Linux-Advocacy Digest #166, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 20:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux dying (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Goldhammer)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (David
Masterson)
Re: Communism (GreyCloud)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Communism (Anonymous)
Re: Communism (Barry Manilow)
Re: Communism (GreyCloud)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Charles Lyttle)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Anonymous)
Re: communism (GreyCloud)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (GreyCloud)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:18:33 -0800
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > Windows CodeName Whistler, Build 2296
> > > Uptime: 24 days, 19 hours, 23 Minutes, 20 seconds.
> > > Reason for last reboot: Needed to installed another PCI video adapter.
> > > Tasks for next reboot: Need to take out the PCI Video adapter.
> > > Next reboot due at: When I get XP final.
> > > Computer uses: Email, Internet, Development (C/C++, Java, VB, .NET,
> > > ASP), TS Server, firewall, internet connection sharing, Word/Power
> > > Point, IIS & FTP server (light load, except when developing).
> > >
> > Fine for you if those figures where true.
> > I don´t believe you.
>
> Umm, then you should pull your head from the sand. I think you're
> still living in the Win95 days when Windows was crap.
>
> A lot has happened since then. Windows 2000 never crashes, and neither
> does the WinXP beta.
>
OH, PULEESEE! No such thing as never crashes!
There was a cartoon in Byte magazine in the late 70's: The devil was at
the psychiatrists' office laying on the couch. The devil said "All he
wanted was 1000 lines of Assembler of bug free code!"
> > By the way: Someone who puts all that stuff on a *production* machine
> > *and* puts a firewall too unto it shows clearly that he/she has no real
> > knowledge about firewalls at all.
>
> This is his home box, moron. And, most of us don't have enough money
> to set up a full DMZ.
>
> -c
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:25:54 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > >
> > >Please show where MS's databases have been compromised.
> > >
> > >Until then, please stop talking from your ass.
>>
> What code? There are no facts in this article.
>
> Besides, it doesn't answer my initial question...
>
> Where has consumer data been compromised?
>
> Please show where MS's databases have been compromised.
>
> Until then, please stop talking from your ass.
Too bad ass-face Chad won't see this. This first URL
isn't quite to the point, just notes that Bill Gates
may have had a credit-card number stolen.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/000327-000003.html
Damn, can't find the story about the Ukranian hackers
who used an IIS vulnerability to obtain credit card
numbers (including mine, apparently, billed for
usage of INET MOSCOW).
Will try later!
Chris
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:26:32 -0800
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:qXow6.270485$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
> > > >> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > I said before that NT is more stable *as an OS*, because the point
> > is,
> > > >> > as a *platform*, its every bit as unreliable as any other Windows.
> > And
> > > >> > this, of course, is where the bad design of Windows really shines.
> > NT,
> > > >> > of course (including W2K and XP) doesn't fall over every time an
> > > >> > application coughs up a lung, like WinDOS does. But it does crash,
> > > >> > bomb, freeze, lock, wedge, glitch, or otherwise require a
> > > >> > re-initialization (to arbitrary extent) on a routine basis.
> > > >
> > > >Windows CodeName Whistler, Build 2296
> > > >Uptime: 24 days, 19 hours, 23 Minutes, 20 seconds.
> > > >Reason for last reboot: Needed to installed another PCI video adapter.
> > > >Tasks for next reboot: Need to take out the PCI Video adapter.
> > > >Next reboot due at: When I get XP final.
> > > >Computer uses: Email, Internet, Development (C/C++, Java, VB, .NET, ASP),
> > TS
> > > >Server, firewall, internet connection sharing, Word/Power Point, IIS &
> > FTP
> > > >server (light load, except when developing).
> > >
> > > So? I fail to see your point.
> >
> > Personally I reboot my WinBox everymorning. Why?
>
> Because you don't know what the hell you're doing, or you're an idiot.
>
> I never have to reboot unless it involves a hardware change or a power
> outtage. If you have to reboot daily, then you should get your head
> checked.
>
> Unless it's win9x, which would make you even more clueless.
>
> -c
(Where the hell did I put that attack Penguin? Oh, there you are Tux...
Sic em!)
Or... QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:33:39 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:32:17 GMT,
Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes,
>> it's usually a complete system
>> freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
>Bullshit, Chad. Now, granted, if it is an application that snags keyboard
>control, especially a DGA program (mostly games), things get really icky at
>the console. But, in >99.9% of X crashes, the kernel is still running
>untouched in the background, and all you have to do is SSH (ooh, scary!)
>into the "crashed" box and kill X manually.
Meyers doesn't know what he's talking about. ALT+F1 doesn't
do anything to the X server, frozen or not.
