Linux-Advocacy Digest #100, Volume #33 Mon, 26 Mar 01 03:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (GreyCloud)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:04:02 -0500
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> >
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > AHHAHAHAH peter - you are so funny, that cute little .VBS file you
> > > attached. hehehe - did you really think that a) I would just double
> > > click on it cause it says "i love windows", b) did you really think that
> > > any NT/W2K advocate worth one half his salt doesn't have "hide
> > > extensions" turned off so seeing past the cutsey .txt.vbs shit is even
> > > easier than c) didn't think I'd recognize the icon for a script versus a
> > > text file and d) didn't have virus/script checking enabled and updated
> > > or e) trust a linuvocate whatsoever?
> > >
> > > And to your point - its exactly like those stupid .jpg.vbs "virus"
> > > people report. That's OLD, its' been patched and fixed. and yet it's
> > > always "news" whenever a new variation come out - why? cause it's
> > > "popular" to bash MS that's why and you are just as tired and lame as
> > > the others... grow up...
> > >
> >
> > Well, little Jan, you should, before bragging so loud, start to look what
> > was posted there exactly:
> >
> > Starte I-LOVE-WINDOWS.txt.vbs
> > http://www.klickibunti.org/buntibunti.html
> > Society against GUI Domination
> > Beende
> >
> > replace "Starte" with "begin" and "Beende" with "end", and then you´ve
> > got the whole part of it: Just a fucking Signature, which youre braindead
> > newsreader can´t show correctly.
> >
> > It also shows *very* clearly, that there´s something seriously missing
> > between your ears (commonly known as brain).
> >
> > Now, as I already said, grow up.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > --
> > Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
>
> Hi pete. His problem is he doesn't know that VBscripts won't even work
> under UNIX.
> Thats why I switched over to UNIX... to keep away from security hazards
> like these. Even when the MS product is patched, so!?! MS draws the
> attention of security hackers because it is vogue these days. It keeps
> MS busy fixing things up and putting out patches.
>
> Anybody know where my wife can get a third party print manager for
> Win98SE??
Get yourself a cheap computer...like, that's headed for the trash bin.
Put Linux on it. Hook up your printers.
Attach Linux machine to an ethernet network in your house.
Ta-DAH. Powerful print manager for next-to-nothing $$$.
Oh..and you can be REALLY slick and make it your firewall, too.
> She's holding out on buying into anything as long as what she has still
> works.
> She won't buy W2K as its too expensive and won't run on her HP
> Pavillion. Looked it up on Microsoft.com for hardware compatibility and
> its not there. Asked HP about it and they said it won't run on that
> particular board.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:06:40 -0500
Interconnect wrote:
>
> > > I vote for Jon Johanson as "The Most Clueless Wintroll, 2001" anyone
> > > second my vote ?
> > >
> Seconded!
A new entry has just appeared on the scene: Brian Rourke
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:07:56 -0600
"Brian Rourke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >First things first. Linux is a kernel, and that's it. What loads the
kernel
> >is different for different distributions. You're problem here is what is
> >being used to load the kernel, not the kernel itself. Again, that's not
an
> >excuse, just trying to point out that this is not a failing of the Linux
> >kernel, but rather the Linux distributions (your particular problem at
> >least).
>
> Yes, I understand that the problem is with the distribution. The
> kernel is loading (into RAM I think) from the cdrom drive in order to
> run the install program, and that's it.
Ok, that's a little more information.
> >Also, this is likely not a problem that has anything to do with Gateway.
> >The fact that your were able to partition and run the setup program means
> >that Linux is working just fine on your computer and is recognizing the
> >hardware. This tells me that the problem is squarely in the loader.
>
> I used fdisk to partition the drive when I bought the computer.
> Nothing Linux-related had anything to do with my initial
> re-partitioning. I have not been able to install Linux at all, so the
> problem does seem to be related to the Gateway hardware. Two common
> distributions have not been able to make their software compatible
> with a common piece of hardware, it seems to me.
Nope, not the gateway hardware at all, but rather what you've done. The
reason two distributions have problems is because you've made the disk
unuseable for them with PM.
> >In another message you posted this partition information.
> >
> >>My hard drive is partitioned in the following way:
> >>
> >>Drive C: (primary) 8079 MB (FAT32)
> >>Drive D: (ext) 10234MB (FAT32)
> >>Drive E: (ext) 5112MB (FAT 32)
> >>Drive F: (ext) 5151MB (FAT 32)
> >
> >>I used the PartitionMagic utility to create a 2GB Linux partition on
> >>C: drive, which is the first drive on the disk.
> >
> >First thing you have to do is stop thinking about these partitions as
> >"drives" and especially not as "the C: drive". These are partitions 0,
1, 2
> >and 3 on a single drive.
>
> Ok. Thanks for telling me about the terminology. I know that they're
> not real drives, just "logical drives," though that's the language I'm
> used to seeing. I didn't make it up. Linux uses different words,
> which is fine, especially as they seem more precise.
