Linux-Advocacy Digest #138, Volume #34 Wed, 2 May 01 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Bought out by MS geeks... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Bought out by MS geeks... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: "Portability is for Canoes" (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft and McCartheism (Chad Everett)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why celebok Is no threat to mr. frufru's domination of aaron's bum (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? (Dan Howard)
Re: "Portability is for Canoes" ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux has one chance left......... ("pookoopookoo")
Re: Linux has one chance left......... ("pookoopookoo")
Re: Linux has one chance left......... ("pookoopookoo")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:34:42 GMT
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 1 May 2001
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>While Win2k was very slow out of the starting gate, support and
>>interest in this OS has been building steadily for the past year or so
>
>Hmmm --- I could have sworn that a year ago, W2k was reported to have
>experienced a "rapid uptake" or something to the same effect :)
Of course. It was selling like gangbusters. And before that, Win98 was
stable and high performance. Way back when, I bet flathead was crowing
about how DOS was technically superior to any alternative.
>>In the DAW world the WDM drivers have reduced the Sound Card latency
>>to 2ms or less which allows real time input monitoring including
>>effects etc.
>
>>Linux has NOTHING in this world.
>
>What's the latency of an mmap()ped sound buffer, really? A lot less than
>2ms, that much is sure...
What the hell does all that stuff mean?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:34:43 GMT
Said Craig Kelley in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 01 May 2001 09:34:19
-0600;
>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>> > While Win2k was very slow out of the starting gate, support and
>> > interest in this OS has been building steadily for the past year or so
>> > and in anticipation of XP people are now taking a second look at
>> > Win2k.
>>
>> Microsoft are rumoured to be sneaking their product activation key onto
>> Windows 2000 as well as XP. That's enough to make me reconsider Windows
>> 2000 (or any updates!).
>
>Are you serious? Do you have a URL for that?
>
>> > In fact in the area of multimedia, Linux has absolutely ZERO to offer.
>>
>> It would seem that trying to play MPG files on Linux leaves a lot to be
>> desired.
>
>MPEG video works fine if you have a processor that can keep up with
>it. Both my Athlon 700 and 1gz machines can do full screen with
>plaympeg just fine.
Wow. I'd bet Windows could *never* manage to play full screen "just
fine", regardless of how good the processor or video card are, on most
PCs.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:34:44 GMT
Said Terry Porter in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 01 May 2001 23:54:28 GMT;
>On Tue, 1 May 2001 08:38:56 +0100,
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>>
>>> In the DAW world the WDM drivers have reduced the Sound Card latency
>>> to 2ms or less which allows real time input monitoring including
>>> effects etc.
>Sadly Windows is NOT a real time OS.
>
>Naturally Linux has some realtime options if you need them.
>
>> Creative are considering a 'direct interface' bypassing the DirectSound
>> style interface to audio drivers reducing the latency even further.
>
>Bypassing the Windows subsystem, this should be interesting.
Its the only way to get any descent performance out of the thing. But
don't forget what happened to Intel's DSP initiative.
>>> In fact in the area of multimedia, Linux has absolutely ZERO to offer.
>>
>> It would seem that trying to play MPG files on Linux leaves a lot to be
>> desired.
>
>I've been running some mpeg's lately, certainly the sound and video are not
>well syncronised on this Linux box.
That sucks.
Personally, I think computers make lousy video players, and I'm appalled
at the low quality of the video on DVDs, even on consoles and high-end
televisions. Of course, high-end televisions make it particularly
evident.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bought out by MS geeks...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:34:45 GMT
Quit sniping, troll.
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 1 May 2001
19:28:39 -0500;
>"kool breeze" <kool;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Guys...my company has been bought out by a company dedicated to MS.
>
>I guess they sacrifice sheep on alters too.
>
>> My Linux port of our SCO UNIX back-end is dead now.
>
>Considering that your company was bought out in the first place, it must not
>have been doing too well in it's existing market sector.
>
>Maybe they saw this.
>
>> My poor new company is trying to market the new NT system as the "new"
>> system.
>
>It's not new?
>
>> They are actually yanking people out of support and putting them in
>> sales (more MS dedication).
>
>What? Sales people that are technically knowledgeable? *gasp* what a
>horror. Oh, the humanity!
>
>> The old system has been supported by 4 people for 150 customers (1
>> UNIX Server and 1 backup - powered off for spare parts). The new
>> system requires 6 NT servers + a PDC + DNS + DHCP + BDC .
