Linux-Advocacy Digest #727, Volume #32 Fri, 9 Mar 01 17:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft's .NET Vision ("Adam Warner")
Re: GPL, an open mind, options? ("GreyCloud")
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: What does IQ measure? (WesTralia)
Re: What does IQ measure? (WesTralia)
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: C# (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Craig Kelley)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft's .NET Vision
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:19:29 +1300
Hi Bob,
Thanks to you and Bryant for the comments.
<snip>
> In combination with Jim Allchin's statements on the GPL and the MPAA
> attack on DeCSS, it seems to me that there is an effort already underway
> to paint Free Software users and developers as criminals. To link Free
> Software to "hacking" and "piracy". Free Software just can't be
> tolerated, since if open source code becomes the norm it will be really
> hard to force people to go along with the new restrictions.
This recently leaked MS France memo confirms some of your thoughts:
'Microsoft France is plotting to manipulate "public authorities and large
institutional players" to make piracy enforcement, implementing copy
protection and product activation technology, and the fight against
hacking a "national cause" in France, according to a leaked internal memo
obtained by The Register.'
...
'But perhaps the most interesting task for MS's Eurominions is that of
"influencing public officials," as Tostain calls it.'
...
'Politicians, civil servants and law enforcement officials must be made to
understand the grave economic consequences of hacking, Tostain says.'
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17445.html
---
There's a lot of scared and misinformed people out there who think
something as innocuous as a ping is a prelude to hacking because their
firewall gives off an alarm, and in a second would take away your right to
ask a computer whether you are allowed to connect so they can feel safer.
Regards,
Adam
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL, an open mind, options?
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:21:49 -0800
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
> > Uh.. can someone define this RMS stuff?? I have a background in VMS and
it
> > uses rms.
> > Its confusing!
>
> If this isn't a joke, it's pretty funny. RMS is Richard Stallman, they guy
who
> wrote the GPL.
>
> --
> I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
> ------------------------
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
Ooopss!! I still have some catching up to do since my '93 retirement.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:32:51 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Scott Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : This is a farcical example, I know, but a lot of potential
> : linux converts already have computers, and those computers were likely
> : built with Windows in mind, not Linux. Until novice users can go to
> : the hardware manufacturer's web site and download self-installing
> : drivers to make their hardware work under Linux, this will always be a
> : barrier to Linux's widespread acceptance into the desktop arena.
>
> This is all very true, but what can be done to fix it? The
> problem is that it's a technical problem that is being
> caused by cultural marketplace forces. A technical solution
> can't fix it. Nothing can be done TO Linux to change the
> 'political' situation: A large number of hardware manufacturers
> are perfectly willing to forego smaller markets if that
> means not having to put forth as much effort. (It's expensive
> to pay a highly competent guy to program a driver, so unless
> you know you are going to be selling a *lot* of units, you
> have a hard time recouping that cost.) As it stands now,
> what typically happens is that the hobbyists have to write the
> drivers themselves, but they can't begin until the model is
> already out on the shelves at the computer store. By then the
> Windows driver has already been written in-house by the
> manufacturer. It's a case of Linux being hampered by a completely
> non-technical, non-programmer type of problem. Since most of
> the people pushing Linux are of the programmer/technical bent,
> they aren't really in a position to tackle this type of problem.
>
> I have no idea what the solution is. How do you program around
> the "hardware companies are short-sighted" bug?
It's simple.
I write letters to manufacturers on company letterhead that says
that we no longer purchase printers unless they come with Linux drivers.
If manufacturers got a couple THOUSAND of those per year what do
you think would happen...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:36:03 -0500
chrisv wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >When you buy a Red Hat or SuSE or Mandrake or whatever distribution
> >you desire...you ***GET*** ***THOUSANDS**** ***OF*** ****APPS****
> >with the distribution.
>
> Read the thread you dumbass. My point was it there's thousands of
> Windows apps on the shelves, and NONE (essentially) for Linux. This
> is GOOD for Windows, and BAD for Linux, understand? No amount of
> squiming is going make make this a bonus of being a Linux user.
