Linux-Advocacy Digest #129, Volume #33 Tue, 27 Mar 01 04:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (GreyCloud)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:29:48 -0500
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> Lets call you Peter Peterson, just to make old Brian happy in the fact that you
> have a name. I couldn't care less if your name was Fred Nerd, or John Jacob
> Jingleheimer Smitt. The fact that Brian chose a really ancient, prehistoric
> copy of Linux, and didn't even ask at the sales desk/news groups/friends/Linux
> nerd at the local computer store, whether it was the latest version out, is his
> fault. Also, why the fork does he have so many bloody partitions,
> JUST HAVE ONE! (when using Windows) what does he do, take a woman out on a
> date, and takes her back to his apartment to show off how many partitions he
> has? Geeze, I just have two (when installing linux), / is a ReiserFS and a swap
> parition, yes, I probably could be "Mr Special" and have hundreds of partitions
> for virtually every folder, however, I want my life to be easier, hence, I have
> stuck with two partitions.
Actually, my LoseDOS game-playing box has oh gee...
CDEFGHIJ....8 partitions.
I keep the OS seperate from the apps seperate from the data.
Swap, temp and Netscape cache have their own partition.
Highly volatile data has it's own partition.
Why? Because I don't trust Windows.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> "." wrote:
>
> > Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 26 Mar 2001 06:05:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FM) wrote:
> >
> > >>Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>On 26 Mar 2001 02:10:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>>> On 26 Mar 2001 01:01:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>> At least I can console myself, in my ignorance, that I am not the kind
> > >>>>> of shameless usenet coward who hurls insults from behind a mask of
> > >>>>> anonymity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>As ive said dozens of times, you ignorant turd, I do not hide behind a
> > >>>>mask of anonymity. It isnt rocket science to figure out exactly who
> > >>>>I am.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dozens of times to me? I don't think so. Have you been hearing
> > >>>voices in your head again, schizo-boy? Yes, you do hide behind a mask
> > >>>of anonymity in so far as you don't sign your posts.
> > >>
> > >>That you consider "Brian Rourke" less anonymous than "." doesn't
> > >>change the fact that your email address, not your alias, is the
> > >>key to your identification. Practically speaking from my point of
> > >>view, you are just as anonymous as he is, insofar as I don't know
> > >>which Brian Rourke (if any) wrote what you posted.
> >
> > > Well, this is probably getting into areas of semantics and usage that
> > > aren't necessary, but Webster's defines "anonymous" as "having or
> > > giving no name." It doesn't mention email addresses, nor does it say
> > > anything about someone being anonymous if all you know is the name and
> > > not which particular person it designates in a particular instance.
> > > If he signed his SSN, it would still strictly speaking be anonymous
> > > even if I could find out who it was if I cared to try.
> >
> > > It's always possible to use a fake name, I suppose, and it's always
> > > possible to use a fake email address. So in a sense everyone is
> > > anonymous on here, regardless of how he/she posts.
> >
> > > Nevertheless, in the few newsgroups I frequent, it's common to regard
> > > those who use symbols or obvious aliases with a certain amount of
> > > suspicion, particularly when they insult people. As a practical
> > > matter, the convention of distinguishing signed from unsigned messages
> > > hasn't died out yet. It's still a matter of common usage, and I feel
> > > perfectly free in thinking that "." was being cowardly when he
> > > insulted me without having the guts to put his name on it. I'm not
> > > interested enough to find out who the little worm is.
> >
> > Id be happy to sock you in the mouth in real life if thats what it would
> > take to convince you that youre an idiot.
> >
> > -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:29:55 +1200
Well, they have Domino Server, Notes Server, and they have IBM Websphere running
on Linux using wine (that is, IBM Websphere). Even if they released a wine
version of Lotus Smart Suite (in the short term), then in the long term, they port
it properly over to Linux, you would find that more users would move to Linux,
I know one place, Australia Surf Life Saving that use Lotus Smart Suite for their
Office Suite, which would benefit from it being ported to Linux, and knowing one
of the directors there, he is quite keep to cut costs, and is open to new ideas
and concepts. Maybe this could be a new avenue Lotus should go down.