CTRL+ALT+F[2-6]
switches to a virtual terminal, and
CRTL+ALT+F7
returns you to your X session.
If you want to kill the X server, use:
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:31:03 -0800
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > >
> > > Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:39:10
> > > [...]
> > > >> >Win9x sucks, though, we've already established that. That's why MS is
> > > >> >ditching it and going with WinXP which is based on the NT/2K kernel.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, but we've already established that NT, 2K, and XP all suck, too.
> > > >> That's the problem.
> > > >
> > > >Just refering to win9x series... I claim here as I have earlier that I
> > > >don't know anything about NT. I leave that to others. But, considering
> > > >MS track record of reliability, their credibility is in grave doubts
> > > >here.
> > >
> > > Yes, that's a very wise position to take, obviously. NT is, indeed,
> > > much more stable as an OS than DOS, and 2K does improve on that, as
> > > well. But I assure you the only reason anyone would consider NT or 2K
> > > "reliable" is if they've never seriously used anything *but* WinDOS.
> > > You know how horrid that is. So its no surprise, hmm, that NT or 2K is
> > > 'the bee's knees' for the Windroid, given the comparison.
> > >
> > > I said before that NT is more stable *as an OS*, because the point is,
> > > as a *platform*, its every bit as unreliable as any other Windows. And
> > > this, of course, is where the bad design of Windows really shines. NT,
> > > of course (including W2K and XP) doesn't fall over every time an
> > > application coughs up a lung, like WinDOS does. But it does crash,
> > > bomb, freeze, lock, wedge, glitch, or otherwise require a
> > > re-initialization (to arbitrary extent) on a routine basis.
> > >
> > > --
> > > T. Max Devlin
> > > *** The best way to convince another is
> > > to state your case moderately and
> > > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
> >
> > Thats what I thought. I had an older distro on my box but an app in X
> > froze up, so I alt-F1 to get a virtual terminal, logged in as root, did
> > a ps -ax and found the ID of that process and killed it. Logged out of
> > root, did an alt-F(?) (forgot) and back in to my original X gui and
> > everything was back again. Its one of the best features I've found and
> > not in any other O/S that I know of.
>
> Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
> freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
>
> -c
How could a WinDrool know?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:32:44 -0800
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
>
> On Wed 28 Mar 2001 12:39, Chad Myers wrote:
>
> [Snip]
> >>
> >> Thats what I thought. I had an older distro on my box but an app in X
> >> froze up, so I alt-F1 to get a virtual terminal, logged in as root, did
> >> a ps -ax and found the ID of that process and killed it. Logged out of
> >> root, did an alt-F(?) (forgot) and back in to my original X gui and
> >> everything was back again. Its one of the best features I've found and
> >> not in any other O/S that I know of.
> >
> > Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
> > freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
> >
> > -c
> >
>
> Bullshit, Chad. Now, granted, if it is an application that snags keyboard
> control, especially a DGA program (mostly games), things get really icky at
> the console. But, in >99.9% of X crashes, the kernel is still running
> untouched in the background, and all you have to do is SSH (ooh, scary!)
> into the "crashed" box and kill X manually. Your video card registers will
> almost certainly be corrupted, but you can start a new, pristine X from SSH
> with "unset DISPLAY; startx -- :0" (if you use startx) or waiting for XDM
> to respawn (if you don't use startx). You'll eventually need to reboot
> if you want the text mode console to work again, but the unaffected systems
> will be in perfect running order until then, since X is entirely a
> userspace program.
>
> --
> Chronos Tachyon
> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
Hey... its not worth the effort. The guy's a Billy Butt Crust.
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:35:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
From: David Masterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> "David" == David Kankiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The reason that unlimited intellectual property is inadvertantly
> bad, people can't use it to purchase material things that were
> created from limited resources. (Its, at least, the truth of the
> matter.)
Huh? Thru the sale of IP, I can purchase material things. Reduce the
value of IP to zero and I (and a lot of others) need to find another
way to make a living.
> By having a society that always places restrictions on things and
> "nothings", people can utilize an unlimited resource to obtain a
> limited resource. The idea has been found to have merit within a
> capitalistic society ;). And, anything that attempts to change that
> will have to change the capitalistic society, which seems to be the
> best organizational model society has come up with so far...
What unlimited resource are you talking about? The creation of IP
that has value is not unlimited. It may be distributed at zero cost,
but the creation of IP is not zero cost (the valuing of it, though,
depends on the owner of the IP).
> (We still have not seen any more efficient organizational structures
> that utilize communications provided by computers and more advanced
> technologies spring up... If they do arise, what then? Should we
> leave the world "as is" and say it threaten "the current value
> system" too much to even allow them?)
How do you answer such a question? The only possible answer is show
me the new system and I'll tell you what then...
