Linux-Advocacy Digest #195, Volume #33 Fri, 30 Mar 01 11:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Communism ("Roger Perkins")
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Perry Pip)
Re: ATA standards (Donn Miller)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (Nick
Condon)
Re: Communism (WesTralia)
Re: Linux dying (WesTralia)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (chrisv)
Re: So IE5/Outlook/Outlook Express will all execute attachments ("mmnnoo")
Re: Communism (Douglas Berry)
Re: Linus for a 386???? (JOE)
Re: Earn some money with Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Roger Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:24:45 -0800
Lets see... anti-constitutional subversive activity. Like you saying those
who believe in a different economic system should be shot? Now that's real
"constitutional" of you, aaron. You can't have it both ways -
constitutionally and your way. And that is why you are considered ignorant
and a nazi by the adults here.
At least.
Roger
AIRBORNE!
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ian Davey wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> What, is America a dictatorship now. When did that happen? Or are do
you
> > >> see the US turning into a dictatorship in the future? Interesting...
> > >>
> > >
> > >No...but the penalty for treason still includes death by firing squad.
> >
> > Treason involves more than just expressing views though, otherwise that
is the
> > behaviour shown by a dictatorship.
>
> True.
>
> However true-believers like this "Barry Manilow" character....engage
> in enough anti-constitutional subversive activity to make it legitimate.
>
> The hard part is getting the evidence on WHO is doing WHAT exactly.
>
> >
> > >And if it's wartime, drawing-and-quartering is ALSO a valid penalty.
> >
> > Ouch, drawing-and-quartering isn't much fun...
>
> It is if you're the guy who gets to crack the whip!
>
> >
> > ian.
> >
> > \ /
> > (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> > /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> > | |
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:20:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:48:19 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:03:09 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Gunner © wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
>> >>> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
>> >>> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
>> >>
>> >>I wonder what Cuba would be like if Batista and the Mafia still ruled.
>> >>
>> >
>> >It would be a lot like Las Vegas, Nevada
>>
>> Last i checked, Las Vegas Nevada had the mob, but didn't have
>>
>> a) Batista
>> b) A right-wing dictatorship
>
>I take such labels with a grain of salt.
>
>According to leftists, anything that isn't as left-wing as themselves
>is "right-wing".
Under Batista there was no freedom of press, there was no free elections,
the politics were of open market and savage capitalism, there was no
socialized healthcare.
Are you gonna say Batista was a communist?
>Right-wing has a definition that is more involved than merely
>"opposed to left-wing socialist fuck-heads".... "right-wingers"
>are actually the ideological cousins of left-wingers....they're
>BOTH socialists.
>
>This is why Stalin told the Communists in Germany to vote for Hitler.
Well, Hitler did call himself a socialist.
>People who call the various wacko groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan
>Nation, and other white supremecist groups 'right wing' are misusing
>the term, as these idiots...for all their faults, are *NOT* advocating
>any kind of socialism.
Of course not. They are right wing loonies, not left wing loonies.
>Thus, although they are reprehensible, they certainly are NOT right-wing.
>
>
>Basically, left-wingers just use the phrase "right-wing" as a bogeyman
>to scare their dazed masses of mind-numbed robots into engaging in
>whatever stupid street theater de jure the miscreants at the top want.
Well, it's a much better bogeyman than "socialist".
>> c) A huge record of human rights violation (and no, I don't mean
>> by Castro)
>>
>> My personal guess is, it would be like Cuba in 1950.
>> A place where they welcomed a communist revolution.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:38:36 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roger Perkins wrote:
>>
>> And you keep showing your ignorant ass. The missiles were put in as a
>> direct challenge to our nuclear missiles in Turkey, which we took out after
>
>And American missiles in Turkey pose a threat to Cuba how, exactly?
The argument could be made that it was a threat to the security of the
nation that guaranteed Cuba would not be invaded. And don't dare say
Cuba was not under risk of being invaded, please ;-)
If it was right for the US to put missiles in Turkey aiming at Russia,
why was it not right for Russia to put missiles on Cuba aiming at
the US? It's exactly the same thing!
