoft continues
>to spin off monopoly profits, with no end
>in sight."
Hey, Erik! Go get 'em! They're wrong, we know, because PageMaker is
still expensive, and mice and keyboards haven't reduced in price....
>By the way, you misspelled Microsoft in your Subject line.
>It is actually spelled "Crimosoft".
<*chuckle*>
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:53:57 -0600
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Could it be that M$ makes mice and keyboards ?
>
> It's contracted out. They merely slap their logo on them.
You keep claiming this, but have so far refused to provide any proof that
this is the case.
You seem to think that just saying it makes it true.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:00:17 -0600
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:nzhm6.324378$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:W8gm6.1553$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > The article is based on a faulty premise. Since Windows 95 came out,
not
> > all components have come down in price in any significant way. Cases
and
> > Power supplies have not come down in price since 95. Floppy disks have
not
> > come down in price. A good quality keyboard or mouse has not come down
in
> > price.
>
> Cases, power supplies, floppy drives, keyboard, and mice have not
significantly
> changes in a long time. They hit rock bottom, pricewise, and can go no
further.
> On the other hand, memory, motherboards, and CPUs get their prices driven
down
> by the newer and better versions of these components that come after.
> Microsoft OS's do not get their price driven down... it just goes up.
> Although, lately, the Windows ME upgrade went for an unusually low price,
> a fact I attribute to some competition in the low end from Linux.
So in other words, you agree that not all components have come down in price
in recent years, and that the premise only applies to components which have
a performance issue associated with them. The current model goes down in
price when a better performing product replaces it.
OS's generally do not improve their performance significantly from release
to release. There is usually some, but the releases are years apart versus
the months apart of hardware items.
The other factor is that the cost of the hardware item has a significant
amount attributable to raw components, processes, and production. It's not
economical to just throw away a 650 processor when the 700 comes out. With
software, the actual cost to manufacture the product is near 0, which means
it's quite economical to just throw it away rather than reduce it's price.
> > Many components have gone UP in price. The GeForce 3 video card
> > will cost $599, the GeForce 2 Ultra costs $499.
>
> I'm willing to agree here, but would ask just how much horsepower these
> babies have. Those prices are the cost of a good PC box today!
Windows ME certainly has orders of magnitude more software that comes with
it than Windows 95 when it first came out.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 26 Feb 2001 00:51:21 GMT
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:10:20 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>The article is based on a faulty premise. Since Windows 95 came out, not
>all components have come down in price in any significant way. Cases and
>Power supplies have not come down in price since 95. Floppy disks have not
>come down in price. A good quality keyboard or mouse has not come down in
>price. Many components have gone UP in price. The GeForce 3 video card
>will cost $599, the GeForce 2 Ultra costs $499.
In fact I don't believe that computers have really dropped in price --
what's true is that obsolete computers are cheap (but that's always been
true)
I doubt that there'd be a substantial difference between a moderately
up to date machine today and yesterday's version of the same thing.
All this of course completely ignores the fact that there's no reason
why a drop in hardware prices (if it existed) would mean that there should
be a corresponding drop in software prices.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:52:46 GMT
Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
[...]
>The article is based on a faulty premise. Since Windows 95 came out, not
>all components have come down in price in any significant way.
A) What difference does it make when Win95 was released?
B) The article is not based on the premise that every single component
has come down in price, but that the OS should have, as very many others
have.
Again, take your pick. I'm too tired of your sock-puppet trolling to
care.
>Cases and
>Power supplies have not come down in price since 95. Floppy disks have not
>come down in price. A good quality keyboard or mouse has not come down in
>price. Many components have gone UP in price. The GeForce 3 video card
>will cost $599, the GeForce 2 Ultra costs $499.
The failures in your reasoning, Erik, are numerous, as always.
A) Consumers do not buy cases, power supplies, nor floppies separately.
B) Far as I know, there were no accelerated 3D graphics cards in 1995.
C) Competitive pricing is entirely brand insensitive (other than
monopolies, of course). A generic 3D video card runs about a hundred
bucks, whereas years ago it would have been $200.
D) Similarly, by mixing and matching "markets" and "products" and
"Windows", you can so easily confuse yourself that its not worth the
bother of even trying to double-check, let alone second guess, the cost
of components. All we know for sure is that the most popular product,
according to your delusion, has never come down in price once in its
entire lifetime.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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