Linux-Advocacy Digest #555, Volume #32 Wed, 28 Feb 01 10:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Chad Myers")
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
MS Price Strategy (was Microsoft Tax) ("David Brown")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: why open source software is better ("Les Mikesell")
Re: why open source software is better (phil hunt)
Re: why open source software is better (phil hunt)
Re: why open source software is better (phil hunt)
Re: why open source software is better (phil hunt)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:03:26 GMT
"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <mpVm6.70808$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is contrary to the press release that came out earlier in 2000 from
> > IBM+Microsoft that said that IBM was going to be deploying Win2K Pro to
> > thousands of their desktops.
> >
> > I can find the URL, I suppose, if you don't believe me.
> >
> > I never heard anything about the server side, but IBM has a "dog food"
> > policy, so it wouldn't suprise me if they didn't allow anything other
> > than their own software on the servers.
> >
>
> It is true that new Thinkpads have W2K installed by default. But Linux
> is being installed on many of those Thinkpads as we speak. And many
> people I know are happy to get rid of Windows. Just because Windows
> comes pre-installed doesn't mean it is actually used.
We were talking about IBM using or not using Win2K internally and
were ignoring the OEM for the moment, but since you decided to change
the subject...
Could you please show us where you can get Linux installed on a Thinkpad?
I'm browsing IBM's online commerce site and I'm browsing the Thinkpads
(weird, I don't see many "Buy" buttons, it's almost like they don't
want you to buy them... leave it to IBM..). I can't seem to find ANY
mention of linux whatsoever.
I'm even browsing the bargain laptops and I come across this:
http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=2059061&cn
trfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US
(URL possibly wrapped)
And at the bottom, it talks about Win2K a lot, and then I see this
tidbit of information:
"IBM recommends Windows 2000 Professional for business"
Again, I see no mention of Linux anywhere.
Here I finally find a Laptop with an "add to cart" button.
I choose customize to see if I can change the OS, and low and behold,
http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1926569&cnt
rfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&shoptype=D
(URL possibly wrapped)
No choice in OS.
Where is Linux?
-Chad
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:19:38 -0500
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:51:13 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Steve Mading wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > : Steve Mading wrote:
> > > :>
> > > :> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > :>
> > > :> : Wrong.
> > > :>
> > > :> : Pipes REQUIRE multitasking.
> > > :>
> > > :> : Pipe are an INTER-PROCESS COMMUNICATION method....*NOT*
> > > :> : short-hand for system-generated tempfiles between seperately
> > > :> : run processes.
> > > :>
> > > :> Dos didn't even techncially have seperate one-at-a-time processes.
> > > :> By the CS meanings of the word, it had one process that lived
> > > :> forever, frequently replacing it's code with a new load from an
> > > :> EXE or COM file.
> > >
> > > : Oh god, that's sick.
> > >
> > > Not really - just what it means to be not multiprocessing.
> > > This is the same way all other non-multiprocess OSes were.
> > >
> > > When a program ends and another starts, the OS doesn't do
> > > the same sort of process-shutdown stuff that it does on
> > > a multiprocessing system. It doesn't close files. It doesn't
> > > free up memory. If a program dies prematurely, it leaves
> > > junk behind. In Unix parlance, think of it like this:
> > > The text segment contains the OS, and the COMMAND.COM
> > > shell, and the TSRs and the currently loaded program,
> > > but this is all in the same 'text segment', with one
> > > 'context record' that threads between these routines. When
> > > the currently loaded program dies and a new one is loaded,
> > > the portion of the 'text segment' containing the OS, the
> > > COMMAND.COM, and the TSRs stays in place, and the portion
> > > containing the program is 'exec'ed to bring in the new image,
> > > but the PROCESS never really goes through a process-death
> > > and restart cycle, because the OS, COMMAND.COM and TSRs are
> > > all part of the one big process and they can't be killed.
> >
> >
> > Ah, ok. From your original description, it sounded like even the
> > in-memory image of COMMAND.COM gets over-written every time the user
> > runs a command, and that upon completion, COMMAND.COM gets reloaded...
>
> You've never run DOS on a machine without a hard drive then. When you kill
> your app it asks for the disk with command.com
This takes me back to my original impression:
That's sick.
>
> Peter
> --
>
> The past is almost as mysterious as the future.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:20:55 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) wrote in
> > Edward Rosten, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >>I don't think the tool would last for a significant amount of time.
> >>What would stop that govt. shelling the house of someone with a
> >>personal arsenal? Meanwhilst, I am more free out of a gun culture than
> >>in one.
> >>
> >
> >They have to know about it. Tell me why they didn't shell the IRA into
> >the history books?
>
> The British Army could quite easily round up every Republican and line them
> all up against the nearest wall. It would be an error of monumental
> proportions: every man they shot would be replaced by a dozen new recruits,
> not to mention the political fallout, foreign and domestic.
