Linux-Advocacy Digest #138, Volume #33 Tue, 27 Mar 01 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux dying (Roy Culley)
Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why can't we just all be friends? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Jeff")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Jeff")
Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:14:53 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> I concur with you about the PC sales. Out there now, and you probably
> already know this, is the Sun Blade 100. A 64-bit, $950, Sparc IIe
> processor. Does everything at this price except MS windows. And for an
> extra $400 one can get a plug-in card if they really need MS windows.
> This one is really going to put a crimp in intels' and AMDs new 64-bit
> pricings.
I haven't got my hands on a Sun Blade 100 yet but I don't think there is
anyway it is going to replace PC's on the desktop. There just isn't the
support for Sparc Linux as there is for Intel boxes. Just go to rpmfond,
ximian, netscape and see what support there is for Sparc. I run redhat
on my ultra-5 at work with gnome/sawfish. The only way to get recent updates
is to comile it myself. Have you ever tried compiling sawfish? What about
thingd like gnucash, evolution, etc? Things are even worse if you run
Solaris. You have to compile most things yourself and sorting out dependancies
can be a nightmare. I would rather have a PC on my desk at work running
Linux than any Sun workstation.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger!
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:55:52 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> As if anyone really cares:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/
>
> This URL appears at the bottom of a Sony VAIO
> ad. I wonder why this URL is there... has
> Sony been accused of chicanery with Illegal
> Copies of Windows?
>
> Make sure your COA is genuine!
For Microsoft, *THIS* would be a more accurate URL name:
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howto
Seeing that that's their primary software development technique.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger!
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:59:10 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> As if anyone really cares:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/
>
> This URL appears at the bottom of a Sony VAIO
> ad. I wonder why this URL is there... has
> Sony been accused of chicanery with Illegal
> Copies of Windows?
>
> Make sure your COA is genuine!
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/how/default.asp
>
> That way, only the best counterfeiters will be
> able to counterfeit Microsoft software.
>
> Report software piracy. If you come across a
> product you think may be illegal, we'd
> like to know about it. Send e-mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your confidentiality is
> assured.
>
> Man, if I were an exec at the typical business,
> I'd be afraid to report ANYTHING to Microsoft.
>
> I'm tempted to be utterly juvenile, and send a note
> to the e-mail above stammering that somehow Linux
> got onto my Windows box. What am I to do????
>
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Piracy????
Somebody put Linux on my computer, and I didn't pay for it.
Is that bad?
> Chris
>
> --
> [ Do Not Make Illegal Copies of This Message ]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why can't we just all be friends?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:00:50 -0500
"Brandur K. Jacobsen" wrote:
>
> "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless!
> Everything is meaningless."
> I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them
> are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
> Ecclesiastes chapter 1
>
> So what if it's Windows or Linux or whatever?
>
do you *LIKE* losing all your work when your LoseDOS box crashes....*AGAIN*
> _brandur_
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: 27 Mar 2001 20:02:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:39:00 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:13:44 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >So, you're saying that the same words have less veracity if spoken
>> >by a different person.
>>
>> Unless the two persons manage to speak the same words about the same thing
>> meaning the same, iand you have reasons to believe them to the same degree,
>> of course the veracity is different!
>
>So, the truth of such a simple statement such as
Check your grammar a bit.
>"[X money] saved is [X money] earned" is ENTIRELY dependant upon who
>speaks it.
Repeating myself, it depends on who says it, what he is talking about, what
it means when he says it, and the reasons to believe it you have.
>> "I believe in love and world unity" said by Mahatma Ghandi has more
>> veracity than "I believe in love and world unity" said by Pol Pot.
>
>That is am evaluation about ONESELF, which of course, varies in truthfulness
>from speaker to speaker....which has NOTHING to do with a syllogism
>such as "A penny saved is a penny earned."
What on earth are they teaching at college these days???
That's NOT a syllogism!!!!!
Perhaps you mean it's a tautology?
And anyway: that phrase's correctness depends among other things,
on what you are applying it to. In this particular case you are applying
it to such things as freedom of expression, religion and marxism.
I humbly say that it makes more sense when applied to actual money,
as Ben intended it originally.
>Hope that helps.
Not much!
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:02:53 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:35:35 GMT, Chad Everett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Please. Start another thread on this topic. I have been through
> >this "before...No!...after!" argument before.
>
> I apologize for getting it started. I just thought it was amusing that
> he would accuse you of copyright infringement and then quote back the
> whole thing.
>
> >Microsoft's HailStorm Initiative
> >Raises Security, Privacy Questions
>
> The most interesting thing about this article to me was that the WSJ
> published it. They aren't exactly bleeding-heart liberals, and even
> they see problems with it.
>
> I think this means that what they are doing is obvious enough that few
> are going to sign up for it. One can always hope anyway.
>
> > Right now, "a lot of this personal information that you have is probably
> > on your PC hard drive or maybe on your Palm Pilot -- and [Microsoft]
> > wants to sort of encourage people to put it in a central location,"
>
> > "This is going to sort of create an incentive to break in there."
>
> Sort of create an incentive? I'd say that was putting it mildly. And
> users are quite aware of Microsoft's track record.
