Linux-Advocacy Digest #945, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 20:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: What is user friendly? ("Nik Simpson")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Nik Simpson")
Re: SuSE 7.1 Vs. 7.0 (Jim Broughton)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (Giuliano Colla)
Re: GPL not being free doesn't mean that the license is invalid. ("JD")
Re: SuSE 7.1 Vs. 7.0 (Chad Everett)
Re: What is user friendly? (Chad Everett)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Graham Murray)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:44:47 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Craig Oshima wrote:
> > Most users (including hackers) do not use hundreds of other programs. A
> > dozen is probably more than most people ever use. However, the fact
that
> > the average cost of any given commercial application is 100 USD or more
is a
> > good reason to cheer on Linux.
>
> Regardless...
>
> A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
> the installation disk.
>
> For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
> to a DAY.
>
I guess I must be the exception that proves the rule, I just installed a new
desktop for myself at work, went from a blank 20GB hard drive to W2K+Office
and a couple of other apps fully installed in about 1.5hours, a good portion
of which was formatting the filesystem on the 20GB drive. I can well believe
that Aaron takes a day to setup a Windows box, but that's more of a comment
on Aaron than on Windows.
--
Nik Simpson
------------------------------
Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:46:36 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Craig Oshima wrote:
> > >
> > > A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
> > > the installation disk.
> > >
> > > For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
> > > to a DAY.
> >
> > I sure don't know where you get your information...it doesn't take more
than
> > an hour for me to do a clean install of W2K and Office.
>
> And all of your other software is .... where.....exactly?
>
What other software, for most users, that covers there requirements very
well, it's got a full office suite, a browser, two mail programs, and full
GUI I/F on top of the OS, so pray tell us Aaron, what else does the average
user need or even want?
------------------------------
From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE 7.1 Vs. 7.0
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:47:58 GMT
Chad Everett wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:58:16 GMT, Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have SuSE 7.0 Pro. running KDE 2.1
> >
> >I am thinking of switching to SuSE 7.1 personal
> >
> >Pros, cons?
> >
>
> Pros:
> http://linux.cnet.com/linux/0-2136876-7-5137205.html?tag=txt
>
> Cons:
> none?
Plenty of cons and pros too First up.. Installing with 2.2.18 kernel
provides NO kernel sources in the install (available on the install media).
Second once you install them they are next to worthless as SuSE has made
some sort of modifications to either the code or configuration files that
make the source completely uncompilable (you know your own custom kernel).
Installation of the 2.4.0 code is therefore almost essencial. Also you are
pretty much FORCED into using ALSA, the advanced? linux sound arcitecture.
Alsa sucks. Othere things however brighten the picture considerably.
The way SuSE implimented KDE 2.0.1 is just next to heaven. As is the VAST
collection of software available, especialy if you get the proffesional
edition as I did. The DVD install is also very slick (no more CD swaps).
A full install is more than 4.5GB. With source this can push it to more than
8GB. (1789 packages for full install 3450 with full + source.) with even
more stuff still on the dvd that was NOT installed because of overlaping
functionality. There are some minor omissions of good software GQview
among them. Overall the system has just about everything your going to need.
Staroffice 5.2. (on the install disk not as a separate cd). The complete
gcc tools including cross compilers. In short everything includeing the
damn kitchen sink. (now if it were just as easy to maintain as slackware
I would be all set).
--
Jim Broughton
(The AmigaOS now there was an OS!)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:55:02 GMT
Shades wrote:
>
> >
> > you KNOWINGLY LIED, and there's no squirming out of it...JACKASS!
> >
> >
>
> Let me ask you a question. Could a large office full of secretaries easily
> used a multitasking OS using the command line? Or a CEO of a company. I
> admitted it was technically possible to do it but given that apps ran so
> damned slow on an old 8086/88 why would they?
The answer is obviously yes to all your questions.
Intel made in the mid 80's a fairly good real-time multitasking OS
called iRMX, which only offered CLI. It run on an old 8086, then
subsequent versions were made for 80286 (iRMX II) and 80386 (iRMX III).
It has been used by DOD (they had 7000 of them, so I presume it wasn't
used only by four star generals), and in many different applications. My
company has been using this OS on a custom made computer which used a
damned slow 16 MHz 80186 to make a workstation for textile industry,
used by completely unskilled operators. The product has been phased out
a couple of years ago, and replaced by software running on a standard
Windows PC. We have continuos requests from our customers to revive the
product, because Windows is "so slow", so "bizarre", so "difficult to
figure out", and "locks so frequently, making you loose all your work".
