Linux-Advocacy Digest #143, Volume #33 Tue, 27 Mar 01 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Terry Porter)
Re: Communism (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Chad Myers")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Chad Myers")
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ("Jan Johanson")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux dying ("Interconnect")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Terry Porter)
Re: OSX Links - (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Terry Porter)
Re: Distro Bigotry... (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Brian Rourke)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Mar 2001 01:10:53 GMT
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:35:38 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Of course, all software worth having costs money. Only broken lawn
>chairs and 8-tracks are given away for free.
In the Free Software world, the above statement is definitely false.
Try www.geda.org and run the free Linux electronic design software there, then
tell me how much better the comercial offerings (costing around $5k) are?
The free software available *only* for Linux, was the reason I looked at it in
1997, the Linux OS itself was indeed a pleasant supprise :)
With Linux, I have all the document processing (hate wp's), internet apps,
electronic design, coding design, mechanical drafting and system control
that I always wanted.
Terry
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:19:39 +1200
Point taken, however, Russia could never have been called a Communist
country as it never was (by the definition of "pure communism"), in theory,
it should have worked, however, in practice it didn't as it failed to take
into account human nature. Even if we were to go a more communist society,
most people would share their wealth and productive output with everyone,
however, there will be people who don't do a thing and expect their share,
even though they did no work, hence the reason there is money, as an
incentive to get a job and work (and in theory, the Unemployment Benefit is
meant to be a safety net, not a hammock).
Yes, I have read the Communist Manifesto, and the progress was going to be
as follows (by definition of Karl Marx)
Feudalism ----> Capitalism ----> Socialism ----> Communism
Those were the steps that were taken in the transition from Capitalism to
Communism. During the 1920's when Russia was being rebuilt after the
First World War, Lenin introduced, what would be called the equivalent of
mixed market economics. He insisted that all major industry (electricity,
steel, Iron) to be owned my the state, whilst small, private enterprise was
allowed to flourish, thus, they had actually struck a balance between
Socialism and Capitalism, aka, Capitalism with a heart. However, Stalin
forked it up by nationalising everything via force (and as a result output
declined rapidly). His agricultural reforms were a nightmare, and when
questioned why? he blamed the Kulaks (well to do peasants) who would save
grain so that they could sell it on the free market instead of selling it
to the state at a lower price than the market price.
Matthew Gardiner
cHip wrote:
> Being a guy who has researched this a lot I'd like to comment on a few
> things.
>
> First of all, anyone who mentions Russian Communism, Chinese Communism,
> North Korean Communism, etc. as communism---sorry but you're wrong.
> Those are NOT communism, they are totalitarian governments. Basically
> they're dictaror governments (layman term, really authoritarian). Anyone
> who critisizes communism for anything there just doesn't get it.
>
> Yeah Stalin rounded up farmer who resisted him and killed them. If you
> think that was communism, go look up the definition. Thats a cruel
> authoritarian goverment. Same with China, but you could only call that a
> dispersed authoritarian (uncertain, but I'm quite sure its a 'council'
> of rulers), still you resist the Chinese government and your in jail for
> life--or dead.
>
> For those of you who are now wondering what communism is:
>
> Communism is based on the ideal of a commune. What this means is that
> there is no money, (note: were talking 'pure' communism now, not one of
> its offspring like socialism), no wars, no different social status, etc.
> How? Lets try to put it this way (a little old fashioned but it gets the
> point accross) the baker makes his food but he doesn't sell it: he
> distributes it evenly throughout the community. How does he live? Well
> everyone else does the same exact thing, so everyone gets an equal
> amount of everything. Its very ideal where everyone is equal and well
> off, doing something they like to do, and helping out the community with
> jobs no one likes (trash collection, sewage treatment to name a few).
> Yes everything works on honor system (one minute..) but if it worked we
> would never have problems like poverty, overly-wealthy, etc.
>
> Now on to why it doesn't work. I should note that I have very strict
> hobbesian beliefs (dont know what that is? look up Thomas Hobbes) The
> reason it doesn't work is that human nature prohibits it. Some people
> could not stand being at the same level as the rest, some would try to
> revolt and take leadership (there is none in communism). Many would try
> to do this and guess what would happen? Feudal Wars all over again.
>
> Now I'm tired of writing, but I think I corrected a few people.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:21:09 GMT
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:58:22 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >MS also extended Java for java developers who ONLY wanted to
> >develop on the Windows platform. MS didn't force anyone to
> >do anything. They just published tools to help developers
> >who wanted to develop for Java, and only for Windows and
> >wanted to take advantage of Windows features.