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:55:52 GMT,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Perry Pip in alt.destroy.microsoft on 28 Mar 2001 17:46:09 GMT;
>>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:04:32 GMT,
>>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Said Donovan Rebbechi in alt.destroy.microsoft on 27 Mar 2001 07:32:17
> [...]
>>>>The point is that I am very sceptical when I see an argument that I believe
>>>>uses fairly sloppy reasoning siezed upon by a herd.
>>>
>>>And without a doubt, Perry's is a bit loose on the reasoning, at least
>>>in comparison to mine, I think.
>>
>>Wait a minute!! Where is my loose reasoning?? I never said I was
>>proving anything. I was only responding to Donovan's claim that "MS
>>prices too high" is "unsubstantiated nonsnese". I have provided at
>>least enough evidence to show the idea is more than "unsubstantiated
>>nonsnese", but I never said I proved it.
>
>Then why are you complaining because I said essentially the same thing?
Then why are you telling me my reasoning is more "loose" than yours?
>
>So to say that your argument was "loose on the reasoning", bearing in
>mind your contention you weren't trying to "prove" anything, whether
>Donovan has an exceedingly high expectation for "proofs" is rather
>immaterial. My point was that, regardless of whether it was sufficient
>"proof" for Donovan, it was insufficient proof to be considered a
>well-reasoned argument.
If it wasn't meant to be proof then why must it be so to considered to
be a well-reasoned arguement. All I meant to do was show reasonable
doubt. Is it not a well-reasoned argument when a lawer only shows to
the jury reasonable doubt as to your guilt instead of proving your
innocence??
>>Donovan is working on his PhD in math...so he thinks the rest of us
>>are morons becuase we don't apply abstract logical rigor to the real
>>world. Ironically, in my profession, Aerospace Engineering, you learn
>>that the rigors of the real world are actually much more complex than
>>any form of mathematics. And when you get into social sciences it's
>>phenomenally more complex than any branch of Engineering.
>
>I think "chaotic" is more completely correct, to be honest. :-)
>
Not quite. I was talking about complexity, which is distinct from choas.
Though the above is correct in regards chaos as well.
Perry
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:38:06 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATA standards
Brian Langenberger wrote:
> Replacing HTML completely is likely impossible at this point;
> there's just too much of it in existance (far more than Gopher's
> pages could ever hope to have).
I used to think Gopher was pretty cool. I used Gopher a lot back in
1993-94, and I thought I was "Mr. Information Super Highway". In this
day and age, I think graphics are way overused. For example, it's kinda
hard to navigate a lot of companies' sites, because they try so hard to
plaster their site with all kinds of graphics and need javascript
effects in the attempt to look good, that all the information gets
lost.
But, that's the way it is these days: if you're a company, gotta have
the fanciest-looking web site on the planet. Meanwhile, lynx and w3m
users are going out of their minds with all the javascript and the
absence of meaningful text, which has been replaced by fancy gifs. The
great thing about Gopher is that the text was the most importan element,
and you got the bottom line, nothing more, nothing less. Plus, you
could use both curses, windows, and X-based gopher clients, and get the
same output on each. Well, X and Windows-based gopher clients probably
gave you better-looking fonts, and better navigability via the
mouse/menus.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:47:25 GMT
Austin Ziegler wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2001, Nick Condon wrote:
>> Austin Ziegler wrote:
>>>> You think that people are mainly motivated by money. Not even the
>>>> economists believe that anymore. You think that without royalty
>>>> payments, people won't write software. The four most critical pieces
>>>> of infrastructure that make the Internet work are The four most
>>>> critical pieces of infrastructure that make the Internet work are
>>>> BIND [Berkeley Internet Name Daemon], Perl, Sendmail, and Apache.
>>>> Everyone of them is free software.
>>> And not one of these are "end-user" software. Without the client
>>> software, there's nothing there.
>> Thank you, you make my point for me. The client software doesn't make
>> any royalties either.
>
>And you ignore the points that you can't refute -- but I didn't make
>your point for you. There *is* client software that does make royalties
>for the copyright holder -- Poco, The Bat, Outlook, etc. Based on the
>number of people who use such software, I'd suggest that you haven't a
>clue
Try and stay focussed on the point I'm making, rather than dribbling your
stream of consciousness onto Usenet.