When you're used to something which works, it's difficult to swallow
crappy Windows.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:02:12 GMT
Shades wrote:
>
> "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <997r3b$p1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shades" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I agree there are NT wackos out there too but at least from working with
> > > people from both camps, I have found that the NT wackos "generally" are
> > > a lot less wacko, or at least a lot less vocal about it.
> >
> > My experience is completely different from yours. I have been in 2
> > companies with 2 different NT machines....The machines both lock up
> > whenever the network is interrupted. In both places there have been a lot
> > of 'NT' experts telling me that NT doesn't lock up, although there it is
> > locking up in front of their own eyes. But they're adamant that it is a
> > machine problem...not an NT problem.
>
> I have only had a similar problem to the one you mentioned and that was with
> Compaq 3000's running with redundant ethernet cards that were TI based.
> They would occasionally do a fail over and hang or blue screen the whole OS.
> Compaq blamed it all on MS and after some time Compaq admitted it was the TI
> based ethernet cards. They had really flaky problems sometimes with the
> 3000's and Compaq sort of admitted that we should use the Intel based cards.
> It had to do with the hardware not supporting IRQ sharing (or something
> along those lines). After they were all swapped out everything work great.
>
> Besides that particular episode I have not had anything really close to the
> problem you mention.
>
> >
> > When I put on Linux and the same machines, and actually start pulling the
> > ethernet cable during file copies...and show that the machine handles it
> > with no lockups, These NT goons start insulting my me, my family, etc.,
> > etc and become those wackos you talk about.
> >
>
> That is bizarre and it sounds like a more fundamental problem than the OS.
> I have had NT3.51, 4.0 and W2K on my laptop and run multiple servers with it
> and I have no such problem whatsoever and never did. Even worse is how
> those people reacted.
>
> > Amazing how I've always run into those whackos....and all I have to say is
> > that I don't run Windows. It was that way when I ran an Apple II Plus in
> > the old days, and I knew people running Amigas, Ataris, whatever that were
> > constantly badgered simply because they didn't run an MS Operating System.
> >
> > I've simply found that the Windows users are the second most arrogant
> > bunch of users I've ever seen. ( The number 1 arrogant group I've seen is
> > the OS2 crowd.......I refuse to get involved with OS2 to this day, not
> > because of the OS, but because of the users and their crappy attitudes).
> >
>
> I was speaking from many of the corporate environments I have been in where
> for example Windows NT was being looked at replacing other types of servers.
> I have seen wacky things on both ends but not like what you are saying from
> MS people.
>
> >
> > > Both camps
> > > do have both good professional people it is far easier for MS to tell a
> > > customer on the fence about moving over to Linux why they shouldn't.
> >
> > They sure can't do this truthfully. People really do get 'miffed' when
> > they find they have been lied to.
> >
> >
> > > Especially if this company got burned in the past by similar types of
> > > people...
> >
> > 1. I think you're a Win-troll pretending to be sensible when all you're
> > really doing is pushing the MS agenda. Perhaps one of the MS Fudsters.
> >
>
> Hmm.. well you can think what you want but I didn't say anything that was
> detrimental towards Linux/Unix at all. Pretend for a moment that I was a
> customer with a big budget and I had some concern regarding using Linux
> because some MS sales rep said they were untrustworthy people(not too far
> off base from reality from what a sales rep would say). I go to a couple
> of places and see what people are like and I get some negative reactions.
> So I point out that there is a perception, real or not, that Linux/Unix
> people tend to be un-professional. Instead of getting back people saying I
> am wrong and why I get flamed for working for MS, etc.... Now quite
> frankly I would love for more companies to compete against MS successfully
> because it would give me, the customer, better choices. Also many of you
> start to killfile me and that is fine... however if I was a customer, you
> would lose the potential to convert a person's perception.
If you were the businessman you pretend to be, making your choices and
taking your decisions the way you tell, you'd be broke before even
getting your first telephon bill.
>
> Regardless of what I am I never pushed MS and all I said were things I
> "thought" might be useful from my perspective on taking on MS.
------------------------------
From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: GPL not being free doesn't mean that the license is invalid.
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:08:18 -0500
"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Out of curiosity, in regards to the GPL, does anyone know of anyone
> >being taken to court for violating the GPL?
>
> AFAIK, this has never happend. I consider this a pity, because it would
> clear up a lot of confusion if it had. I think the FSF has threatened
> some folks over this, bit this never went to court. IIRC Apple was one
> of them for using the gcc code in writing the Objective C compiler. This
> is now GPLed.