> >
>
> This was in direct violation of their contractual agreements with
> Sun and the Java consortium. Making extensions to Java that were
> platform specific were direct violations. Which is, of course,
> why Sun succeeded in it's lawsuit against Microsoft.
Which basically resulted in MS putting in a compiler switch to
allow you to turn off the JDirect extensions.
Big whoop.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:23:30 GMT
"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Bob Hauck <bobh = haucks dot org> wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:25:01 GMT, Chad Myers
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>> Basically, nobody in the embedded space really wants WinCE or NT.
> >>
> >>You have no facts to back this statement up.
> >
> >Apparently you have no facts to dispute it either. I design and build
> >embedded systems. You claim to be a network admin. Let the reader
> >decide who's making things up.
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2683068,00.html
>
> eWEEK: Linux, which you have described as your greatest competitive
> threat, is also pushing into the embedded space. What exactly is the
> nature of the Linux threat to Microsoft and what is your strategy to
> deal with it?
>
> BALLMER: The Linux approach has led to an environment from which we can
> all learn, as it's a great way to do developer support. While Windows
> maintains its pre-eminent position in terms of developer support and
> interest, there is something about the way the Linux community supports
> itself that every platform provider should study if it wants to provide
> broad community. The Linux community support model has resonated with
> people.
> [...]
> This partly led to us reducing Windows CE prices quite dramatically over
> the past year ... but I think those prices are now pretty much as low
> as they're likely to go.
>
>
> http://www.electronicstimes.com/story/technology/OEG20010208S0006
>
> In his speech Ballmer said their may be more concessions on licensing
> terms from the company as it tries to build up market share in embedded.
>
> "We've dramatically dropped the price of Windows CE over the course of
> the last year. There may be other things we need to do to show greater
> flexibility on terms and conditions," said Ballmer.
>
> The only reason for "dramatically dropped the price" is because
> nobody was buying at the asking price.
>
> Last year it was "No further price reductions are anticipated"
> and then this. I am looking forward to next year.
So... basically, Windows CE and PocketPC had significant share, of which
Linux was eroding, so MS had to respond.
The original claim was that Windows had almost NO share in the
market at all, which seems to be untrue (wouldn't be the first time
from Bob).
> Linux: The Unix defragmentation tool.
But I thought Linux wasn't Unix?
-c
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: 27 Mar 2001 19:42:12 -0600
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 25 Mar 2001 15:01:21
> [...]
> >AHHAHAHAH peter - you are so funny, that cute little .VBS file you
attached.
> >hehehe - did you really think that a) I would just double click on it
cause
> >it says "i love windows", b) did you really think that any NT/W2K
advocate
> >worth one half his salt doesn't have "hide extensions" turned off so
seeing
> >past the cutsey .txt.vbs shit is even easier than c) didn't think I'd
> >recognize the icon for a script versus a text file and d) didn't have
> >virus/script checking enabled and updated or e) trust a linuvocate
> >whatsoever?
>
> Notice that had *any* of those conditions not been true, you'd have been
> vulnerable, regardless of whether the remainder were or not. Gotta love
> that Windows!
Not at all true but you can't handle the truth...
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:28:15 GMT
"spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:16:05 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > So, you agree that MS _does_ extend standards.
> >>
> >> On occasion, but usually for good occasions.
> >>
> >> For example, XML. The XML standard is evolving WAY WAY too slowly
> >> and it seems that MS was the only one willing to take matters
> >> into their own hands. They continued development, continued
> >> developing new features and turning them into the worthless W3C
> >> who couldn't keep up with MS.
> >
> >If this doesn't tell you where Chad is coming from, nothing
> >will.
> >
>
> Sometimes the utter stupidities he spouts are amazing.
You guys are so full of yourself, your stink like shit.
So let's talk about facts, huh?
MS has the best, most standards compliant parser on the market right
now. It has full support for Schema, of which no other parser supports.
Xerces is the nearest leader, and it has basic schema support. It's
really a kludge together of several disparate XML parsers combined
into one. The error trapping is pathetic and it's hard to determine
if your document really parsed or not, let alone if it passed
validation.
What about XSL? MS again is in the leading pack. Oracle has some
good technologies out there, but they're mainly related to Oracle
stuff, so it's not typical to use their technologies outside of
their applications.
But, in the end, XML is just a framework for document standards
and MS is involved in developing some of the leading document
standards including WSDL and the UDDI framework among others.
Web services is big now. Sun, IBM, and MS are all squared to
compete real soon with Sun One, MS .NET, and IBM's WebServices
framework. And they all are using the same service description
and discovery formats pioneered and assisted with much of
Microsoft's help.
