Linux-Advocacy Digest #897, Volume #32 Mon, 19 Mar 01 17:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: How is FreeBSD faster than Linux? (Edward Rosten)
Re: User Friendly?? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Mindless suicide! Rediculous Dumbasses! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (C Lund)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Austin Ziegler)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:41:29 -0500
Frank Crawford wrote:
>
> "Rex Ballard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > They don't have to. SuSE has done a very good job of doing this for
> > them, and is willing to provide assurances for a certain level of
> > distributions. In reality, the most common hacker attacks on Linux are
> > Denial of Service attacks. With the exception of some WebSphere
> > customers who never bothered to generate a unique private encryption key
> > (listed in the installation procedures as a critical step
> > - but who
> > reads manuals these days :-), there have been very few security hacks.
> > You have to deliberately keep the doors open. Sure, if you have a
> > userid of root, with a password of root, you will probably get cracked
> > wide open, but then again, most experienced administrators know that one
> > of the first things you should do is change the name of the super-user,
> > set the password to something pretty hard to crack
> > (many companies
> > use randomly generated passwords exclusively). With OpenSSH you can
> > control your certificates.
> >
> > Microsoft openly admits that they have back-doors, which they claim to
> > use for tracking software piracy. Given how difficult it is to purchase
> > a computer system without Microsoft software, it's quite likely that
> > Microsoft may have other practical uses for it's "back doors".
> >
> > We know that Microsoft puts critical serial numbers in Word documents
> > shipped across the internet. We know that these serial numbers can be
> > used to ease the cracking of DES and RC5 encryption keys (having a
> > known pattern eliminates the need for a brute-force hack).
> >
> > We know that ActiveX controls can be used to read any file and have it
> > transferred to any site, at a random interval after a site is visited.
> > We know that VBScript attachements can be used to capture critical
> > information and have it e-mailed to a key location.
> >
> > We know of nearly 40 viruses, and we know that Microsoft's "Solutions"
> > to these viruses has been blocking filters that were ineffective at
> > blockng even more destructive versions of the same core infrastructure.
> >
> >> "Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17679.html>
> >> >
> >> > German armed forces ban MS software, citing NSA snooping By: John
> >> > Lettice Posted: 17/03/2001 at 18:59 GMT
> >> >
> >> > The German foreign office and Bundeswehr are pulling the plugs on
> >> > Microsoft software, citing security concerns, according to the German
> >> > news magazine Der Spiegel. Spiegel claims that German security
> >> > authorities suspect that the US National Security Agency (NSA) has
> >> > 'back door' access to Microsoft source code, and can therefore easily
> >> > read the Federal Republic's deepest secrets.
> >
> > This may be one of the reasons that Microsoft has managed to remain
> > above the law, immune to criminal prosecution, able to get swiss-cheese
> > settlements, and win appeals. Snitches are rarely "upstanding
> > citizens", and often take advantage of their priviledged status. Hey,
> > if Microsoft can wire-tap the Bundeswehr and the Kremlin, we can
> > overlook a few hundred companies driven into bankruptcies and a little
> > insider trading.
> >
> > Microsoft might not even be aware of all the colorful characters on
> > staff. Why do excessive favors when you can simply place a few
> > operatives in key positions.
> >
> >> > "The Bundeswehr will no longer use American software ... on
> >> > computers used in sensitive areas..."
> >
> > It's a bit naive to think that not using Microsoft would stop the NSA.
> > On the other hand there's no point in turning yourself into an "open
> > book" for every terrorist and extremist organization in the world. If a
> > high-school kid from the Phillipenes can do 2.5 billion in damages, just
> > imagine what could happen when a professional terrorist from Iraq or
> > Libya decides to
> > "have a little fun".
> >
> > I would hope that the U.S. follows suit. It would be a bit silly to be
> > the only country whose banks, military, regulatory angencies, and
> > financial markets could be tapped like a wide open book.
> >
>
> I would like to say how impressed I am with this post. Lots of facts
> supporting intelligent, well written arguments.
>
> I also agree with the German decicision and hope the rest of Europe
> has the good sense to follow their example.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How is FreeBSD faster than Linux?