>
Perfect example of Apple 'believing' that the GPL was a license of free software,
but whoops!!! It isn't really free :-(.
Rather than listening to the rhetoric about the GPL being a license of free software,
they should have carefully read the license, ignoring the rhetoric.
John
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: SuSE 7.1 Vs. 7.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:03:20 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Everett wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:58:16 GMT, Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >I have SuSE 7.0 Pro. running KDE 2.1
>> >
>> >I am thinking of switching to SuSE 7.1 personal
>> >
>> >Pros, cons?
>> >
>>
>> Pros:
>> http://linux.cnet.com/linux/0-2136876-7-5137205.html?tag=txt
>>
>> Cons:
>> none?
>
>Plenty of cons and pros too First up.. Installing with 2.2.18 kernel
>provides NO kernel sources in the install (available on the install media).
>Second once you install them they are next to worthless as SuSE has made
>some sort of modifications to either the code or configuration files that
>make the source completely uncompilable (you know your own custom kernel).
>Installation of the 2.4.0 code is therefore almost essencial. Also you are
>pretty much FORCED into using ALSA, the advanced? linux sound arcitecture.
>Alsa sucks. Othere things however brighten the picture considerably.
>The way SuSE implimented KDE 2.0.1 is just next to heaven. As is the VAST
>collection of software available, especialy if you get the proffesional
>edition as I did. The DVD install is also very slick (no more CD swaps).
>A full install is more than 4.5GB. With source this can push it to more than
>8GB. (1789 packages for full install 3450 with full + source.) with even
>more stuff still on the dvd that was NOT installed because of overlaping
>functionality. There are some minor omissions of good software GQview
>among them. Overall the system has just about everything your going to need.
>Staroffice 5.2. (on the install disk not as a separate cd). The complete
>gcc tools including cross compilers. In short everything includeing the
>damn kitchen sink. (now if it were just as easy to maintain as slackware
>I would be all set).
>
>--
>
I immediatley compiled my own 2.2.x and 2.4.3pre2 kernels and just
installed my own sound modules as built by these kernels. I did
have to edit /etc/modules.conf myself for my sound modules to work...but
it is working just fine. You'll want to immediately replace the 2.4.0
kernel anyway since it has some nasty bugs.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:07:13 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:46:36 -0500, Nik Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Craig Oshima wrote:
>> > >
>> > > A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
>> > > the installation disk.
>> > >
>> > > For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
>> > > to a DAY.
>> >
>> > I sure don't know where you get your information...it doesn't take more
>than
>> > an hour for me to do a clean install of W2K and Office.
>>
>> And all of your other software is .... where.....exactly?
>>
>What other software, for most users, that covers there requirements very
>well, it's got a full office suite, a browser, two mail programs, and full
>GUI I/F on top of the OS, so pray tell us Aaron, what else does the average
>user need or even want?
>
>
A good anti-virus program...and lots of prayer
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:07:22 GMT
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:13:53 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> > 8<SNIP>8
> >>
> >> > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> >> > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> >> > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> >> > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> >> > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> >> > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> >>
> >> Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person. Substitute
> >> "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> >> apart.
> >
> >Wrong.
> >
> >I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I have the university
> >education AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> >I'm talking about.
> >
> >Chad, on the other hand, spews Microsoft propaganda.
> >
> >I wonder how much they pay him each month to post his propaganda.
> >
> >And yes, Microsoft DOES pay people to post on this and other newsgroups.
> >
> >
>
> I love Microsoft. It is really neat and since it came installed on the
> computer I bought at CompUSA, the installation was really easy. During
> the two hours a day that it's turned on, it never, ever crashes. I really
> like the way I can use Microsoft Office to keep track of my recipes. I also
> use it to work on the MCSE course I bought at CompUSA for $120.00. I have
> already gotten past chapter one and I know how to configure my computer to
> dial-in to either AOL or MSN, BOTH! I really like the fact that I can
> get free updates from Microsoft every year when they come out. Can anyone
> help me with some DOS commands that I am trying to run? I am trying to
> figure out how to get my computer to turn on automatically at the same time
> that my coffee machine goes on in the morning? Someone told me to use "at"
> but it doesn't work.
>
> By the way....do you know how much Microsoft pays for posting to this group?
>
> Your help is appreciated.
If one must judge from the result, I'd say that they pay peanuts. It's
only attractive for monkeys :-)
------------------------------
From: Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: 21 Mar 2001 00:14:22 +0000
In gnu.misc.discuss, "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It prevents many potentially useful things from being possible at
> all with GPL'd code. If by 'user' you mean a person who
> cannot assemble his own set of components where some
> parts are GPL'd and some not, there will be no legal way
> to obtain these things.