Meanwhile, Linux is still trying to get USB support and a decent
file system that can support >2GB files.
-c
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:01 +1000
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Brent R wrote:
> >
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:99hefe$tsa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >>Red Hat has started charging for their update services
> > > > >>in a futile attempt to actually make money sometime in
> > > > >>the next 10 years.
> > > >
> > > > Redhat has just been reported to have "broken even" for the last
quarter,
> > > > and thus to have exceeded market expectations[1].
> > >
> > > WOW! broken even! woo hoo - I guess when you fire most of your staff,
> > > eliminate your advertising budget, start charging for a product you
get for
> > > free yourself, broke even really is impressive. I'm sure the stock
holders
> > > are impressed too - ahahahhahhahaha, ya know, lots of people laughed
when
> > > someone here said he bought MS stock, I sure as hell would rather have
that
> > > depressed MS stock rather than ANY linux company's stock right now!!
> >
> > Seriously... it's a bargain market right now... the chance that
> > Microsoft will be in business 5 years from now is a lot better than a
> > Linux company's chance. Even though I have conflicing views on their
> > products, Microsoft is a sure bet and solid as a rock.
>
> $10000 invested in Microsoft today vs $10000 invested in a group of Linux
> companies.
>
> Which portfolio will be more valuable in 5 years?
>
I'd have to vote for Microsoft on that one. IMHO Linux is still a better
product, it's business model is somewhat different and less oriented towards
generating HUGE ca$h flows than MS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Mar 2001 02:11:42 GMT
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:53:18 -0700, Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 27 Mar 2001 03:20:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
>wrote:
>
>
>*snip*
>>
>>May I suggest a good book such as O'Riely's "Running Linux" as a means for you
>>to obtain some understanding of the basics of installing and running Linux ?
>>
>
>I've thought about buying this several times.
>
>>In 1997 thats what I used, and a $6.50 Cheapbytes CD, containing RedHat4.2.
>>I read that book 3 times, and used a seperate hard drive for Linux, in other
>>words I'd actually swap hard drives when I wanted to run Linux or Win95.
>>
>>
>
>I'm coming to the conclusion that the separate hard drive may be the
>way to go, based on your advice and that of several other people.
Actually, ... now that I've a little more experience, if I could do it again
I'd buy another pc, and network the new Linux box and the Windows box, and move
the one set of keyboard and monitorbetween them as I wished.
This way I could set up a Samba file share on the Linux box and copy all my
Windows files to the Linux box, making the transition as painless as possible.
I also make it a point to 'ruin' a new disto afew times and see how hard it is
to recover, or what I can get away with, before I start depending on the
install.
With a seperate Linux box, if you stuff it up, you still have your working
(tongue in cheek) Windows box to fall back on.
The Linux box need not be anything special, unless you want speedy Xwindows
response, and even then, something like my Cyrix 686/300 with 128megs ram is
plenty.
Second hand NE2000 network cards will usually be found on boot up by Linux,
the main trouble will be Windows, where you may have to tell it the interrupt
settings of the card if its a isa bus unit.
>
>>At first, as I came from a DOS/Windows world, Linux was totally strange to me,
>>and it took a while for me to come to grips with it, but after about 6 months
>>I changed over to Linux permently following a motherboard upgrade that while
>>having no effect on Linux, rendered Windows unusable.
>>
>>I also read COLA for 12 months before posting,n as people like the famous
>>Alexander Viro had no time for fools and would rip yer head off, if you didn't
>>think about your post carefully, before posting it :)
>
>Yep, off to the newbie groups for me!
A book will do a *lot* for your understanding, and if no one on the help groups
has solved your particular problem before, you probably wont get any replies to
requests for help. I've found that people only reply to problems that they have
had and solved themselves.
>
>>
>>Good luck with Linux, a bad start can only get better, and you dont have to
>>spend lots of money to get a working Linux install. As stated before, my initial
>>foray cost me about $60 for the book (huge book) and $6.50 for the CD.
>>
>>I have never bought a commercial boxed Linux disto.
>>
>>
>
>I definitely will think hard before doing it again.
Hahah, giving Linux away so soon ?
You can't escape you know, once the Linux bug bites its only a matter of time
before you *have* to try again ;-)
Actually I realise I was incorrect when I said I have never bought a commercial
disto before (sorry forgot). I bought my first Linux disto in 1993, the
Yggdrassil shrink wrapped CD and small 'Windows like' booklet.
I put the CD and the boot floppy in my homemade pc (Cyrix 486SLC with 8 megs
ram) and it booted, made a ram based install, found my network card, sound card
and video card.