>
>You honestly believe that NT is incapable of acting as both a DC, DNS, and
>DHCP server? This sounds more like they're distributing for large scale
>operations and/or redundancy.
>
>> I have created client software (MFC/Win32) to front our UNIX backend.
>
>I just *LOVE* Windows software written by Unix programmers (NOT).
>
>> The new system requires 1 support person per 20 clients + 1 local NT
>> "expert".
>
>Sounds more like marketing to me. But weren't you just saying they were
>reducing support to put people in sales? Which is it?
>
>> Gosh, I REALY REALLY REALLY wish I was flamebait....but I am not
>> kidding one bit.
>
>I can see that, which is sad in your case.
>
>> I am a right-wing bastard. I hate the *reality* of
>> socialism/communism. I love Linux.
>
>You are the king of contradictions, aren't you? What is Linux, but a huge
>socialist community?
>
>> I swear to you all, I am not lying. I am majorly in the dog house
>> now, being from the "old" system.
>
>Perhaps you might consider becoming more flexible, rather than dead-ending
>yourself with a single skillset.
>
>> I have tried to support linux, but I have been ROYALLY screwed by
>> doing so.
>
>And not very good at office politics either.
>
>> I hope you guys win the war. I am 35 and cannot fight the marketing
>> guys.
>
>Nor should you. They run the company. You're being insubordinate. Either
>get a new job, or cope. But don't try to lead a revolution.
>
>
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bought out by MS geeks...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:34:46 GMT
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 2 May 2001
[...]
>But regardless, that wasn't what I meant. I meant that most Unix
>programmers that write Windows code, tend to do so with a Unix mindset, [...]
Either most do, or all tend to, Erik. Your abstraction error is
showing.
[...]
>Indeed, it might be said that most Unix programmers will need to have
>windows experience within a few years, since some level of interaction will
>probably be necessary.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! Sounds like a quote that could have come from 1992.
"Interaction" with Windows is the problem, you see. Microsoft pretends
to support it, but they're a monopolist, so...
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Portability is for Canoes"
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:34:47 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 2 May 2001 16:40:08
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> However, to take an application which has been developed for
>> a single OS (e.g. Windoze [I use Windoze to cover all versions
>> of that product]), and port it, is hideously difficult, because
>> the authors generally use whatever calls they feel like. These
>> calls are provided by the OS (one level of difficulty in portage),
>> or by the compiler (another level of difficulty).
>
>Correct, you are often have to make a choice between portable, and fast.
>Being unportable means that you can take advantages of what your enviroments
>gives you, being portable doesn't, and sometimes it can be a pain.
You missed his point; it isn't a matter of priorities, it is a matter of
competence.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:36:27 +1200
>>Well, a few posts back some one commented on the issue at hand then Jackie
>>replied saying that that person wrote like a homosexual, and the debate
>>went from there.
>>
>>Matthew Gardiner
>
> Jackie knows all about writing like a homosexual. He gives lessons.
>
I assumed Jackie was female.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 03 May 2001 02:38:12 GMT
On Thu, 03 May 2001 02:10:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03 May 2001 01:39:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Those who appreciate 'innovation' most probably, because there will also
>>be about 5000 new or upgraded Linux apps over that 6month period.
>>(based on 30 posted apps a day at www.freshmeat.net)
>
> You mean 30 code fragments a day. I would hardly call half the crap on
> Freshmeat programs.
For a self confessed non coder, you seem suprisingly mis informed
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish">
>
>>And for the 3 new compilers, we will probably have 3 new programming
>>languages. Now thats progress.
>
>
> Hey maybe SLRN will finally reach v 1.0.
What's the rush, slrn has been totally stable for me, since 1997?
Linux isn't interested in BIG numbers, only stability and reliability.
Flattyhas already 'forgotten' how MS jumped whole version numbers on WORD
because they had fallen behind Word Perfect, in the 'version number' game.
How short and exclusive the memory of the average Wintroll is.
>
> Flatfish
>
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:46:51 +1200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And your posts are growing more and more obtuse by the day.
>
> Do you ever actually say anything with all of those words you type in
> or are they randomly generated by some LinoCrap babble program?
>
> Flatfish
>
Do you have ANY IT experience?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 03 May 2001 02:46:34 GMT
On Thu, 03 May 2001 02:12:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And your posts are growing more and more obtuse by the day.