GreyCloud wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > Whats wrong with StarOffice? even though alot of people dish-it, it is the
> > only Office Suite that is one more than one platform, and that, all of them
> > are at the same level of compatibility and features. As for all the
> > complaints, I use StarOffice on a regular basis, and find nothing wrong with
> > it. Compared to Office 2000, I would use StarOffice any day of the week.
> > Atleast there are no macro virus's for StarOffice, security holes, forced
> > registration, it is very stable (unlike Office 2000). NOW, if Lotus released
> > Smart Suite for Linux, I would definately buy it, as I have Lotus Smart Suite
> > loaded on my other b0x (Windows 2000 Pro, Duron 850 w/ 64 MB RAM), it works
> > like a dream. Its rather unfortunate that Lotus is too short sighted, as
> > they would make a killing if it was made available for Linux.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
>
> Aye! I've got Lotus Smart Suite also and came bundled with my IBM. Very
> Good package.
> The one program I really like is the Day Planner. Yes, it would be
> nice... hmmmmm....
> I wonder, since IBM is supporting Linux and pretty much supports Lotus
> and the $2billion investments, do you suppose that that is happening???
>
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > > Tim Hanson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am an enthusiastic SuSE user, although I make no money off SuSE. Add
> > > > salt to taste.
> > > >
> > > > peter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard great things about the new Suse distro,
> > > >
> > > > That is correct. It is quite an advance and will be hard to compete
> > > > against, especially for getting new users to try Linux. For me, as a
> > > > user since 5.1, it is just an upgrade, although this time I bought a DVD
> > > > player so the update went much faster. The books alone are worth the
> > > > price.
> > > >
> > > > > but I was told by
> > > > > someone that I should use the same distro that I use at work.
> > > >
> > > > There will be some differences and some similarities. Linus Torvalds
> > > > has said he uses Red Hat at work (Transmeta) and SuSE at home. I don't
> > > > know if that's still true or not.
> > > >
> > > > Generally, there will be a slight but not overpowering learning curve.
> > > > Both are rpm-type systems. SuSE uses one big /etc/rc.config file. SuSE
> > > > has gotten more KDE-centric over the last year, although GNOME is
> > > > up-to-date and available on the disk. For myself, old dog that I am, I
> > > > still use FVWM2, although I like and use a lot of the GNOME
> > > > applications.
> > > >
> > > > I have a copy of Debian on one of my computers, which was a little more
> > > > difficult.
> > > >
> > > > > At work
> > > > > we use Red Hat, at home I just setup Mandrake 7.1, but everyone says
> > > > > the new Suse distro is good and also Mandrake 7.2 is good.
> > > >
> > > > I think both are iterations of the 2.4 kernel.
> > > >
> > > > SuSE's advantage is raw bang for the buck and lately add ease of
> > > > installation for newbies. The Professional Edition has seven packed CDs
> > > > or one DVD (all supplied). Through YaST you can add and subtract
> > > > packages without worrying about dependencies and conflicts. For me that
> > > > has meant the ability to just leave the DVD in the drive permanently and
> > > > install things when needed. For someone with a modem connection, all
> > > > those packages locally will save a _lot_ of download time.
> > > >
> > > > > What are the differences of these distros and versions ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a different file structure or something different in each
> > > > > distro that will mess up my learning curve ?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know about the other distros, but with SuSE you can get a
> > > > running system going now and worry about the learning curve later.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the new software in mandrake 7.2 (or Suse) all that ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is faster, I've got a few older machine I would like to install
> > > > > Linux on (P166/32 megs, etc) ?