> (That is where the, don't say it'll "never happen", thing came from,
> and my own work on more efficient intellectual creation and
> distribution...)
Is there a link to your work? Perhaps that will help me understand
what you're driving at.
> The other side of the argument, is where the restrictions on
> intellectual property have actually limited progress from occurring.
> Progress that would by definition decrease the number of "currently"
> improverished people.
Charity?
> For instance, the cost increase associated with all forms of
> businesses because software that increases efficiency is priced
> above the budget of small businesses.
If there is a market, they will price it accordingly...
> Or, the limitations on duplicating information resource that would
> be useful to half a billion people in some other countries.
More charity...
> As for b) "drastically reducing IP", I'd have to almost say the
> opposite. The amount of highly paid creation would suffer, no doubt,
> but the only way I see intellectual property being disassociated
> with property is by increasing the amount to the point that nobody
> can claim ownership of any of it. The methods for doing this are
> available right now (well, let just say, quick and easily
> implemented right now).
In a society where you have some people creating material things and
others creating non-material things (like IP), but only allow the
exchange of "things" thru monetary valuations, then you have to have
everyone play by the same rules. If you do things to artificially
reduce the value of non-material things (IP), but do not fundamentally
change the monetary structure of the market, then you have a lot of
people who need to learn a new way of making a living.
> Thus, we are at a crossroad between allowing IP to be more
> restricted than ever before and releasing the means to kill almost
> all of IP within a decade.
True.
> Comments?
--
David Masterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Rational Software (but I don't speak for them)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:42:52 -0800
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:56:28
> >[...]Eventually,
> >capitalism will slowly topple the communist system.
>
> Didn't they teach any of you little boys in school that capitalism is an
> economic system, as is socialism, while communism is a political system,
> as is democracy? Please, no one-dimensional thinking to explain the
> error: just admit it is an error and think harder about your opinion.
> Just because your own carefully learned bigotries prevents you from
> seeing the two distinctly doesn't mean you should encourage the same
> prejudice in others.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Take note: The communist system in the Soviet Union was toppled.
Communism in the economic sense is a total failure. It isn't bigotry
when a tin-pot dictator puts up a nuclear missile system designed to
annihilate you. Its defense. Little boys will only forget the mistakes
of their grandfathers and repeat those mistakes.
I won't forget! One-dimensional thinking does not take place in the
analysis of the Cuban mess. Thats why Cuba still exists as it is. It
really wouldn't be all that difficult to just go down south about 90
miles and put an end to it.
I agree with some of your statements. We really don't need politics in
this ng. Why the commie came in here to push his views of communism in
a linux advocacy group I'll never know. I prefer that we ignore
further posts about this and pursue what this ng is about.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:39 +1200
Its not as bad as Flash dominated sites that take 2 minutes just to get the
front page loaded.
Matthew Gardiner
Brian Rourke wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:06:20 GMT, Giuliano Colla
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Brian Rourke wrote:
> >>
> >[snip]
> >>
> >> Too bad. Good to know that Lynx is alive and well, though. I always
> >> liked that browser. I'm not generally a fan of graphics-encrusted,
> >> java and Active-X infested pages, though occasionally they have their
> >> uses. Most of what's interesting is usually the text, IMO.
> >>
> >
> >I fully agree. I usually browse with images, java, javascript and CSS
> >turned off. The problem is that sometimes you need Javascript (or some
> >other slow loading devilry) just to reach the page where the useful text
> >is.
>
> Yes, and I usually find that very annoying. Thus the rot spreads.
>
> Brian
>
> The late spring sunshine flooded,
> like a bursted tepid star,
> the pink Boulevard. The people
> beneath crawled like wounded insects
> of cloth.
>
> Wyndham Lewis
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:46:08 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) eeped:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Barry Manilow wrote:
> >>
> >> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >
> >> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> >> > >
> >> > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> >> > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> >> > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> >> > > world.
> >> >
> >> > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> >> >
> >> > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> >>
> >> China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> >>
> >
> >Yes, they are beginning to see the light.
> >
> >However, the brutal ways of their Communist Revolution and
> >subsequent Cultural Revolution are still with them.
> >
>
> comp.os.linux.advocacy.and.debate.on.communism.vs.capitalism
yay capitalism!
speaking of which, microsoft has done rather well under the free market
system don't you think?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
tee hee!
p.s. why are so many linux users fat ugly beardos?
jest axin
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:47:38 -0800
"Gunner ©" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
>
> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> --
This has been mischaracterized. You have to understand that the Cuban
exiles are basically at war with Cuba.
