Linux-Advocacy Digest #912, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban ("Chad Myers")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:32:19 -0500
David Masterson wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > David Masterson wrote:
> >> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > Ah..more like what you've seen before were copies of Unix GUI's
> >> > already in existance. For example, the Windows2000 GUI is a
> >> > (faulty) implementation of the unix/linux-land Enlightenment GUI.
>
> >> Can you back up this claim? Not that I'm disagreeing about Unix/Linux
> >> having GUIs equal or better to Windows -- I've just never heard this
> >> particular claim before.
>
> > Go out and TRY enlightenment, and get back with us.
>
> Sure, a lot of GUIs look alike. M$ may even have copied Enlightment
> (or some combination of UNIX GUIs). I was just wondering if you had
> something concrete to back up the statement with.
>
> >> Well, be nice. Up until the last couple of years with the rise of
> >> a strong Linux, those bosses had a *TON* of PCs on their desks that
> >> converting to a new O/S would've meant throwing out and they just
> >> didn't see enough to justify it.
>
> > "Don't blame me, I bought IBM" worked in the 1960's. In this day
> > and age, there is NO excuse for such lame reasoning.
>
> Whether its a good excuse or not, it is still in use (substitute "M$"
> for "IBM").
I didn't deny that it's in use...I said that it doesn't WASH anymore.
>
> >> > You have the EXACT same pointy-clicky functionality on Linux and
> >> > Unix...in fact, it has been available on Unix for FAR LONGER...
>
> >> True. Although up until PC systems could handle (well) the
> >> requirements of the UNIX interface (ie. X-Windows), not a lot of
> >> people could justify the expense of buying into it (ie. pre-1996).
>
> > That excuse doesn't wash either.
>
> > Hint fucking hint: 1996 was 5 YEARS AGO.
>
> I'm not saying this is the whole problem, just part of it. And, given
> the previous excuse, 5 years (its actually more like 3 for the solid
> Linux environment that runs X-Windows) is not that long in the big IT
> departments.
Then why did M$ try to imply that Lose98 makes Lose95 obsolete,
and now Lose2000 and LoseME make Lose98 obsolete?
>
> >> > Because Dell, Compaq, etc. were specifically PROHIBITED by
> >> > Microsoft from offering operating systems sold by vendors other
> >> > than Microsoft.
>
> >> Also, because the dominant UNIX vendors were more interested in
> >> fighting each other over the workstation "niche" rather than band
> >> together and fight Microsoft over the much bigger PC market.
>
> > This has NOTHING to do with Unix.
>
> Of course it does. The UNIX vendors of the 1980s had plenty of time
> to do battle with Microsoft before it became too big, but they were
> busy fighting each other for "workstation" dominance.
Not SCO.
SCO was locked out of the desktop marketplace by M$'s illegal
exclusionary contracts.
>
> > For years, Microsoft got over, because the various OEM's were
> > completely unaware of the specifics of the contract between
> > Microsoft and other OEM's.
>
> > Now that it has gotten out...well, that's why Microsoft keeps
> > getting CONVICTED FOR CRIMES.
>
> And I hope Microsoft gets whats coming to them. However, depending on
> the government to slap Microsoft down may be a false hope.
>
Not *all* justice comes from government agencies.
> >> > The one sentance answer: Microsoft is a criminal organization,
> >> > which uses racketeering, extortion, and other techniques of
> >> > intimidation to keep competitors products OUT of vendors' catalog
> >> > pages.
>
> >> Too simple. Microsoft was able to sneak into this position for
> >> several reasons:
>
> >> * Microsoft was "annointed" by IBM in 1981 (the billion dollar deal).
> >> * Apple couldn't compete with IBM in hardware sales in the 1980s.
> >> * AT&T did not know how to compete with UNIX or hardware.
>
> > AT&T was PROHIBITED from competing in the computing industry
> > at that time.
>
> AT&T was released from this with the 1984 breakup. I know I was using
> the (in)famous UNIX PC in 1986 and the AT&T 3B UNIX servers were
> available even earlier. UNIX (with a GUI) was just too powerful to
> run on the CPUs of that day and age *unless* AT&T had committed to
> developing leaner and meaner versions of UNIX. But it never did...
true. On the other hand, AT&T had absolutely ZERO experience
in the computer industry as a vendor...and given their previous
several decades of telecom experience, was not even properly
staffed (i.e management) to play the game.
