Linux-Advocacy Digest #651, Volume #32 Mon, 5 Mar 01 08:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: .NET is plain .NUTS (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux Joke (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: It's here! IBM's new Linux ad! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: State of linux distros (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Sometimes, when i run Windows (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (Jasper)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Giuliano Colla)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (mlw)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: GPL Like patents. (mlw)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:48:46 -0500
Dave wrote:
>
> On 4 Mar 2001 22:33:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>
> >
> >Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >: Bloody Viking wrote:
> >
> >: > Sadly, the virus coder fuckwits are helping the Linux cause, and a deregister
> >
> >: What's so sad about that?
> >
> >The sad part is that the virus coders are criminal in nature. We can sure use
> >advocacy, but these loose cannons we can do without. I'm all in favour of
> >Linux, but the end does not justify the means that virus coders have chosen.
> >There is such a thing as a moral high ground, and that is more important than
> >advocacy of virus coding.
> >
> >That said, I have to admit that the concept of a future "deregister" virus is
> >pretty funny. Given the Windows security holes big enough to drive a carrier
> >battlegroup through, the virus is inevitable. SOME fuckwith will code it, with
> >or without virus advocacy.
> >
> >: If M$-users suffer from EXACTLY what we have been tirelessly warning
> >: them about...well, then *FUCK* them.
> >
> >Easy to get that attitude. (:
>
> Been thinking along those lines myself. I despise Windows, I despise
> Bill Gates, yet here I am helping people with their Windows problems
> so they can go on using Windows and Bill Gates can go on making money
> while I can go on offering free tech support so he doesn't have to
> work quite so hard for his bucks.
>
> There's something wrong with this picture. :-(
Then do the right thing, get a new job, where you can support
Linux or Unix, and go to bed at night with a clean conscience.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .NET is plain .NUTS
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:52:13 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> : I think that the only way out of this is to declare copyrights to be
> >> dead,
> >> : as there is no longer *ANY* practical way to enforce them.
> >>
> >> Not for books at least.
> >
> > Even books. You can scan them, run the bitmaps through optical
> > character recognition software, and completely copy the book digitally
> > with little chance of discovery (other than your own popularity).
>
> But you then have to print it. Bear in mind that a 650M CD is about 50p,
> but to print a book without very specialised is quite expensive, and
> depending on the book, lower quality.
300-600 dpi laser printers is good for most books.
>
> It'll probably be cheaper to buy the book.
true.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> | Edward Rosten
> | u98ejr@
> This argument is a beta version. | ecs.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:53:42 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : "Open standards also undermine such proprietary computer operating
> : systems as Microsoft's Windows and Sun Microsystems's Solaris. Both
> : companies are IBM rivals, and IBM Chairman Louis Gerstner has said both
> : companies' proprietary models are doomed. IBM is far along in a drive to
> : make all its software and hardware Linux-compatible."
>
> With that, if Bill Gates was smart, he'd start selling his stocks to extract
^^^^^
START?
The asshole has been liquidating his Mafia$oft shares continously for
almost a year now.
He says he's diversifying. Yeah, I wonder why.
> as much money as he can, so as to remain rich. It's just that he won't be
> _ridiculously_ rick like now.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:55:20 -0500
Keldon dimdork 2000 wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Q. Why does the Linux user constantly obtain
> > upgrades of the kernel and other OS facilities?
> >
> > A. Because he can.
>
> wrong answer.
>
> the real answer is: because he has to.
No, dimdork that's Mafia$of products.
>
> --
> "One by one the Penguins steal my sanity." (found printed on a T-shirt)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's here! IBM's new Linux ad!
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:57:25 -0500
ono wrote:
>
> > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/passport.swf
> > > --
> > > "Never underestimate the power of a small tactical nuclear weapon."
> >
> > valid URL, but ust black-colored page .. :-(
> >
> You may need to install a proper browser. (like ie5.5 ;-).
Solved by installing flash.
I would sooner die than use IE.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:06:10 -0500
Reefer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: A superior OS like Win2k wants to have SOMETHING to work with, not some
: leftover hw from your childhood...
Spot the flawed thinking
Clue for the clueless: Erroneous defintion of "superior OS"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when i run Windows
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:08:14 -0500
Bobert Big Bollocks wrote:
>
> It crashes :)
Only sometimes???
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jasper)
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:17:43 GMT
I think Linux is for people who are good with computers but are not
good enough to develop software. It gives them an avenue to express
their limited talents. It has been my experience that these are the
type of people who are attracted to Linux - many are young people who
lack the experience and stamina to develop real applications.
However the really talented people write applications for use by those
people who have no real interest in computers but need them in order
to compete economically or simply remain employable. Or just to have
a bit of fun when it rains outside. These are the people who become
overnight millionaires. Windows is a playground for those gifted
enough to exploit it.
I'd say in about a decade even the most powerful computers in the
world will be able to administer themselves. Much in the way the
desktops of today do. Simple economics will dictate that this becomes
so. As is the case with the robotic assembly lines of today - why pay
someone when you can get a machine to do to it for free?
If the computers a decade from now are not running Windows they will
be running a Windows like operating system. I'd be surprised if we
don't have the first ever desktop PC's being sold without a keyboard
and mouse by 2010. I wonder how the CLI is going to fit into this
scenario.
On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:01:50 -0500, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[snip]
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:27:00 GMT
JS PL wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS PL wrote:
> > >
> > > "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > JS PL wrote:
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Two clicks from one of the most visited pages on earth is monopoly
> > > > > prevention:
> > > > >
> > > http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Software/Operating_Systems/
> > > > > and always has been.
> > > >
> > > > Nice link, what does it have to do with the subject? The word monopoly
> > > > doesn't appear in that page.
> > >
> > > It can't because all the choices of operating systems on that page would
> > > drown it out.