Yes, I was simply informing you, not criticizing. the word "C: drive" has
no meaning in Linux, since it doesn't use letters, but rather a single tree
based file system.
> >Now, claiming that you "create a 2GB Linux partition on C: drive" makes
no
> >sense. Your first partition is 8GB. Did you delete partition 0 and
> >recreate a Linux partition? What kind? Generally when you create linux
> >partitions, you create several of them. A common configuration is to
have a
> >/boot partition of type ext2, a / partition of type ext2, and a swap
partion
> >of type Linux swap. How did you configure the Linux parititons?
>
> I used a lite version of PartitionMagic which came with the Mandrake
> 7.0 distribution to create a partition for Linux in Partition 0. This
> version of PartitionMagic runs in Windows before Linux installation.
> That's as far as I got, so I have not configured any Linux partitions.
> The installation program cannot recognize my hard drive at all, or any
> part of it.
Ok, this is the problem. You've created a partition with PM. Don't do
that. Just like when you try and create partitions with PM for Dos or
Windows, it's never a good idea. Instead, use PM to resize your partitions
and use fdisk to delete a partition large enough for Linux. Then let Linux
partition the free space on the drive itself.
Basically you've confused the setup program. You're lucky you didn't wipe
out your disk, since Red Hat will do that if you choose the wrong option.
For what you've spent on two copies of Linux, you could have bought a
dedicated hard disk for it and downloaded a copy or bought a cheap-bytes
copy, then you wouldn't have to worry so much.
In any event, I have to wonder why you partitioned your drive in 4
partitions? I guess I prefer one large drive to lots of smaller ones. It's
less wasteful of disk space and easier to manage. Oh well.
> Thanks for your advice--much appreciated.
No problem. I've been there. I've had tons of problems with Linux as well
over the years. I actually started installing Linux about 1994 and it's
come a long way since then.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:05:12 -0800
Brian Rourke wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:03:36 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Sorry for all the flak in here.
> >
> >You thing you can do, depending on where you live, is to check around
> >for a linux users group. If you find one they will help install it for
> >you.
> >
> >Ok! I see it now. I've added up what you have reported for the various
> >partitions.
> >The problem falls in the partition table. You have C:,D:,E:, & F:. For
> >some reason,
> >the distros have problems with these.
> >In my opinion, and most will disagree with this one, and have all your
> >apps backed up, is to blow windows off the hard drive completely.... but
> >before you do make DAMN sure you have made a Win98 boot disk. This
> >diskette is then booted...
> >
> >A. run the ms fdisk.
> >B. remove all partitions.
> >C. start making partitions starting with C: and set the necessary size
> >you need.
> >D. you can make a 4GB partition by not doing anything for linux, just
> >keep this figure in mind so that the HD has that much room left over.
> >E. exit fdisk.
> >F. format /sys c:
> >G. install your win98 in the C: part... windows will now happily use
> >that space.
> >H. Test your win98 installation.
> >I. now boot the linux CD.
> >
> >In our install fests we run into this a lot. Red Hat should install now
> >without any difficulties. The only other snag point has to do with the
> >video card. By rights the ATI board should be recognized by the
> >installation program. Even the new sun workstation uses the ATI chip
> >for video. I have an ATI chip in my IBM and have installed many
> >different linux distros and ATI has worked with them.
> >
> >Now, let the rest of those dig in and pick apart or improve on this
> >installation.
> >Partition magic never worked for me and its not written by linux people
> >that I'm aware of. When MS released Win95 linux would refuse to install
> >saying that there were no usable space to install. Partition magic
> >couldn't create or resize a win95 partition. The problem was discovered
> >that MS put at the very end of hard drive space a few blocks tag
> >"Unmoveable" making the hard drive look 'FULL'. By repartitioning the
> >HD using MS own fdisk and re-installing win95 was the only solution at
> >that time. This particular installation problem appears to one related
> >to the partition table. Once linux is installed correctly you can then
> >use the linux tools to better manage partitions.
>
> This is a very interesting, if drastic, suggestion. How would I
> prevent the start of the drive from being colonized by Windoze once
> again, though? Or is that not the problem?
Once MS dos creates a partition using fdisk, windows won't go out of
that space unless you have another partition to tell it to go to ...
like D:
Once Linux is installed and then when you are in windows, use fdisk to
look at the partition table and you will see it say "Unknown o/s". This
again, windows will leave alone. LILO, the boot manager can
successfully reside in the Master Boot Record known as MBR. Note that
you have to first have windows installed first before Linux, otherwise
the windows installation will remove the references to LILO and Linux
won't boot.
But, seeing that your not in a business situation and you do know how to
install windows, you can use the emergency boot diskette of windows and
just eliminate all the partitions, then recreate just a C: partition
only for the entire hard drive. Mark it bootable. Don't format it.