>
> >> * UNIX vendors couldn't push UNIX onto the PC successfully.
> >> * UNIX vendors were more interested in selling UNIX hardware.
> >> * Commodore/Atari couldn't grow out of the game machine market.
> >> * Apple lost its focus in the 1990s and lost a lot of support.
> >> * Microsoft started using their monopoly hold over PC vendors.
> >> * New OSes in the '90s didn't have the clout to hurt Microsoft.
> >> * ...probably a few I've forgotten.
>
> > M$ Windows was not "well established" in the early 1990's. There
> > were a large variety of GUI's available that ran on top of DOS.
>
> > They all faded within a year when Microsoft INSISTED that Windows 3.1
> > ^^^^^^^^
> > be bundled with DOS, to the EXCLUSION of all competing products.
>
> Monopoly or not, there was no competing with Microsoft on its playing
> field (ie. DOS/Windows) once Microsoft went into the applications
You've never heard of Digital Research, and DR-DOS, which had a
10% compatible, TRUE multi-tasking version of DOS on the market in
1985.
Oh...and by the way...M$ settled that suit OUT OF COURT in return
for an agreement that Caldera (who bought out DR) *NEVER* say another
word about it again.
Innocent parties don't do things like that.
> business. However, the players that could've moved us in a different
> direction at the right time either couldn't market what they had to IT
> (Atari and Commodore), lost their focus (Apple), or were looking in
> the wrong direction (UNIX vendors).
>
> >> > Does the phrase "illegal leveraging of a monopoly" mean anything
> >> > to you?
>
> >> You know something. If Microsoft converts its applications to
> >> Linux, then it stands the best chance of "monopolizing" that
> >> platform too...
>
> > Not really.
>
> > Once people are exposed to TRUE choice (not the conjuror's choice
> > of "Bill's productA or Bill's productB"), Microsoft will die.
>
> Well, there is still the excuse mentioned above.
It's invalid. In the 1960's the only computer manufacturer
most people had ever heard of was IBM....right up to the time
of the PC.
On the other hand, It was pretty hard to get through the 1980's
without being aware of the TRS-80, Apple, Atari, Commodore, and
other vendors.
In fact, the "Don't blame me, I bought IBM" excuse was solidly
KILLED by the vast market of PC-clone manufacturers.
Now...to be taking advantage of alternative hardware suppliers,
and then deny that you are aware of the existance of alternatives
is....counter-intuitive.
Others who wish to present their thoughts more clearly simply
call it "lying" or "so goddamned fucking stupid as to be incompetant"
>
> > Microsoft's revenue is HIGHLY dependant upon *FORCING* people to
> > upgrade.
>
> Everybody who wants to make money selling software is *HIGHLY*
> dependent on getting people to upgrade. Much as I hate it, this, in
> turn, reinforces the use of the excuse ("it costs less to upgrade then
> throw everything out and buy new").
>
FORD and GM have both switched CAD platforms at minimal cost,
because they ONLY used CAD vendors which use NON-PROPRIETARY
file formats.
Anybody who generates and manipulates business-essential data
with applications that use proprietary formats is a fool who
will eventually pay for that foolishness by being driven from
the marketplace for excessive operating costs.
> --
> David Masterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Rational Software (but I don't speak for them)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:33:20 GMT
In article <3ab6b442$0$28226$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Johanson wrote:
>
>"Rex Ballard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Microsoft openly admits that they have back-doors, which they claim to
>> use for
>> tracking software piracy.
>
>LIAR - prove it.
>
>>Given how difficult it is to purchase a
>> computer system
>> without Microsoft software, it's quite likely that Microsoft may have
>> other practical
>> uses for it's "back doors".
>
>Difficult? I can and have done it 100s of times. Your statement makes no
>logical sense.
>
>>
>> We know that Microsoft puts critical serial numbers in Word documents
>> shipped across
>> the internet.
>
>bullshit
>
>>We know that these serial numbers can be used to ease the
>> cracking of
>> DES and RC5 encryption keys (having a known pattern eliminates the need
>> for a brute-force
>> hack).
>
>Bullshit.
>
>>
>> We know that ActiveX controls can be used to read any file and have it
>> transferred to
>> any site, at a random interval after a site is visited.