No, it's silly.
The only reason that Windows lusers have to BUY seperate apps
is BECAUSE they don't get them with their OS.
What should Linux people do? Start flooding the market place
with GIMP boxes that have a small card inside with the words
"Your copy of GIMP is already on the Linux CDs you purchased, dumpkopf!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:36:16 -0600
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Brock Hannibal wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:32:23 GMT, Brent R wrote:
> > > > >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > >JD Salinger had an IQ score of 115, still above average but not showing
> > > > >his true ability. To some the man is a complete genius. I also so a show
> > >
> > > To others, the man is a laughing stock who's out of his league, and
> > > should consider himself lucky to have ever been near the White House.
> > > Some of those people even think the JFK was not well-served by having
> > > a man of such meager abilities on the White House staff.
> >
> > I think you are confusing JD Salinger, the reclusive author of "Catcher
> > in the Rye", with Pierre Salinger, former white house press secretary
> > under JFK.
>
> whoops. :-)
>
Double posting? That will cost you ANOTHER -5 IQ points.
-wt
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:35:15 -0600
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Brock Hannibal wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:32:23 GMT, Brent R wrote:
> > > > >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > >JD Salinger had an IQ score of 115, still above average but not showing
> > > > >his true ability. To some the man is a complete genius. I also so a show
> > >
> > > To others, the man is a laughing stock who's out of his league, and
> > > should consider himself lucky to have ever been near the White House.
> > > Some of those people even think the JFK was not well-served by having
> > > a man of such meager abilities on the White House staff.
> >
> > I think you are confusing JD Salinger, the reclusive author of "Catcher
> > in the Rye", with Pierre Salinger, former white house press secretary
> > under JFK.
>
> whoops. :-)
>
Too late to say, "whoops!" That just cost you -5 IQ points.
-wt
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:44:53 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:986e6q$dd6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Then we agree on the raw APIs of the basic system (Linux + X and
> Windows) -
> > both are unusable as they stand for making nice GUI programs (although
> Linux
> > API is fine for non-GUI stuff, while Windows API is unpleasant even for
> the
> > simplest of tasks).
>
> While creating and managing windows under the raw API isn't nearly as easy
> as using a framework, it's certainly nowhere near the headache that X is
> when you do it raw.
And how many programmers interact with X directly rather than using toolkits?
I'm willing to bet that I could invite the entire lot of them over to
my house for a party and still have food leftover in the refrigerator.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:47:51 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On 7 Mar 2001 09:22:03 GMT, Bloody Viking wrote:
> > >
> > >Donovan Rebbechi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > >
> > >: Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
> > >: become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
> > >
> > >Yes. Mass distribution and cheap H1-B imported labour.
> >
> > I know some of the "cheap H1B imported labour", and they're really not
> that
> > cheap at all. I've seen the H1B debate raging on comp.lang.c++, and almost
> > all the protectionists are a bunch of obnoxious stupid bigots who can't
> get
> > a job because they're barely intelligent enough to tie their own
> shoelaces,
> > let alone code. My SO sued to work at a place that employed H1Bs, and
> > suffice it to say, they weren't "cheap" by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> "cheap" is a relative term. I also know lots of H1B's, and while their
> salaries are generally not too far out of line with the average entry level
> salaray, they live under lots of restrictions. For instance, they're not
> allowed to switch jobs. If they lose their job, they get deported. That
So how does this lessen their salary, exactly?
> means a company can work their H1B's 10, 14, 18 hour days and the H1B has to
> put up with it or go back. Since they're salaried employees, they don't
> fall under the fair labor practices rules when it comes to hours worked.
I work with a lot of H1-B's and I've NEVER seen any treated in such
a manner by their employer.
>
> Further, a company that has a significant number of H1B's doesn't have to
> worry about "fringe benefits" that many people in the industry get (Stock
> Options, Ping Pong tables in the breakroom, free food, etc..).