> > > And as far as the subject goes, it has everything to do with the
> subject.
> > > Victims of a monopoly don't have the kind of choices that have always
> been
> > > available to pc users.
> >
> > If all that stuff is available, for what reason it's very difficult, and
> > up to one year ago it was absolutely impossible to buy a PC without an
> > MS OS pre-installed? Think hard.
>
> I haven't bought a pc with an OS pre-installed in several years. So it has
> been FAR from your "absolutely impossible" claim. It's not even difficult to
> find a PC without an OS installed. Wasn't difficult in 1997 either....lets
> see... here it is... January 1997 Computer Shopper magazine, bought at
> WallMart. I'm looking at about 900 pages of ads to choose from. The index of
> advertisers has about ten pages, four lines per page, top to bottom of just
> computer component vendors. Just because people are too ignorant to know the
> many choices doesn't make Microsoft the only choice. (see link above for the
> many choices)
>
> > > Nothing to do with the subject either, but It has nicer colors.
> > >
> > > tee hee...It has a little to do with the subject, they're using IIs5 on
> > > Win2K.
> >
> > Yes, I know. They don't give a damn about their uptime. Internet is a
> > side issue for a car-maker. ISP's, which lose money when the site isn't
> > available, make more sensible choices.
>
> Call up Fiat and ask then if they give a damn about uptime of their website.
> I'm sure their opinion differs from what you claim their opinion is.
>
> > If you want to know which car is the best price/performance compromise,
> > you don't look at which brand of Limousines Hotel Plaza is using, you
> > look at which brand a Limousine rental service is purchasing.
> > If it's not vital for their business, they can make the wrong choice,
> > and nobody will notice. If it's the core of their business, either they
> > make the right choice, or they're broke in a blink.
>
> I always thought that if you were looking to buy a Limousine and had to ask
> the price you couldn't afford it anyway. Somehow I just don't see Donald
> Trump staking out the rental yard trying to determine a good
> "price/performance compromise' in his Limousine choices.
That's exactly my point: what Donald Trump buys has nothing
to do with prince/performance.
The same holds true for big companies using IIS5 on Win2k.
--
Giuliano Colla
Before activating the tongue, make sure that the brain is
connected (anonymous)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:41:04 -0500
Ken Arromdee wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In the GPL world, a person can share code with the world. Anyone can come along
> >and use and improve this code. To do so, however, they must agree to share in
> >the same spirit as the authors who created the code they wish to use. If you
> >ask me, this is not unreasonable, nor does it infringe on any freedoms. One
> >need not use GNU software at all. if you want to keep it to yourself, you are
> >100% free not to use something with a GPL license.
>
> All nice words, but the GPL is incompatible with most other *free* software
> licenses as well as with proprietary ones. Someone who wants to put their
> software under another free license is certainly willing to share, but cannot
> use code from GNU software.
Then don't build on something which the author chose GPL, use another open
source package to build on. If there isn't one available, it is a free country,
write your own.
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:50:25 GMT
mlw wrote:
>
> Ken Arromdee wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >In the GPL world, a person can share code with the world. Anyone can come along
> > >and use and improve this code. To do so, however, they must agree to share in
> > >the same spirit as the authors who created the code they wish to use. If you
> > >ask me, this is not unreasonable, nor does it infringe on any freedoms. One
> > >need not use GNU software at all. if you want to keep it to yourself, you are
> > >100% free not to use something with a GPL license.
> >
> > All nice words, but the GPL is incompatible with most other *free* software
> > licenses as well as with proprietary ones. Someone who wants to put their
> > software under another free license is certainly willing to share, but cannot
> > use code from GNU software.
>
> Then don't build on something which the author chose GPL, use another open
> source package to build on. If there isn't one available, it is a free country,
> write your own.
It's amazing how many greedy bastards there are, who want to take and take,
but never give. More incredibly, they view it as their right. Of course,
ever since America began, it's been that way... just ask our aborigines.
Chris
--
[X] Check here to always trust content from Chris
[ ] Check here if you're a dazed follower of Bill Gates
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL Like patents.
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:55:49 -0500
Ian Pulsford wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
>
> > GPL provides a mechanism to properly compensate the community for the product
> > of the community, i.e. contribute your modifications.
> >
> > People argue that this is a form or communism, I think it is the strongest form
> > of capitalism. GPL code represents a capital investment. (either time and/or
> > money) If you wish to use GPL code, you MUST compensate the copyright owner. By
> > releasing something GPL, the copyright owner has agreed that adequate
> > compensation can consist sharing changes, OR (and this is the important part)
> > you can negotiate another licensing scheme with the copyright owner.
>
> How does that make it more or less like capitalism or communism? I
> suggest that making comparisons between a software license and political
> ideology are a false analogy and waste of time.
Capitalism vs communism is not a conflict of political ideologies, each is an
economic ideology.
>
> > You are free not to use GPL if you don't want too.
> > You are free not to use GPL software if you don't want too.
> > However:
> >
> > Don't expect any sympathy if you want to use GPL software, for free, and then
> > charge for your changes. Why should you be able to capitalize on the work of
> > others without sharing in the cost? Anything less WOULD be communism.
>
> It's just a software license. But since you're having a go at other
> open-source licenses: why should you not be able to capitalize on the
> work of others without sharing in the cost if that is the aim of the
> permissive license? Why is giving away something for free communism?
You misunderstand. I don't care what others do in their licensing, what I do
care about is what others would do with code I have released.
If I release something GPL, I have made a conscious choice to release it in
that manner. The GPL does exactly what I expect it too. Now, if I have done a
good job people will use my code. If they want to base a product on it, they
are welcome to do so, IF they contribute any changes back to me, OR they pay me
to get a copy which is not GPL.
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
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