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it matters that much. All three of these use mostly the
> > > > same stuff. I think Star Office is a lost cause. :-)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Show respect for age. Drink good Scotch for a change.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Good scotch,... yes.
> > >
> > > I used to have Star Office 5.1 installed, but didn't like it.
> > > Sun has since taken over Star Office and it is now 5.2. I don't have it
> > > but I hear its a big improvement. And Sun offers it either as a free
> > > download or buy the CD. Suns' people are now in progress of
> > > implementing a better interface for it as i've been told. But I can't
> > > give any usability reports on it. Maybe someone else who has 5.2 can
> > > relate?
>
> --
> V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:32:25 -0500
Brian Rourke wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:46:45 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Go out, buy yourself another disk drive, and put it into your system
> >along side your current one.
> >
> >There, now you have disk space, and you don't have to screw with
> >your existing LoseDOS stuff.
> >
> >Total cost: about $100.
>
> Thanks very much for this sound advice. I'm seriously considering
> doing this if I decide to stick with it.
Later, you should migrate some of your Windows partitions over to the
Linux disk, and some of your Linux partitions over to the windows disk
That way, no matter which OS you are using, your data will be spread
split between two disks, rather than just one.
This improves system performance IMMENSELY.
>
> Brian
>
> The late spring sunshine flooded,
> like a bursted tepid star,
> the pink Boulevard. The people
> beneath crawled like wounded insects
> of cloth.
>
> Wyndham Lewis
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:31:09 -0800
David Brown wrote:
>
> There are three points that people here seem to have missed while calling
> each other names instead of looking at the facts. First, NT can handle
> floppies sensibly - you can use the machine while it is accessing a floppy.
> Win9x still uses DOS to access floppies, and thus stops almost entirely.
> Second, NT can multi-task reasonably well, while Win9x is based on a
> task-switching OS with added hacks - it is never any good at doing several
> things at once. Third, NT has a much better threaded version of explorer -
> long operations (like formating, or big copies) are always done in a
> seperate thread, while Win9x has basically a single-threaded explorer - it
> *always* stops while waiting for a long operation (you need to start a new
> copy of explorer to keep on working).
>
> In short, Chad is probaby talking about NT, the others are talking about
> Win9x. And MS claim Linux is fragmented !!
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > > losedos can not format a disk and do something else at the same
> time.
> >> > > > Formatting a floppy under Linux uses less than %2 cpu cycles and
> >> > > > everything else is not affected. Simple comparison and losedos
> fails. The
> >> > > > only way to achieve any uptime with losedos is disconnect it from
> the
> >> > > > network and don't run anything on it. Not even a screen saver.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tell you what. I'll bet you that you are wrong. I bet I can format a
> disk
> >> > > using "less than %2 cpu cycles and everything else is not affected"
> under
> >> > > Windows.
> >> > >
> >> > > Simple bet.
> >> > >
> >> > > Wanna take it?
> >> > >
> >> > > I say you are wrong and I can prove it. Do you have the balls to back
> up
> >> > > your lie?
> >> >
> >> > Go for it. Format away. I fail to see why the size of my testicles are
> >> > relevant to whether losedos can format floppy disks and do something
> else
> >> > at the same time. Does running losedos reliably require larger
> testicles?
> >> >
> >> > I don't lie, I simply report my observations.
> >>
> >> Well, then you're lying. Which version of Windows are you referring to.
> >> I can post screen shots of format.com taking exactly 0% of my CPU cycles.
> >>
> >> > Any time I format a floppy
> >> > under losedos, I must wait until it is finished before attempting
> anything
> >> > else. I thought this was common knowledge.
> >>
> >> You are lying, plain and simple.
> >>
> >> I am formatting a floppy as I write you this post.
> >> I'm looking at taskmgr and format.com is taking 0% CPU.
> >>
> >Same screen shots on my NT machine. However, if I try to do anything
> >else, such as edit a Word document, performance sucks. Response runs
> >10-15 keystrokes behind until the format stops. Format may not be using
> >many CPU cycles but it doesn't let anyone else have anything.
