Linux-Advocacy Digest #170, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 23:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Communism (Barry Manilow)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why can't we just all be friends? (mlw)
Re: Communism (Barry Manilow)
Re: Communism (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:55:02 -0800
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Said Craig Kelley in alt.destroy.microsoft on 28 Mar 2001 08:22:12
> > >Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [...]
> > >Have you ever spoken with a Cuban? I speak fluent spanish and I have
> > >spoken with *many* and they all pretty much:
> > >
> > > 1) Love Cuba
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > 2) Despise the government
Ah but they love Castro. That is the part of the equation that u
missed.
>
> > >Why do you think they kill themselves to come *here*?
They want to get rich. They are impatient. The quota for that year
has filled up. They do not want to go anywhere else in the world.
Every free adult in Cuba is free to leave the country but u must wait
6 months. A lot of Cubans want to go to the US but the quota fills up
real quick. Those who do not make the cut hop on rafts.
> >
> > Nor does it in Cuba, only they don't have PlayStations. N
>
> You're the one that said they didn't have PlayStations. That counts
> as a harm in my book.
You would be stunned how many people down there have things like that.
--
Bob
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:52:02 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:qXow6.270485$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
> > > >> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > I said before that NT is more stable *as an OS*, because the point
> > is,
> > > >> > as a *platform*, its every bit as unreliable as any other Windows.
> > And
> > > >> > this, of course, is where the bad design of Windows really shines.
> > NT,
> > > >> > of course (including W2K and XP) doesn't fall over every time an
> > > >> > application coughs up a lung, like WinDOS does. But it does crash,
> > > >> > bomb, freeze, lock, wedge, glitch, or otherwise require a
> > > >> > re-initialization (to arbitrary extent) on a routine basis.
> > > >
> > > >Windows CodeName Whistler, Build 2296
> > > >Uptime: 24 days, 19 hours, 23 Minutes, 20 seconds.
> > > >Reason for last reboot: Needed to installed another PCI video adapter.
> > > >Tasks for next reboot: Need to take out the PCI Video adapter.
> > > >Next reboot due at: When I get XP final.
> > > >Computer uses: Email, Internet, Development (C/C++, Java, VB, .NET, ASP),
> > TS
> > > >Server, firewall, internet connection sharing, Word/Power Point, IIS &
> > FTP
> > > >server (light load, except when developing).
> > >
> > > So? I fail to see your point.
> >
> > Personally I reboot my WinBox everymorning. Why?
>
> Because you don't know what the hell you're doing, or you're an idiot.
>
> I never have to reboot unless it involves a hardware change or a power
> outtage. If you have to reboot daily, then you should get your head
> checked.
And the earth is the center of the universe, too...
>
> Unless it's win9x, which would make you even more clueless.
>
> -c
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why can't we just all be friends?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:02:13 -0500
"Brandur K. Jacobsen" wrote:
>
> "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless!
> Everything is meaningless."
> I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them
> are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
> Ecclesiastes chapter 1
>
> So what if it's Windows or Linux or whatever?
>
> _brandur_
Perhaps meaningless, perhaps not.
It all depends on your view of freedom. I know this sounds grandiose, but it
isn't, it is about the ability of people to access information.
Make no mistake, and many people will try to belittle this point, access to
information is the foundation of democracy. Freedom of the press, is freedom of
the web.
The founding fathers of the USA, saw that the idiots able to be elected, would
have to be kept in line by a rabidly free press. The fundamental point is that
accurate information spread with little resistance, helps democracy.
When information is managed by one country and one corporation, where is
freedom?
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:00:26 -0800
GreyCloud wrote:
> Communism in the economic sense is a total failure. It isn't bigotry
> when a tin-pot dictator puts up a nuclear missile system designed to
> annihilate you. Its defense.
Castro put up those missles in self-defense. I do not blame him one
bit and am glad he did it. The US had been sponsoring terrorism and
guerilla war in Cuba for a long time. At the time, Operation Mongoose
was on the books, the culmination of which was to be a US invasion of
Cuba. Castro knew we were going to invade so he requested missles to
defend himself from the US. Good for him! The US was the aggressor;
Cuba was the defender!