I was presented with a working Linux install, (including Xwindows that was mega
slow)!!
Unfortunately I didn't have a clue, playing X othello was fun, but I couldn't
even mount a floppy, as I was totally clueless!
So I shelved it for 4 years, under interesting but too strange.
If you think Linux is too strange also, be aware that Linux is not new, its
a clone of UNIX which was first released in 1972, and has sound reasons for
its design, even if one isnt aware of them :)
Allow a couple of years, 1-3 books, lots of reading and experimentation before
you start to feel at home with Linux, having come from a Windows environment.
>
>Thanks for all the advice and the interesting comments.
You're wecome, it's fun talking to a pissed off Linux user instead of a
Wintroll :)
>
>Brian
>
Regards
Terry
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OSX Links -
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:15:52 +1200
Nope, I'm just the resident BOFH in this news group.
Matthew Gardiner
Shane Phelps wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > AND WHAT GROUP IS THIS YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON?
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
>
> Are you trying to do Aaron out of a job???
>
> It's nice to see a Mactroll in here for a change ;-)
>
> > SamanthaJoy wrote:
> >
> > > OSX seems more promising than expected ---
> > >
> > > http://www.architosh.com/news/2001-03/2001-0324-osx-01.phtml
> > >
> > > http://www.slfp.com/SLFPBIZp.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.apple.com/macosx
> > >
> > > Developer Notes ---
> > >
> > > http://www.macfixit.com/macosx.shtml
> > >
> > > Downloads ---
> > >
> > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/downloads
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > Sami
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Mar 2001 02:22:49 GMT
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:18:03 +1000, Interconnect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Now I feel lucky! I haven't spent as much as it sounds. I may start
>> pricing dedicated hard drives if I really get serious.
>
>
>Eventually you may run Linux on it's own PC and experience true *freedom*.
>I still run Win98 for some games and legacy apps (an Access database I spent
>some time writing. [Which I should really port to MySQL *shrug*] )
I also wrote a huge MS Access app (News Agency database), which I'd hate to try
and port to MySql but having said that, I just *love* MySql and PostgresSql and
wouldn't use anything else now.
>
>Too bad work is headed in the MS direction :( Yeah give me some of that NT
>and "Treacle Client Services" (TM)
:(
>
Terry
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distro Bigotry...
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:29:05 +1200
I don't see Debian adopting it fast. Look how long Debian kept the 2.0.38
kernel pumping along in their distro! now thats a long time. As for Debian
vs. the rest, if I had a fast internet connection, and it didn't cost me
$130 permonth, then yes, I would use debian, however, I am on a 56K modem
lucky to hit 5.3K/sec, so I am sticking with what I know. Although I am
currently running Redhat 7 (a freebie version included with a linux pocket
guide), I was waiting for SuSE Linux 7.1 (w/ the 2.4.0 kernel) to be
released and available in New Zealand. Now that it is, I'm moving back to
SuSE Linux. I've been using it since 6.0, and I have found that each
release gets more and more reliable, stable and easier to use. As for the
comment regarding KDE 2 and SuSE Linux, I find that the modifications and
support SuSE give to KDE is awsome. Personally, I choose it over GNOME as
the libraries etc are more mature and stable than what is currently
available on GNOME, also, I find that the stability is better on KDE. I'm
not anti-gnome, however, I just prefer using KDE. As for the GUI, I would
much rather have the nice purply-bluey colour scheme employed by SuSE,
than have the vile/repulsive GUI Microsoft has created.
Matthew Gardiner
spicerun wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I am not too sure about your situation, however, I find that Redhat
> > (Redhat Linux 7) has little or no interest in KDE, as demonstrated by
> > their pathetic ability to include KDE 1.1.2 (which is bloody ancient)
> > with their distro, however, they were able to include the latest gnome
> > libs etc, so, from my little example, certain distro's have a
> > "so-called" biasness to certain destops etc.
>
> I have to agree with you here....and I think this is also tragic. FWIW
> Redhat's 7.0.90 release actually has the latest KDE release on it
> (excluding the KDE released just in the past couple of days).
>
> I'm still looking for a distro that supports all equally well. (I
> half-way expected Charlie to hop in and tell me that Debian does this and
> more). I wonder if slackware supports all the WindowManagers/Desktops
> equally? Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the next greatest release of
> Debian (or the woody iso images, whichever comes first).
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:34:24 +1200
Just as a follow up, I have used Konqueror, and I give it a 9/10, the only
let down is in the area of Javascript and Javasupport. I downloaded the
javaplugin JRE and directed Kon*, however, it failed to load even the
javasoft applet. Apart from that, it is very stable. I haven't even had a
seg-fault yet, which is a good sign.