> >> -c
> >
Doesn't really matter. NT was designed by Dave Cutler in the beginning.
He was also the architect of VMS in the 70's. I respect Daves' ability
to design and build O/Ses. However, no matter how you slice it, in
order to format a floppy disk you need to consume CPU cycles. The
software that reports the CPU useage may in fact be buggy or not
reporting it accurately enough. An MSCE told me that you can't trust
NTs' CPU monitor program and to download a free one from another site.
Now if the utility could report 0.0001% CPU useage for that format
process then at least you'd know its impact on the system. Giving a 0%
useage report is meaningless, knowing that a format is in progress.
> >--
> >Russ Lyttle
> >"World Domination through Penguin Power"
> >The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> ><http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:37:17 -0500
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Barry Manilow wrote:
> > >
> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry Manilow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > But I was researching for
> > > > something else, and so far I may be onto something....
> > > > Question: Are there any governments in the history of this world that
> > > > was a pre-cursor to communism?
> > > >
> > > > I haven't found any. So I wonder where Marx got the idea??
> > >
> > > Well, there was the Paris Commune in the early 1800's. Marx and
> > > Engels wrote about it. If you have read every word he had written, I
> > > think you would have come across it. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Just read his works... it sticks out like a sore thumb. He's taken the
> > > > evilness of the corporation over the edge to the extremes of oppression
> > > > of the masses.
> > >
> > > Back in the 1800's, capitalism was little more than sheer oppression,
> > > frankly.
> >
> > This shows how thoroughly you've been indoctrinated by the left-wing.
> >
> > On the contary. The peasants WILLINGLY left their meager subsistance-farming
> > lives behind to work for the MUCH IMPROVED working conditions in the
> > factories.
> >
> > And child labor was common because PARENTS INSISTED ON IT!!!!
> >
> > >
> > > He's leaned so far left that he's wrong.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, well, his critique of capitalism is considered to be right on,
> > > and also his general analysis of how the capitalist system works.
> > > Marx is often required reading in Econ courses for these reasons.
> > > Keep in mind that Marx also praised capitalism. He just thought the
> > > bad outweighed the good. It is still beyond me how you feel a couple
> > > of wealthy men would be resentful of the rich. That makes no sense at
> > > all.
> > > >
> > > > > IMO communism is hive thinking.
> > > >
> > > > I prefer individual thinking... which linux users do,
> > >
> > > Interesting point but in a lot of ways the Linux movement is a
> > > socialist movement. It is all about collectivism vs. individualism
> > > and, in a sense, shining on the profit motive. The capitalists have
> > > always said that profits are necessary to motivate humans and that
> > > collectivism can never produce good products since the necessary
> > > selfishness and self-interest are not there. Interesting that the
> > > Linux crowd has managed to produce a better product than a lot of
> > > self-interested, individualistic capitalists.
> > >
> > > and most
> > > > americans.
> > >
> > > I am not so sure about that. Try taking a real unpopular opinion in
> > > America and watch how you get treated. You will be lucky if you still
> > > have a good job.
> > >
> > > > My definition of hive thinking is akin to an ants nest.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, I suppose by that definition most humans are hive thinkers.
> > > Have you lived long enuf to notice that most folks prefer to go along
> > > with the crowd?
> > > --
> > > Bob
> > > Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
> > > today!
> > > Why do you think you are being flamed?
> > > [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
> > > [ ] You started an off-topic thread
> > > [ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
> > > [ ] People don't like your tone of voice
> > > [ ] Other (describe)
> > > [ ] None of the above
> >
> > --
>
> Remember in the Army days when they shown the counter-insurgency films
> dealing with communist insurgents? It was quite direct. We shot them.
>
That was before I enlisted....but yes, that *I* the proper course
of actions for those who support dictators.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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