By "user" I mean someone who just wishes to run the software to
perform some task, as opposed to a developer who may wish to change it
(either to add new functionality, improve it, fix bug or incorporate
the software (or part thereof) within a new product). Most "non-free"
software only offers the opportunity to be user, only the "supplier"
can make changes. Therefore, to the user, GPL'd software suffers no
disadvantages[1][2] over "commercial" software.
[1] Im terms of the licensing.
[2] With the possible exception of "there is no-one to sue if the
(use of the) software causes loss".
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:28:01 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> > wp report.wp
> >
> > Wow...that's sooooooooo freaking difficult
> >
>
> Um... for someone who never touched a computer before it really was.
So is windows, for that matter.
> Also
> changing to that directory was difficult for a person to do too. Some
> people are brought up on it but many at that time (1980) had not.
And this has what relevance today, exactly?
>
> >
> >
> > > > > Or a CEO of a company. I
> > > > > admitted it was technically possible to do it but given that apps
> ran so
> > > > > damned slow on an old 8086/88 why would they?
> > > >
> > > > They handled ALL of that just find in the late 1980's.
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that a man who is smart enough to become the CEO of
> > > > a fortune 500 company is too stupid to figure out stuff that
> > > > junior-high kids can handle?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, I am saying a Fortune 500 CEO doesn't have the time nor the patience
> to.
> > > He has a business to run and think about. Do you think Ted Turner cares
> > > about the umount or tar command?
> >
> >
> > Hey, dipshit, Unix and Linux have had GUI's that are FAR more capable
> > than Windows for ***YEARS**** now.
>
> Yeah that is true. Sorry I thought we had been originally talking about
> the real early 80's and I do not quite remember if there were any at that
> time.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:28:49 -0500
Scott Gardner wrote:
>
> On 19 Mar 2001 09:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick
> Condon) wrote:
>
> >Eugenio Mastroviti wrote:
> >>Nick Condon wrote:
> >>> Bringing up a Linux installation is *easier* than doing it in Windows.
> >>
> >>This is simply not true. Again, it is from my and your point of view (a
> >>*really working* Win installation is not simply harder, it's
> >>impossible...). It is not from Joe User's point of view.
> >
> >The only people who install operating systems are people who build their
> >own PCs and corporate techies. Everyone else gets a PC with an OS already
> >on it, so Joe User is irrelevant to this discussion.
>
> <<SNIP>>
>
> >Nick
>
> True, but if Linux is going to gain a large foothold in the desktop
> market, it's going to be these "Joe User"s that make the difference.
Wrong.
Joe User will use whatever the fuck management puts on his desktop.
end of story.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:29:35 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > "." wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > 8<SNIP>8
> >> >>
> >> >> > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> >> >> > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> >> >> > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> >> >> > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> >> >> > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> >> >> > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person.
>Substitute
> >> >> "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> >> >> apart.
> >>
> >> > Wrong.
> >>
> >> You appear to be the only one who thinks so, again, just like chad.
> >>
> >> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> With a few things yes, just like chad. But but your paranoid political
>philosophies
> >> are IDENTICAL to chads.
> >>
> >> > I have the university
> >> > education
> >>
> >> So does chad, and so do I.
> >>
> >> > AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> >> > I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> Chad says he does too.
> >>
> >> > Chad, on the other hand, spews Microsoft propaganda.
> >>
> >> You spout the same paranoid conspiracy theorist crap.
> >>
> >> > I wonder how much they pay him each month to post his propaganda.
> >>
> >> Ah, theres that paranoia again.
> >>
> >> > And yes, Microsoft DOES pay people to post on this and other newsgroups.
> >>
> >> Alright kulkis, ive asked you before and youve patently refused, but how bout
> >> some absolute evidence of this statement?
> >>
>
> > You forget the discovery of the "astroturfing" campaign so quickly?
>
> > For those who don't get it...that was Microsoft's decision to start
> > financing a campaign of paid correspondance to *LOOK LIKE* "grassroots"
> > support.
>
> > fake grass => astroturf.
>
> Right, I remember that, but I also dont remember seeing ANY kind of evidence
> that there were ever microsoft plants in COLA. I'm not saying that it hasnt
How quickly he forgets.
> happened (or that it isnt happening), but before you swear up and down that
> its the truth, it would be very helpful if you pointed out some sources containing
> hard evidence.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