>
> The battle in Northern Ireland is about hearts and minds, not bodies.
>
Precisely.
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:23:19 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner) wrote:
> > >Again, you're showing your mindset. If the armed forces of a
> > >government turned against the citizenry, the "mobile gun unit shelling
> > >you from 60 miles away" would be right in SOMEONE'S backyard, and if
> > >the armed forces have declared war on the citizens, that someone would
> > >likely be sympathetic to your cause.
> >
> > That's not how governments suppress people. As a government, you can't pick
> > a fight with everyone, armed or unarmed (see Eastern Europe circa 1989).
> >
> > The trick is to pick out a minority and and turn everyone else against
> > them. Hitler did it with the Jews, Gypsies, the homosexuals. The British
> > Empire called it "Divide and Rule" and did it with India, Africa, China,
> > Ireland, the Middle East, everywhere really.
> >
> > The point is, done skillfully, oppressing people involves not pissing them
> > all off at once. Piss them all off and you lose. It doesn't matter whether
> > they are armed or not.
>
> The U.S. government (at least the Democrats) seem to be doing this
> with poor vs rich, black vs white, atheist vs Christian, etc.
The Demoncrooks are all about suppression.
Ever notice how the Democrat-run schools in predominantly black areas
turn out high school graduates who can barely read their own name....
and pass laws keeping the local inhabitants from owning handguns
Just like the slavery and jim crow days in the old south.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:37:03 +0000
> The simplest, broadest definition of pipes is that they are an
> inter-process, FIFO communications channel from one processes to
> another, which allows the 2nd process to start producing output before
> the first process terminates.
>
> A single-tasking OS is fundamentally incapable of fulfilling this
> definition properly.
A simpler definition is:
a mechanism which allows the output of one process to be put in to the
input of another process in the order that it (the data) was outputted.
DOS pipes still do not satisfy this definition.
-Ed
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:50:38 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > The simplest, broadest definition of pipes is that they are an
> > inter-process, FIFO communications channel from one processes to
> > another, which allows the 2nd process to start producing output before
> > the first process terminates.
> >
> > A single-tasking OS is fundamentally incapable of fulfilling this
> > definition properly.
>
>
> A simpler definition is:
>
> a mechanism which allows the output of one process to be put in to the
> input of another process in the order that it (the data) was outputted.
You need to include some sort of reference to the fact that process1
and process2 are running simultaneously (as opposed to sequential
execution...i.e. process2 must be able to start executing while
process1 is still running).
>
> DOS pipes still do not satisfy this definition.
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: MS Price Strategy (was Microsoft Tax)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:48:15 +0100
Here is a fascinating site, which includes links to back up most of its
claims:
http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/dirtytricks.shtml
A quotation from it is applicable to the Microsoft Tax thread:
We have increased our prices over the last 10 years [while] other
component
prices have come down and continue to come down.
JOACHIM KEMPIN, Microsoft Senior Vice President
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:50:40 +0000
> I'm not "whining" about doing any RTFM. I'm complaining about the fact
> that I configured my Lunux Mandrake system to use one Epson printer
> driver, then The Gimp ignored that and dumped postscript to the printer.
Why were you whining about Linux then? This is a GIMP problem, not a
linux problem.
> I'm also rather surprised that any modern OS would still have multiple
> drivers for a printer - this is something the OS should be doing, not
Whatever. Now tell me *exactly* how Linux is meant to stop GIMP providing
its own drivers for printers other than postscript?
Linux, like any good modern OS provides a standard printing mechanism
that all the apps can use. You can set up the queue so that it will
filter all data whether the raw flag is set or not (my syetem doesn't
have a raw flag, so I have created a raw queue so that I can view
unprocesses postscript).
> each application. Now I'm hearing The Gimp doesn't do this - yet it
Gimp does provide a selection of its own drivers.
> overrides the system selected printer instead! DOH!
No, it doesn't over ride the selected printer, it sets the raw flag.
Those are two very different thing (even though the output may look the
same).
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:54:38 +0000
I didn't seem to get the origional message.
>> Ah, ok. From your original description, it sounded like even the
>> in-memory image of COMMAND.COM gets over-written every time the user
>> runs a command, and that upon completion, COMMAND.COM gets reloaded...
That is exactly what happens. Try this:
DOS format 2 floppies, making one a boot floppy, and put a program of
your choice on the other.
Find a computer without DOS on and boot from the floppy. Sway the
floppies and run the program. Watch whay happens when you exit.
Yuk.
-Ed
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:00:59 GMT
"vrml3d.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:97i0t4$4tb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > The subject line for this message should be "why open source software
> > is better for the *customer*".
>
> No, it should be "why open source software is better for the customer in
the
> short run". Anything that drives producers out of the market in the long
> run is bad for consumers in the long run, business cycles not
withstanding.