Most fringe benefits are utterly worthless.
The only one that's important is non-HMO health insurance.
>
> While i'm certainly not the blather protectionist, I have seen first hand
> how a company that hires mostly H1B's goes quickly to pot.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C#
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:49:42 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > I've looked into ms's C#... looks like the spitting image of java to
> me!
> > > > Looks like trouble on the horizon. I wonder if Sun will sue them
> again??
> > >
> > > Actually, it's not. There are a lot of differneces. The first
> > > being that it's not interpreted.
> >
> > Java isn't interpreted.
>
> Java is interpreted, it can be compiled, but the language is designed and
> implemented as an interpreted language.
Java *CAN* be interpreted
Java *CAN* be compiled
The thing that distinguishes Java is that it was DESIGNED specifically
with the thought of interpretation as a viable option.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 09 Mar 2001 14:51:02 -0700
Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Concerning Hotmail's configuration, although I'm not knowledgeable
> enough to dig out any more information than this - is there any
> relevance to the fact that dynamic pages in Hotmail are served via
> 'cgi-bin', and those on microsoft.com are 'asp'?
Who cares about the aleged Hotmail conversion anyway.
Just play around at netcraft for a while and you can see several
series that go like this:
Date 1 NT4 / IIS4
Date 2 NT4 / IIS4
Date 3 NT4 / IIS4
Date 4 NT4 / IIS4
Date 5 NT4 / IIS4
Date 6 Windows 2000 / IIS5
Date 7 NT4 / IIS4
Date 8 NT4 / IIS4
Heck, there's even reports from *Microsoft* that NT4 performs better
than Windows 2000. So regardless the veracity of the Hotmail
conversions, Windows 2000 is having problems otherwise.
What's the moral of all this? Any new product will have bugs; I'm
sure that Windows 2000 will be much better by 2002.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a PCI slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:54:20 -0500
Jim Richardson wrote:
>
> In article <ASDp6.25$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On 7 Mar 2001 09:22:03 GMT, Bloody Viking wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Donovan Rebbechi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >: Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
> >> >: become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
> >> >
> >> >Yes. Mass distribution and cheap H1-B imported labour.
> >>
> >> I know some of the "cheap H1B imported labour", and they're really not
> > that
> >> cheap at all. I've seen the H1B debate raging on comp.lang.c++, and
> >> almost all the protectionists are a bunch of obnoxious stupid bigots
> >> who can't
> > get
> >> a job because they're barely intelligent enough to tie their own
> > shoelaces,
> >> let alone code. My SO sued to work at a place that employed H1Bs, and
> >> suffice it to say, they weren't "cheap" by any stretch of the
> >> imagination.
> >
> > "cheap" is a relative term. I also know lots of H1B's, and while their
> > salaries are generally not too far out of line with the average entry
> > level salaray, they live under lots of restrictions. For instance,
> > they're not allowed to switch jobs. If they lose their job, they get
> > deported. That means a company can work their H1B's 10, 14, 18 hour
> > days and the H1B has to put up with it or go back. Since they're
> > salaried employees, they don't fall under the fair labor practices rules
> > when it comes to hours worked.
> >
> > Further, a company that has a significant number of H1B's doesn't have
> > to worry about "fringe benefits" that many people in the industry get
> > (Stock Options, Ping Pong tables in the breakroom, free food, etc..).
> >
> > While i'm certainly not the blather protectionist, I have seen first
> > hand how a company that hires mostly H1B's goes quickly to pot.
> >
> >
> >
>
> and with the shortage of technically skilled workers, I have seen
> companies actively recruiting H1B workers from other companies, offering
> to take over the visa. Frankly I think H1B stinks, there should be no
> restriction. If they have a job, let them in, gladly.
>
Damn straight. If we got rid of the fucking WELFARE system (paid for
by stealing from the the working folk), we wouldn't have to worry about
stupid work visas.
End Welfare NOW!
> --
> Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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