Look who's talking, an anynomous Wintrollwho has used all of these names:-
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish">
Who hides his identity for fear of discovery, and who's news program
cant even allow him to follow usenet conventions,ie your reply *under*
the post your replying too.
> Flatfish
>
>
> On Wed, 02 May 2001 22:37:48 GMT, T. Max Devlin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
<snip of sound comments by Max>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft and McCartheism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2 May 2001 21:19:38 -0500
On Thu, 03 May 2001 02:02:52 GMT, Zippy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>too bad nothing on "the register" is ever documented or backed up by
>substantial references of any kind.
They provide plenty of references, you just don't like to see the
truth.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.support.fat-acceptance
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:56:27 +1200
>> Well, a few posts back some one commented on the issue at hand then
>> Jackie replied saying that that person wrote like a homosexual, and the
>> debate went from there.
>
> so you're gay right?
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
yes I am rather happy.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.support.fat-acceptance
Subject: Re: Why celebok Is no threat to mr. frufru's domination of aaron's bum
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:57:31 +1200
>> > You may call me Mr. Wes Tralia, Mr. Tralia, or simply Wes.
>>
>> Just as a guess, are you from Western Australia?
>
> gay capital of the world.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
US, biggot capital of the world.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Dan Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:58:32 -0500
Hi Andy,
Andy Jeffries wrote:
>
> When I wrote an article about this
> http://www.ratrobot.com/ms/ms.htm
Could you please create page that isn't so awful to look at? Maybe you
have some points. I don't know - my eyes couln't take it.
> Andy Jeffries
> Lead-developer of Scramdisk for Linux
> Developer of original Scramdisk Delphi Component
That's nice. Your momma must be proud of you. Maybe take a "Web Page
Design 101" course and stop wasting your time on that lame Pascal
language. Only goits program in it.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Portability is for Canoes"
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:44:35 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9cp41a$ku7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > However, to take an application which has been developed for
> > a single OS (e.g. Windoze [I use Windoze to cover all versions
> > of that product]), and port it, is hideously difficult, because
> > the authors generally use whatever calls they feel like. These
> > calls are provided by the OS (one level of difficulty in portage),
> > or by the compiler (another level of difficulty).
>
> Correct, you are often have to make a choice between portable, and fast.
> Being unportable means that you can take advantages of what your enviroments
> gives you, being portable doesn't, and sometimes it can be a pain.
Or you can have Java which gives you neither portability nor speed!
j/k
-c
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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:48:15 -0400
> Don't mind yttrx, Freddy. We're all on a bit of a hair-trigger around
> here, and many of the Linux advocates are developers, not users, so they
> don't have much patience for those who would like to see more
> Linux-driven consumer PCs. If its got compilers, it's complete, as far
> as they're concerned, because for them it is.
>
> This is why market capitalization is so important, even for a "free"
> operating system. We'll go find someone who wants to make some honest
> profit off of us, once the monopoly is remedied.
He can't do too much damage, it's an advocacy group man, I'm supposed to get
at least a little bit roasted. Otherwise it wouldn't be any fun =)
Besides, I'm wearing DuPont(tm) Brand Edible Asbestos underwear =)
What monopoly? =)
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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:52:36 -0400
> I'm not an expert, but if you're talking professional stuff, I think
> FrameMaker would be a good start. You want to get yourself a graphics
> workstation, not a PC. Of course, if you're comfortable with the rather
> rough and ugly output you get from a Windows box, that might be a
> different thing. As for the service bureau, it doesn't matter to them
> what OS you use. If they are professional, they'll appreciate
> postscript output; if not, they can use pdf.
Oftenb they can't use PDF, at least not around here. BTW, output from a
windows box is fine, I've done it tons of times. Output quality's not really
an issue. The issue is actually compatibility of color settings, fonts,
color spaces etc. Not actually what you use to create the things.
> Audio professionals use professional systems. The low end are all
> Windows, of course, because of the lawbreaking my Microsoft to prevent
> any other options. They can't even touch the high-end, of course, so
> that's all Unix or some specialty OS.
Actually, high end audio uses hardware mixing boards, all driven and
coordinated with a Mac or PC at the center of the whole show. You can get
away with fairly old computers doing this too, I know guys that are still
mixing music with their little performas plugged into the high-end hardware.
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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:44:32 -0400
> http://www.urich.edu/~jolt/v1i1/liberman.html#fn43
Wow, this is way too dense, could you just gimme the gist of it?
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