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:38:16 +0000
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:35:25 +0000, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hey bastards, how the hell do you come up with this ridiculous assertion
> >> that FreeBSD is faster than Linux? I mean, what kind of benchmark tests
> >
> >IIRC, it was the case (still is?) that FreeBSD ad a rather better VMM,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >making it run much faster under heavy loads with a lot of swapping.
>
> I think you are overlooking the linux 2.4.x kernel.
I'm aware of that.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the oldest known rock is the famous |u98ejr
Hackenthorpe rock, which is over three trillion years |@
old? |eng.ox
-The Hackenthorpe Book of Lies |.ac.uk
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: User Friendly??
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:43:28 -0500
Martigan wrote:
>
> O.k. folks I need some help here. Alot of users that consider MS-whatever
> their true OS. And other consider Linux there same.
>
> Well if user friendly is popping in a CD and type in a fewthings,
>
>waiting....waiting....reboot...waiting.....reboot....waiting....waiting...reboot....zzz.
>
> OR please select your mouse, gfx, snd, moni, and packages.....make some
> coffee.....read a book (O'reilly running LINUX).
>
> What is user friendly? To my experience Windows doesn't want the user to
> think at all. It installs everything possible and hopes you have some of
> the hardware.
>
> Linux puts in what you have, saves a bit of space. Sure I might have to
> configure special things if I want to use my gfx for games. But the choice
> is there.
>
> I think user friendly is: The ability to change everything about the OS to
> fit your needs, with out multiple reboots.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Mindless suicide! Rediculous Dumbasses!
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:44:38 -0500
Anonymous wrote:
>
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:10:08
> > -0700;
> > >"Masha Ku' Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> You know, the really scary thing about Charlie's enthusiasm is that it feels
> > >> so much like the "You GOTTA be saved, Jesus LOVES you!.." enthusiasm of some
> > >> religious sects.
> > >>
> > >> Or is "Linus loves you," more accurate?
> > >
> > >windows is a pretty cool system. easy to install and easy to use. i like
> > >it just fine.
> > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > >
> > >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> > >more even than death
> > >- bertrand russell
> >
> > When I recently changed my .sig, I received several lame comments about
> > how I wasn't following my own advice, using such a sig while flaming
> > trollers rather callously. But that's nothing compared to "Jackie"
> > here; one must presume he hasn't even managed to read his own sig, let
> > alone understand what it says and its applicability to his own comments.
>
> what part of my comment do you dispute?
> that i think windows is cool?
> if so, how can this be considered evidence of fear of thought when it
> expresses nothing more than a subjective response - ie 'that's pretty
> cool'
> or do you have a dispute that windows is easy to use and easy to install?
> if you do i suspect you define 'easy' in an idiosyncratic way which makes
> the byzantine world of unix look good - such as 'it won't crash'
> ignoring the fact that a system which doesn't crash but which requires
> more investment in time and effort than most people are willing to make
> just to get started with is, for most people, effectively useless.
> or perhaps you think liking windows is itself evidence that i fear thought?
> well, that may have an element of truth if you define 'thought' strictly
> as human cpu cycles. my observations indictate that learning to use unix
> well requires an immense amount of what is for most people (myself
> included) tedious and unpleasant mental work. this is the underlying
> reason for the high value placed on unix savvy people by the market in
> that it tends to restrict the supply. (the other side of this is, of
> course, increased demand)
> now it may be that you, like a lot of people on usenet, love working with
> computers. but you should not let this blind you to the fact that for most
> people working with computers has only been made just barely tolerable by
> things like windows.
> and until this is fully understood by the linux evangelists bill gates
> needn't lose any sleep fretting over microsoft losing thier total desktop
> enduser market domination.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
.....which explains why you have such a fear of using Linux.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:45:38 -0500
Martigan wrote:
>
> Andy Walker wrote:
>
> >
> > Jan Johanson wrote in message <3ab419a9$0$48766$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/11929.html
> > >
> > >"Lockheed Martin is working on the design of the new US CVN 77 aircraft
> > >carrier, and Microsoft Federal Systems is to co-operate in the ship's
> > >information technology architecture. This will, we kid you not, be based
> > >on Windows 2000. Microsoft Consulting Services will meanwhile chip in
> > >with
> > tech
> > >support during the ship's software design, development and deployment."