Matthew Gardiner
Giuliano Colla wrote:
> Brian Rourke wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > All I'm saying is that just because they're monopolists doesn't mean
> > that Netscape isn't an often buggy piece of software. Doesn't justify
> > all of the crap Gates pulled at all, but the crap doesn't make
> > Netscape better than it is, either. (Maybe the Linux version is less
> > buggy???)
> >
>
> Unfortunately no. The only advantage is that when it crashes it doesn't
> take down everything else (merit of Linux, not of Netscape), so you just
> kill its remnants, and restart it.
> But under Linux you have a number of alternative choices, from Lynx
> (text only but incredibly fast), to Opera (available also for Windows)
> to Konqueror which is becoming a real refreshing new entry in the
> browser field.
>
> --
> Giuliano Colla
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:38:32 +1200
Although he's (Brians) probably kill filed, me I'll post this anyway. May I
suggest you check your hard drive and CDROM jumper settings, as alot of hardware
companies set the hard drive to "cable select" which can sometimes screw up
linux detecting drives properly, instead, change to the proper jumper settings
(according to what IDE adapter they are on). Also, check whether LBA is enabled
(in the bios).
Matthew Gardiner
Brian Rourke wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:16:56 +0400, "Alexander Nosenko"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Brian Rourke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> ... I got rid of my
> >> extended partitions today and tried again. No luck.
> >
> >Well... if you have a lot of free (unpartitioned) space at the end of HD <=
> >32GB and Linux install dies... something is royally screwed, and most
> >probably it's not your hardware. Looks like you've found a good fat bug.
> >
>
> All there was was a 7gig primary DOS partition at the start of the
> drive. So it can't be the 1024 cluster problem or the fact that my
> disk has all been gobbled up by evil DOS parititions/logical drives.
>
> So I may have found a bug? Lucky me. Too bad I'm not a chimp (well
> some around here may disagree with that...).
>
> >You can get a lot of useful info at Linux consoles at install time - Alt-F1
> >through Alt-F4 they are, but it requires certain *nix knowledge. I would
> >like to ask you to find some friendly Linux hacker and make him look at your
> >installation (they are friendly folk mostly - that's just this NG full of
> >tail-biters).
> >
>
> I'll try. Believe it or not, when I called one of the places in the
> little town where I live that is MOST likely to have Linux hackers
> hanging around, no one I spoke to had even heard of Linux!!! I was
> pretty shocked. May just have been an off day. I'll keep at it.
> (BTW, almost everyone in this group seems to me to be a smart,
> interesting and helpful person also able to deal with a bit of
> give-and-take. Grouser that I am, I've got no complaints about this
> group. Not that it would matter if I did.)
>
> >If you've found some real bug or hardware incompatibility, it should be
> >analyzed and reported back to community to be fixed (that's how the whole
> >thing works). The case certainly deserves close professional attention.
> >Hopefully, it will save some other guy some hours of frustration, to say
> >nothing about Linux reputation :-)
> >
>
> Well, I'll try to find out how to do this. Thanks.
>
> >BTW, I've installed Mandrake in the most bizzare configurations and install
> >never died like that. I've used downloaded images, with no fancy PM
> >stuff -just fdisk or DiskDrake.
> >
>
> Well, it's Mandrake and RedHate now that have failed. (Also COREL,
> but I never took them seriously.)
>
> Interesting stuff.
>
> Thanks for the help. It's much appreciated.
>
> The late spring sunshine flooded,
> like a bursted tepid star,
> the pink Boulevard. The people
> beneath crawled like wounded insects
> of cloth.
>
> Wyndham Lewis
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From: Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:54:39 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:30:39 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
*snip*
>Brian, I happened to come across while browsing in Staples, a newer
>version of Caldera Linux. It had a separate box called CBT... a linux
>tutorial that runs in windows. That particular distro has one fine
>aspect in that it easily gets one on the internet. If one uses one of
>the larger internet provider (minus AOL) it contains an on-line database
>to automatically hook you up based upon your city and state. I found
>this to be a new idea. WebMin comes with it and gives you a GUI
>approach to administering the system. Down side is it costs about
>$100. Thought you would like the info.
Thanks for the tip. This is useful information worth looking into.
Now if I only I had a Staples or equivalent nearby... I didn't know
how easy I had it when I lived in California. Good computer stores on
every block, it seemed.
Thanks again,
Brian
The late spring sunshine flooded,
like a bursted tepid star,
the pink Boulevard. The people
beneath crawled like wounded insects
of cloth.
Wyndham Lewis
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