Then boot up the linux CD. You will find out in a hurry, about 20 - 30
minutes, whether things will install or not. One thing I found in my
installation problems was the on board sound chip. If you have an
onboard sound chip and you hear no sound, goto the web site
http://www.alsa.com. You have to know what kind of sound chip you have
or sound board. There you have to download the correct driver for your
board or chip. Before installing the sound driver you have to unload
all references to any sound modules in the kernel. Then install the
sound driver and then reboot. However, if this linux distro fails to
install, remind RedHat of the Moss-Magnusen Warranty Act... they either
have to fix it, replace it, or refund you.
Its good for 90 days. Its the law!
> Thanks very much for taking the time to write this. I'm glad to hear
> that you're seeing this often, and thus that I'm not losing my
> marbles.
No, you're not losing your marbles. :-) Try installing Solaris 8 x86.
That one never had decent install instructions... matter of fact the
webstart install is sort of broken. But I figured it out... one word at
a time. Some commercial o/ses go in easy and some take a boston lawyer
to figure it out.
>
> That's an evil trick by Microsoft, putting the unmoveable blocks at
> the end of the partition.
>
I really don't know why they did this. I've asked many a MSCE and never
got a straight answer or was given some other reason, but that didn't
jive up right.
I hope this helps. (Now that I think about it, an MSCE told me that you
could only put 4 partitions on one hard drive....?)
> Thanks again,
>
> Brian
>
> The late spring sunshine flooded,
> like a bursted tepid star,
> the pink Boulevard. The people
> beneath crawled like wounded insects
> of cloth.
>
> Wyndham Lewis
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:07:52 -0500
Interconnect wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > But I had to killfile him and I recommend you do too. You
> > > can't/shouldn't argue with someone who's that unstable.
> >
> > The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club.
> >
>
> LOL, This is *exactly* why I will never killfile Aaron Kulkis. (And other
> useful titbits of information I manage to garner)
I aim to please.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:06:46 +1200
You're running Mandrake 7, hence, the limitation still applies.
Matthew Gardiner
Brian Rourke wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:50:24 -0500, "Masha Ku' Inanna"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >> >The install fails right after the language, keyboard and mouse steps,
> >> >when it's time to format the partition. This occurs at slightly
> >> >different points in the Red Hat and Mandrake installation programs.
> >> >The error message is (I'm paraphrasing) that no valid devices were
> >> >found on which to install filesystems. It says I should consult
> >> >hardware information.
> >>
> >> Here's some more of my information:
> >>
> >> Gateway E4200-800 PC
> >> Intel Pentium III Processor and Motherboard
> >> ATI Rage 128GL 32MB AGP Video Card
> >> 128 MB RAM
> >> 30GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA hard drive
> >> Ultra ATA Controller for Windows
> >> Toshiba DVD/CDROM drive (seems to work OK with the installation
> >> program)
> >>
> >> My hard drive is partitioned in the following way:
> >>
> >> Drive C: (primary) 8079 MB (FAT32)
> >> Drive D: (ext) 10234MB (FAT32)
> >> Drive E: (ext) 5112MB (FAT 32)
> >> Drive F: (ext) 5151MB (FAT 32)
> >>
> >> I used the PartitionMagic utility to create a 2GB Linux partition on
> >> C: drive, which is the first drive on the disk.
> >>
> >
> >You might want to try to use PM to create a small partition using the first
> >32MB of the hard drive, and label that as /boot for Linux.
> >
> >I had luck on a 15GB drive setting it up so the following happened:
> >
> >the first 32M of hard drive space was /boot (linux)
> >
> >32M -> 6-GB for c: (windows)
> >
> >6GB -> 10GB for linux: swap, /, /usr, /home, etc..
> >
> >The remaining space was left for Windows.
> >
>
> This looks like good advice, thanks. Right now, I only have the
> PartitionMagic utility that came with Mandrake, so I can't control
> where the different partitions go on the drive. I may buy the
> software to try it, but I'm very wary now of "throwing good money
> after bad."
>
> >I have found that it is generally a lot easier to be able to dedicate an
> >entire HD to Linux/UNIX or whatever, so that you do not encounter
> >innumerable difficulties in hard-drive partitioning.
> >
>
> Another good thought, though beyond my present means.
>
> >I am not sure if the 1024 cylinder limitation is a factor or not anymore in
> >most recent Linux distributions. But it usually is around the 8GB mark on
> >most large capacity hard-drives, depending on their geometry. At least this
> >was true for all the WD and Maxtor IDE drives I've used above 10GB.
> >
>
> According to Mandrake and to the Redhat installation newsgroup, this
> limitation has been overcome. I have no way of knowing if this is
> true or not.
>
> Thanks a lot for your advice.
>
> Brian
>
> The late spring sunshine flooded,
> like a bursted tepid star,
> the pink Boulevard. The people
> beneath crawled like wounded insects
> of cloth.
>
> Wyndham Lewis
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