It would be like if Ossama bin Ladin had been flying Cessnas over US
territory repeatedly, spying on us, scaring us, and dropping
propaganda leaflets. The US let bin Ladin fly over repeatedly with
nothing more than warnings. The warnings escalated, and turned into
warnings that the planes would be shot down. Ossama took the bait and
continued flying and was not shot down. Just more warnings. Finally,
Ossama tried to fly over the US one more time. The US Air Force flew
over and warned him to leave US airspace. He thumbed his nose at us
and was shot down over the ocean. The US people rejoiced! This is
essentially what happened here.
I have no sympathy at all for the terrorists shot down over Cuba in
their Cessna. They got what they deserved! Tough! :)
--
Bob
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:46:04 -0800
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> > > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> > > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> > > > world.
> > >
> > > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> > >
> > > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> >
> > China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> >
> > I would venture to say that the Cuban system kills few. Certainly, in
> > the rest of Latin America, capitalism is a killing machine. At least
> > Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> > will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> > medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Have you ever spoken with a Cuban? I speak fluent spanish and I have
> spoken with *many* and they all pretty much:
>
> 1) Love Cuba
>
> and
>
> 2) Despise the government
>
> Why do you think they kill themselves to come *here*?
>
> > Will the US even commit to this? No. Actually, lack of proper
> > medical care murders 250,000 Americans every year, in one of the
> > world's richest countries! Most of these are good, hard-working
> > folks. Why did they have to die? So a relative few could make some
> > extra bucks. How could anyone defend such a system?
>
> Huh? I've lived in cities from the size of millions to a small town
> the size of 4000 and have never seen these people. I supported myself
> by working at McDonald's and managed to pay for school at the same
> time. I didn't manage to pay for the nicest place to live, but I had
> enough money to buy a PlayStation and way too many games.
>
> Death never entered the equation.
>
> > I suppose the idea would be to come up with an economic system that
> > did not systematically kill so many human beings. Capitalism can be
> > reformed to the point where hardly kills at all (well-regulated
> > capitalism, probably the best system so far) but capitalists never
> > seem to want to do this because by saving lives, they would end up
> > making less money. Any system with that kind of ideology seems pretty
> > immoral to me.
>
> You are crazy.
>
> Go to Miami and visit with a few refugees before you spout off again.
>
> --
> It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
Sorry, Craig. This person is an insurgent. Ignore his kind. He is
full of propaganda and the same kind I've heard back in the 60's. It's
all lies from their kind and they look for the unsuspecting to subvert.
--
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:51:22 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> >SNIP<<
> Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
> freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
>
> -c
In that case something has taken over the keyboard. Just go to another
computer, do an rsh or ssh into the computer with frozen X and kill the
offending process. Log off the remote connection and you are back in
business.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:51:19 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eeped:
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> [...]
> >> More fodder for those who like to point out you've obviously never been
> >> in combat. Nor have I, but I'm bright enough to know that, were I one
> >> of those blobs, I'd be the shadowiest, most camouflaged fucker in a
> >> hundred miles, if at all possible. Believe me, its for camouflage.
> >
> >Those of us who've actually done it know otherwise.
>
> Look, I don't know what kind of psycho rush it might give you to paint
> your face. But your presumption at authority is very disturbing. Don't
> forget about how badly you've already been spanked by the real soldiers.
that's totally gay
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:49:48 -0800
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:46:41 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Name one Communist regime which doesn't have a history of shooting
> >political opponents, and you *might* have an argument.
>
> Salvador Allende in Chile. Freedom of press, he was a communist, and IIRC,
> the ones who encouraged rounding and killing people was the US, through
> Kissinger, when he gave support to Pinochet's coup.
>
> >Until that day comes, (if ever), you're merely whistling in the dark ASSHOLE!
>
> Every pig has its day.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
Ah! Now that one is a sore spot with americans... Kissinger. He has
secret agendas that are very frightening. Ever hear of the "Club of
Rome"? He is a member.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:53:39 -0800
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:21:09
> >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:58:22 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >MS also extended Java for java developers who ONLY wanted to
> >> >develop on the Windows platform. MS didn't force anyone to
> >> >do anything. They just published tools to help developers
> >> >who wanted to develop for Java, and only for Windows and
> >> >wanted to take advantage of Windows features.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This was in direct violation of their contractual agreements with
> >> Sun and the Java consortium. Making extensions to Java that were
> >> platform specific were direct violations. Which is, of course,
> >> why Sun succeeded in it's lawsuit against Microsoft.
> >
> >Which basically resulted in MS putting in a compiler switch to
> >allow you to turn off the JDirect extensions.
> >
> >Big whoop.
>
> Hmmm. Seems to me I recall a very large settlement (judicial seal
> prevents us from knowing how large), and Microsoft's agreeing never to
> develop Java. Woop.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
MickeySoft paid Sun $20,000,000.
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