>
>Only matters if it's done without your permission. We know that perl scripts
>can be used to read any file and have it transfered to any site at a random
>interval aftera a site is visited. so?
>
>> We know that
>> VBScript attachements
>> can be used to capture critical information and have it e-mailed to a
>> key location.
>
>We know that binary attachments can do any fucking thing the users
>permissions allow it to do - so? So does any other OS.
>
>
>the only thing I know from reading your post is that you are more of an
>idiot than I first guessed.
>
>
HA HA! That will help them now Jan!
Hey EVERYBODY! Microsoft is safe to use now!
Because Jan SAYS SO!
HA HA HA!
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:34:20 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> Can anyone imagine, let's say a CTO of a large multinational company, the
> kind Linux advocates would love say they beat MS in, jumping into one of
> these newsgroups and reading the "professionalism" expressed in this
> group(see below)? Unix people have always been touted as being this
> arrogant and narrow-minded and I have had my fair share of the
> unprofessional manner.
>
> In the past I have had Unix people say there were going to slash my tires,
> and some sabotaged a web server farm I worked in because they didn't like NT
> servers being there. But here one can see it first hand. It is sad
> because for all the good Linux and Unix may be over NT, who can trust a
> group of people who act like this to administer it?
>
> If I go to any of the MS groups it isn't this way. There is no masculinity
> tests for how much I know or do not. People there generally comment more
> positively if someone says Linux is better and give good arguments both pro
> and con. Here however, people tend to disagree by 13 year old name
> calling and not really giving out much in terms of information. (if you are
> too stupid to know I won't tell you). All anyone hears is "MS IS A
> MONOPOLY" or "WE DID GUI FIRST", and "IF YOU CAN'T INSTALL IT YOU ARE
> F***IN DUMB", etc, etc,... ad nauseum. But one rarely hears about
> solutions businesses need today coming out of this.
>
> I don't mean to say this of all Unix/Linux people for I know some that I
> consider good friends and they act extremely professional. But there are so
> many that do not and all it does is give Microsoft and others MORE
> ammunition to scare corporations that the Linux community so desperately
> needs away.
>
> My 2 cents....
None of which excuses being a JACKASS by choosing Mafia$oft LoseDog platforms.
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Shades wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well this is all true but creating a multitasking OS and having
> hardware
> > > to
> > > > > support it on was way too expensive for companies to put on someones
> > > desktop
> > > >
> > > > You are truly and idiot.
> > > >
> > > > You really are fucking clueless about how little effort it takes to
> > > > create a multi-tasking operating system.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest you shut your pie-hole until you have taken the relevant
> > > > systems programming course at a university.
> > >
> > > No I have and I played with the Tannebaum code quite a while ago.
> True, I
> >
> > Then you know FULL WELL that your claim that multi-tasking is difficult
> > to develop and support is an outright lie.
> >
> > GAME
> > SET
> > MATCH
> >
> > Thank you for playing....JACKASS!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:36:17 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Shades wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well this is all true but creating a multitasking OS and having
> hardware
> > > to
> > > > > support it on was way too expensive for companies to put on someones
> > > desktop
> > > >
> > > > You are truly and idiot.
> > > >
> > > > You really are fucking clueless about how little effort it takes to
> > > > create a multi-tasking operating system.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest you shut your pie-hole until you have taken the relevant
> > > > systems programming course at a university.
> > >
> > > No I have and I played with the Tannebaum code quite a while ago.
> True, I
> >
> > Then you know FULL WELL that your claim that multi-tasking is difficult
> > to develop and support is an outright lie.
> >
> > GAME
> > SET
> > MATCH
> >
> > Thank you for playing....JACKASS!
> Can anyone imagine, let's say a CTO of a large multinational company, the
> kind Linux advocates would love say they beat MS in, jumping into one of
> these newsgroups and reading the "professionalism" expressed in this
> group(see below)? Unix people have always been touted as being this
> arrogant and narrow-minded and I have had my fair share of the
> unprofessional manner.
>
> In the past I have had Unix people say there were going to slash my tires,
> and some sabotaged a web server farm I worked in because they didn't like NT
> servers being there. But here one can see it first hand. It is sad
> because for all the good Linux and Unix may be over NT, who can trust a
> group of people who act like this to administer it?