> > >
> > >Cause the Navy knows what everyone else already knows, W2K is rock solid
> > >enough to trust lives to.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > This seems to explain why Americans keep hitting friendly troops then....
> > How about a competition for the first person to knock out the U.S. carrier
> > with the I love you virus!
> >
> >
>
> It is the end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bill Gates, whom already has the
> military by the nutts will own the damn systems they work on!
>
> Yeah the military is so advanced it uses Unix as an email server and Win2K
> for more relibale work....like logistics.
Actually, the Army is a little more rational when it comes to the
important shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:46:20 -0500
Jon Johanson wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Andy Walker wrote:
> >
> > "Blue Screen of Death" has a whole new meaning.
>
> Fortunately that's not an issue with any properly configured system,
> especially not a W2K system hardened for military use - silly boy...
Oddly enough....not a single MCSE can name a single "properly configured"
Microsoft system.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:44:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim
Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll be getting some legal advice today. Free speech does
> have its limits, no matter how many "faces of EdWIN" there
> are.
Legal advice? I think you should show that pedostuff to Edwin's doctor.
Edwin seems to be getting ready for another breakdown.
> --
> Jim Naylor
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:02:22 -0500
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 19 Mar 2001
> [...]
>> The effects are the same; the wording is different. Get a clue, Maxine.
> Are you honestly trying to tell us the only problem you have with the
> GPL is in the wording? Get for real, Austin; nobody's buying it.
Hey, if you're going to be so stupid as to not take me at my word ...
that's your call. My issues are (1) the preamble, and (2) the idiotic
supporters (illustrated nicely by you) who insist upon describing GPLed
software as something it isn't ("free"). Once the restrictions are
exposed clearly and not hidden in bullshit politics, the GPL is Just
Another Licence.
Well, the GPL *is* Just Another Licence, it's just that its supporters
tend to try to pretend that it isn't. It's that dishonesty which is a
problem.
Of course, you probably will reject that -- it doesn't fit into your
world-view.
-f
--
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:07:18 -0500
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 19 Mar 2001
> [...]
>> Something in the public domain does not have a copyright on it. There
>> is no "exclusive legal right to reproduce, publish, and sell" on works
>> in the public domain. You're attempting to reduce a distinction between
>> a copyright and the protections of copyright: they are one and the same
>> thing. [...]
> Oh, well, if *you* say so, then I guess they must be, huh?
>
> The reason it matters, in case you haven't caught on yet, Austin, is
> that you are arguing, as others have noted, that you would to be able to
> do with software which has a copyright (and copyright protection) [GPL
> software] what you can do with software which has a copyright, but no
> protection (BSD) and software which "has no copyright", and therefore no
> protection (public domain, according to your definition).
Sorry, Maxie, but your distinction isn't based on reality. BSDLed
software has a copyright and is protected under copyright law. The
licence is trivial to accept (by which I mean comply with), but if the
licence isn't accepted, then it's still 100% protected under copyright
law. There is a significant difference *in law and in reality* between
licensing one's rights with a low barrier and public domain. Ethics
aside, one can NOT claim BSDLed software as one's own if you didn't
write it; one COULD do that with PD software.
You also can't change the licence on BSDLed software -- only the
copyright holder(s) may do that. PD software can be improved and
relicensed without a second thought -- cf pdtar.
> I just wanted to make sure everything was laid out for you, so you could
> see where the conflicts are. Just because BSD software can be exploited
> as easily as public domain software does not mean that the BSDL is more
> 'free' than GPL; merely that it is more exploitable, as it does not have
> any copyright *protection*, regardless of whether it has a copyright.
It DOES have copyright protection, though, and that's where you're
completely, totally, utterly, and unsurprisingly wrong.
>>>> Your distinction is, like everything else you manage to
>>>> spew about this matter, false and completely without an erg of rational
>>>> thought behind it.
>>> Which is to say you either didn't understand it, or haven't figured out
>>> why it might be important. No bother.
>> THERE IS NO SUCH DISTINCTION. I encourage you to point to the specific
>> part of the law which makes such a distinction.
> The part of copyright law which defines what "public domain" works are.
> Now as to the importance of the distinction, I refer you to the previous
> paragraph.
There's no such distinction. Quote the fscking paragraph, bozo.
-f
--
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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