Little boys will only forget the mistakes
> of their grandfathers and repeat those mistakes.
> I won't forget! One-dimensional thinking does not take place in the
> analysis of the Cuban mess. Thats why Cuba still exists as it is. It
> really wouldn't be all that difficult to just go down south about 90
> miles and put an end to it.
Gee, why don't we do it then? We keep talking about but we never do
it. We would end up with a guerilla war without end, that is why.
>
Why the commie came in here to push his views of communism in
> a linux advocacy group I'll never know.
Thought I would liven things up a bit. :) This group is getting
boring.
--
Bob
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:00:42 +1200
Agree. Also, the free market is like a Rugby Game, they are mearly the referee, they
can not play, however, when something socially undesirable, such as a rule being
broken, then they have the right to intervene, such is the case with DOJ vs.
Microsoft.
Matthew Gardiner
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) eeped:
> > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Barry Manilow wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> > > >> > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> > > >> > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> > > >> > > world.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> > > >>
> > > >> China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Yes, they are beginning to see the light.
> > > >
> > > >However, the brutal ways of their Communist Revolution and
> > > >subsequent Cultural Revolution are still with them.
> > > >
> > >
> > > comp.os.linux.advocacy.and.debate.on.communism.vs.capitalism
> >
> > yay capitalism!
> > speaking of which, microsoft has done rather well under the free market
> > system don't you think?
>
> Actually, Microsoft has practiced a deliberate campaign of subverting
> the free market.
>
> That's why their always in court.
>
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> > tee hee!
> >
> > p.s. why are so many linux users fat ugly beardos?
> >
> > jest axin
> >
> > men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> > more even than death
> > - bertrand russell
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:00:22 -0500
Barry Manilow wrote:
>
> "Gunner ©" wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> > >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> > >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> >
> > But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> > --
> This has been mischaracterized. You have to understand that the Cuban
> exiles are basically at war with Cuba.
I wonder why.
Perhaps you can tell us.
>
> It would be like if Ossama bin Ladin had been flying Cessnas over US
> territory repeatedly, spying on us, scaring us, and dropping
> propaganda leaflets. The US let bin Ladin fly over repeatedly with
> nothing more than warnings. The warnings escalated, and turned into
> warnings that the planes would be shot down. Ossama took the bait and
> continued flying and was not shot down. Just more warnings. Finally,
> Ossama tried to fly over the US one more time. The US Air Force flew
> over and warned him to leave US airspace. He thumbed his nose at us
> and was shot down over the ocean. The US people rejoiced! This is
> essentially what happened here.
>
> I have no sympathy at all for the terrorists shot down over Cuba in
> their Cessna. They got what they deserved! Tough! :)
"Terrorists" who want nothing more than a legitimate government.
> --
> Bob
> Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
> today!
> Why do you think you are being flamed?
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:00:56 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
> 17:28:06 -0500;
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >>
> >> Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:56:28
> >> >[...]Eventually,
> >> >capitalism will slowly topple the communist system.
> >>
> >> Didn't they teach any of you little boys in school that capitalism is an
> >> economic system, as is socialism, while communism is a political system,
> >> as is democracy? Please, no one-dimensional thinking to explain the
> >> error: just admit it is an error and think harder about your opinion.
> >> Just because your own carefully learned bigotries prevents you from
> >> seeing the two distinctly doesn't mean you should encourage the same
> >> prejudice in others.
> >>
> >
> >Communism is an extreme form of socialism, inextribly linked to
> >totalitarianism.
>
> You have no more valid a right to define anything in such a manner as
> the average street person, Aaron.
>
> Communism is a political system, socialism is an economic system. If we
Communism encompasses both politics and economics.
> presume they are linked, then we sacrifice the definition of either, and
> while you may be willing to descend into such a quagmire of prejudice, I
> insist on believing that all men, even ones as stupid as you, are acting
> rationally.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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