>
> If I go to any of the MS groups it isn't this way. There is no masculinity
> tests for how much I know or do not. People there generally comment more
> positively if someone says Linux is better and give good arguments both pro
> and con. Here however, people tend to disagree by 13 year old name
> calling and not really giving out much in terms of information. (if you are
> too stupid to know I won't tell you). All anyone hears is "MS IS A
> MONOPOLY" or "WE DID GUI FIRST", and "IF YOU CAN'T INSTALL IT YOU ARE
> F***IN DUMB", etc, etc,... ad nauseum. But one rarely hears about
> solutions businesses need today coming out of this.
>
> I don't mean to say this of all Unix/Linux people for I know some that I
> consider good friends and they act extremely professional. But there are so
> many that do not and all it does is give Microsoft and others MORE
> ammunition to scare corporations that the Linux community so desperately
> needs away.
>
> My 2 cents....
>
And how does this deflect from the fact that you KNOWINGLY LIED about
the supposed difficulty of developing a multi-tasking kernal...JACKASS
(hint hint: it took me less than a month...WORKING BY MYSELF
with a crude 1970's 8-bit processor with no user/privileged
modes).
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:36:43 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jon Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Andy Walker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Blue Screen of Death" has a whole new meaning.
> > >
> > > Fortunately that's not an issue with any properly configured system,
> > > especially not a W2K system hardened for military use - silly boy...
> >
> > Oddly enough....not a single MCSE can name a single "properly configured"
> > Microsoft system.
>
> I can. Mine. Never crashed under W2K. Never. Not once. Ever. Period. What
> did I do special? Loaded W2K, applied SP1, downloaded non-beta drivers and
> have enjoyed 100% uptime. Simple...
Prove it, liar.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:21:45 GMT
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > hahahaha - silly penguinistas - I TOLD you it was a lie... but you choose to
> > believe your own fud machines... hehe
> >
> > http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C42502%2C00.html
>
> Did you actually read the article you posted?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Andy Mueller-Maguhn, a leader of Berlin's Chaos Computer Club and also
Europe's
> representative on the board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers (ICANN), said he believed the German government was probably in
> damage-control mode. In other words: He thinks the report in Der Spiegel is
> probably accurate.
>
> "You have to remember we have a new U.S. government to think of and it's very
> sure that no one in the German government wants to hurt that new political
> relationship," said Mueller-Maguhn, an occasional adviser to government
> figures.
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
So who cares what this wacko thinks? Who the hell is he? The leader
of some computer club? ROFL.
Here's another link:
http://www.idg.net/ic_481406_1794_1-493.html
And in any note, anyone who was concerned about this would simply
use their own crypto-suite or buy another commercial one and
be done with it. If you don't trust Microsoft's CryptoAPI, then don't
use it.
It's good to see yet another Register lie has been exposed.
Hopefully you people will see that's it's just a propaganda FUD
machine full of lies and deceit.
-c
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:38:09 -0500
Mike Martinet wrote:
>
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can. Mine. Never crashed under W2K. Never. Not once. Ever. Period. What
> > did I do special? Loaded W2K, applied SP1, downloaded non-beta drivers and
> > have enjoyed 100% uptime. Simple...
>
> From what I remember, an aircraft carrier has upwards of 5000 people on
> it. Dozens of high-tech aircraft, numerous complicated systems - you
> get the point. And your servers that have never crashed, what do they
> run? A small city? You have enjoyed 100% uptime doing... what?
> Serving web pages?
>
> Your argument appears to be that W2k is, in your experience, stable
> enough to be trusted to running an enormous military apparatus. Correct
> me if I'm wrong.
>
> If you're running traffic control for a city of 20,000 people on your
> W2k machines, you'll have a match. If you're running traffic, insanely
> over-used airport, sanitation, police, fire, Human Resources, medical,
> recreation, national guard and food service for 5000 people, you'll
> definitely have a match.
>
> Are you doing that? That's the test.
>
> Of course, the other test will be if the Navy continues to use Windows.
> For that, we can only wait and see, I suppose. And hope this ship
> doesn't face any really serious crises before the bugs are worked out.
>
> MjM
Let's just hope that it fucks up beyond all recognition in a
training exercise, where the "enemy" consists of nothing more
than other US warships.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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