The only producers that open source can drive out of the market are the
ones who do not have a better product or service or are charging more
than it is worth. There is no evidence for any illegal anti-competitive
activity by any open source producer and no illegal bundling of
products.
> Anecdotal evidence suggests a serious decline in shareware applications,
> with open source an obvious culprit. Fewer apps, fewer choices. Sorry I
> don't have numbers to back it up. That's why it's only anecdotal.
If anything, that is evidence that these products had no particular value
compared to the alternatives.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:42:03 +0000
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:37:31 +1100, Craven Moorehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:58:03 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil
>hunt) wrote:
>
>>The only thing i use Windows for is playing games. I will only use
>>it for programming when someone pays me to do so at my normal
>>consulting rates.
>
>You expect someone to write your OS for free though.
I don't "expect" anyone to do anything for me. As it happens, there is
a very good free kernel, Linux, that I use daily. If Linux wasn't
around, I would probably be using BSD or Hurd, other free kernels.
> Or at the very least give you all his source code.
It is apparent that many people *do* want to give me (and everyone
else) their source code, judging from the source CD that comes
with SuSE, or the contents of Freshmeat and Appwatch.
In return, I'm happy to give others my source code. (See
http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/oss/oss.html).
If people don't want to give me it, that's fine by me. Just don't expect
me to use the resulting software, unless you pay me to do so.
> Good one, Do you live in a trailer
>park ?
No. Do you?
>People should be rewarded for their work
So, if I want to spend all day polishing stones, I should somehow
magically get money for that, should I? What if no-one wants to
pay me for my work? What if I don't particularly want to get paid
for it?
> and intellectual property should be protected.
I agree. Everyone should be entitled to creative works that they
produce, and they should be allowed to decide for themselves how
(or if) they are distributed. Which is why it should be legal
for me to distribute DeCSS if the authors of that program want
to allow me to.
> Why should I give people my fancy highy optimised code ?
It's entirely up to you whether you do so or not. BTW, what does
your "fancy highy optimised" program do? What langauge is it
written in?
>What's in it for me, a warm feeling in my loins ?
I don't know what's in it for you, I can't speak for you.
> You can get
>the same effect by pissing in your pants.
Really? You know this from personal experience, I take it?
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ***** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]*****
"Mommy, make the nasty penguin go away." -- Jim Allchin, MS head
of OS development, regarding open source software (paraphrased).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:56:29 +0000
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:01:34 GMT, Ian Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>You suggest a situation where 0.01% do the work and the rest enjoy the
>>fruits of the labour. BTW that didn't work in Russia even when 100%
>>did the work or at least pretended too.
>
>This has nothing to do with Communism, it's about freedom of information.
Indeed, as I point out in <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/ip/oss-better.html>,
OSS is beating Microsoft *because* MS is more like communism than OSS
is.
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ***** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]*****
"Mommy, make the nasty penguin go away." -- Jim Allchin, MS head
of OS development, regarding open source software (paraphrased).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:43:48 +0000
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:11:23 GMT, Ian Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craven Moorehead
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:58:03 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil
>>hunt) wrote:
>>
>>>The only thing i use Windows for is playing games. I will only use
>>>it for programming when someone pays me to do so at my normal
>>>consulting rates.
>>
>>You expect someone to write your OS for free though. Or at the very
>>least give you all his source code. Good one, Do you live in a trailer
>>park ?
>
>Do you completely misunderstand the concept of a community?
I expect so. Mr Craven Coward thinks that writing open source software is
the same as urinating in one's trousers.
>However this is mute as a lot of people do get paid to work on the OS.
ITYM "moot".
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ***** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]*****
"Mommy, make the nasty penguin go away." -- Jim Allchin, MS head
of OS development, regarding open source software (paraphrased).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:59:50 +0000
On 28 Feb 2001 10:56:56 GMT, Sam Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:37:31 +1100, Craven Moorehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:58:03 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil
>>hunt) wrote:
>>
>>>The only thing i use Windows for is playing games. I will only use
>>>it for programming when someone pays me to do so at my normal
>>>consulting rates.
>>
>>You expect someone to write your OS for free though. Or at the very
>>least give you all his source code. Good one, Do you live in a trailer
>>park ?
>
>Maybe he would only use it for programming when being paid is because he
>doesn't like using it and thus needs compensation in order to do so.
That is precisely the reason. Winodws is a pile of shite, and I find
it unpleasant to use.
Note I am happy to work with proprietary Unices.
>Saying he will use it for programming if being paid seems to indicate the
>decision to not use it for programming is based on the usability of the
>platform and not on ideological grounds.
Indeed.
I *am* ideologically in favour of OSS, but that's not the main reason I
dislike Windows.
>If you have no sense of the common good, community, and helping your fellow
>man, and doing something for other than financial reasons that is your loss.
Indeed.
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*****[ Phil Hunt ***** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]*****
"Mommy, make the nasty penguin go away." -- Jim Allchin, MS head
of OS development, regarding open source software (paraphrased).
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