>
> > To the anti-Microsoft lobbying group ProComp, short for the Project to
> > Promote Competition and Innovation, that's akin to Microsoft turning
> > "the Internet into a Microsoft toll road,"
>
> And that is the goal of the whole .NET thing, isn't it? It is not about
> WORA, it is not about "making the OS irrelevant", indeed it is not about
> providing value to consumers at all. It is about what Microsoft needs,
> not what consumers need. It is about pay per use, intellectual property
> protection, and integrating MS into vital systems so that they can get a
> cut of every transation. This is Gates' longtime dream.
In 1994, Gates told an interviewer that his ultimate goal is to collect
a surcharge for EVERY electronic banking transaction on the face of the
entire planet.
Stopped, he must be.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:03:59 GMT
Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have reached this conclusion based upon my personal experience only.
> In my opinion, any operating system that will NOT INSTALL is by
> definition crap. A good PC operating system should be easily
> installable by a moderately informed layperson on any common
Hehe. This reminds me of the first time I installed Win95. It
installed ok but it fried my video card :-)
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From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:06:33 GMT
So Linux is a piece of crap because you're too dumb to figure out how
to install it?
Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First, a disclaimer. I am not a programmer or an IT professional of
> any kind. I am just an amateur, but a fairly competent user. I have
> never had much trouble getting Windows and Windows programs to do what
> I want them to do (and I *hate* Windows). It may be that Linux is
> fine for experts and professionals, in which case my only mistake is
> to have ever bothered. But, if so, why are Linux companies trying to
> market their product to non-experts? My hunch is that Linux is just a
> bad product and the companies involved in trying to market this snake
> oil are second-raters, cultists and imbeciles. One clownish outfit,
> whose name begins with "M," is also highly dishonest, having both lied
> to me on an important matter and failed to provide any promised
> support.
> I have reached this conclusion based upon my personal experience only.
> In my opinion, any operating system that will NOT INSTALL is by
> definition crap. A good PC operating system should be easily
> installable by a moderately informed layperson on any common
> equipment. Though it is a terrible OS, Windows can be installed in
> less than an hour, which means that it beats Linux hands down right
> there.
> I have tried to install three different Linux distributions on my PC,
> and each attempt has failed in exactly the same way. Though my hard
> drive is partitioned in exactly the way the manuals instruct, the
> installation software always fails to detect my hard drive and
> reboots. Now, I do not own any obscure hardware. My computer a
> recent Gateway E-4200. Of course, Gateway is one of the most common
> brands out there. In my opinion anyone marketing a piece of software
> that cannot run with 100% compatibility on common equipment is at
> least an idiot, at worst a crook.
> The first time this failure happened it may have been my fault, as the
> developers may not have had time to make their distributions
> compatible with my newish computer. But I have waited for new
> versions of popular distributions, again with no success. These
> cretins aren't even trying to make their product work with common
> hardware types. Why not test? It only takes a minute to see that the
> product DOES NOT WORK. Why is it that even the awful Microsoft stuff
> never has this problem?
> If your product won't install with great ease on common equipment,
> then it sucks. If someone tried to market some great new tire that
> didn't work on GM, Nissan or Ford cars, that person would immediately
> be dismissed as a lunatic.
> I am also struck by how difficult it is to get even basic information
> about hardware compatibility on these companies' websites. My hard
> drive and controller are not even mentioned, though they are very
> common models. How hard is it to say, "We don't support these."?
> Again, incompetence and arrogance are the rule with these Linux
> developers, IMO. Even worse, there's nothing mentioned in the Red Hat
> or Mandrake FAQs about this very simple problem. I know from browsing
> the USENET archives that I'm not the only person to have this problem.
> Why not try to help people, even if only to say "We can't help you.
> Stick with your old OS until we can."? The reason is obvious: they
> don't want to admit their product has such a basic, fundamental flaw.
> When I first decided to give Linux a try, it was with great
> enthusiasm. I have never liked Windows, and have often wanted a more
> stable and flexible alternative. But I have been forced to conclude,
> after many hours of frustrating and fruitless labor over several
> months, that Linux is not it and never will be. For those of you out
> there who are, like me, amateur computer users, my advice is to avoid
> Linux like the plague. This is just my opinion, but it is based on
> lots of experience that, believe me, you don't want to repeat.
> In short, Linux will be remembered before too long as just another
> bump on Microsoft's road to industry domination. And its failure will
> be in part the fault of inept companies out to make a fast buck.
> Brian
> Tomorrow was Monday. Monday, the beginning of
> another school-week! Another shameful, barren
> school-week, more routine and mechanical activity.
> Was not the adventure of death preferable?
> D.H. Lawrence
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:07:29 -0500
Andy Walker wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
> <98b39h$8r9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >>We're going to hit a wall on IC miniaturization pretty soon...and it has
> >>NOTHING to do with power dissipation. Basically, it's getting to the
> >>physical limit with regard to trace size.
> >
> >I can recall exactly the same being said ten years ago. *Exactly* the same.
> >
Are you saying that atoms are getting smaller?
10 years ago, conductive paths were 1000 atoms across.
Now, they are about 100 atoms across.
That means we have at best, 2 orders of magnitude of miniaturization left.
1-atom-width conductors *might* be possible, at great expense, and
high risk of failure (to various reasons: shock, thermal expansion,
atomic migration, etc.)
1/4-atom-width conducturs is silly to even contemplate.
> >Bernie
> >--
> >The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
> >Franklin D. Roosevelt
> >US president 1933-45
> >Inaugural address, 4 March 1953
>
> The barrier we are about to hit now is quantum effects, unless you manage to
> defy the laws of physics it may be a slightly more difficult problem to
> beat!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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