The point I'm responding, in nutshell:
[abolishing copyright will] drastically reduce the amount of intellectual
work being done.
This my counterargument, in nutshell:
Royalties are not necessary to motivate developers to write software.
--
Nick
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:42:36 -0600
Roger Perkins wrote:
>
> Stupid again.
>
> Roger
> AIRBORNE!
>
Roger, were you expecting anything differnet? Aaron is a 38 year old
male who sits in his mom's basement while wearing a 5-star General
plastic army helmet and posting to USENET from a Wintendo98 box, all
the while his mom is upstairs in the kitchen fixing him Spaghetti-Os.
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jarno Nurminen wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > Ah yes, anybody who doesn't support Communism is a "nazi"
> > >
> > > How would you feel if majority of US citizens would select communism as
> > > their new ideology? If the answer is "kill them all" then one could call
> > > you a nazi. Modern society, at least in here, in build on the foundation
> > > of everyone having their own oppinion heard. If you someone doesen't
> > > like what their neighbour is thinking, it's fine, but judging people
> > > just because of what they think is something I would call nazism. Of
> > > course, this definiton of "nazism" is not so far away of the way USSR
> > > worked...
> >
> > Your definition of nazism is extremely sloppy.
> >
> > Nazism is a brand of fascism. Fascism is a form of SOCIALISM.
> > (what part of National SOCIALIST Party do you not understand?).
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you saying that because I disagree with the Communists, that
> > I'm some sort of socialist...
> >
> > Keep in mind, that my major objection to Communism IS THAT IT IS A
> > FORM OF SOCIALISM.
> >
> > I detest NAzism as strongly as I detest Communism because I HATE
> > SOCIALISM IN ALL FORMS...because Socialism is merely a polite word
> > for government-run slavery.
> >
> >
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:53:10 -0600
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "WesTralia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > It's easier than that! You call them or text message them on your...
> > <drum roll, please.....> CELL PHONE!
> >
> > Chad, here's the schematics for this new fangled technology:
> >
> > [cell phone] ------ message ------> [cell phone]
> > <----- message -------
> >
> > In fact, I did exactly that returning from London this past month.
>
> But still, it's manually initiated. Not to mention the fact that
> the FCC won't allow you to use your cell phone in-flight.
>
Horeshit! I just flew to London and back on a Boeing 777 with
Continental Airlines and you may definitely use a cell phone.
--
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:58:29 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Translation into Chinese: Kulkis has lost all face, because his BLUFF
>> was CALLED.
>>
>> OUTED! LOL!
>
>Chris can't jump
>
>100% OUTED!
>LOL!
Hey, YOU OFFERED to discuss the Linux kernal stuff, and when your
bluff was called? ....... OUTED! LOL!
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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So IE5/Outlook/Outlook Express will all execute attachments
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:14:02 GMT
This really does sound bad, even by Microsoft's own admission.
If you run an email client that renders messages with
MSIE 5.01 or 5.5, anyone in the world can run any
program they like on your system, simply by sending you an
email. You don't need to open any attachment or OK
anything. Just click on the email and your system is toast,
even if you only clicked on it to delete it.
Exploitation of this vulnerability could easily give real teeth to
the next melissa - type virus (of which there have already been
several in the past year).
The "Security Bulletin" (bug report) plainly states that this bug
allows the attacker to "run code of attacker's choice"
(arbitrary code). At least Microsoft was politically correct
enough to consistently refer to the attacker as female.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adam
Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think this tops the buffer overflow in Outlook/Outlook Express where
> arbitrary code can be run on an unpatched Windows machine just by
> sending someone a plain text email.
>
<snip>
> Check it out:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp
>
<snip>
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From: Douglas Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:20:30 -0800
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:13:41 -0800, a wanderer, known to us only as
Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> warmed at our fire and told
this tale:
>I suppose you are right. I always loved the Sandinista national
>anthem, "America, Enemy of Mankind". The US has a lot of potential
>but it often gets directed in the wrong way. I gave money to the FMLN
>in El Salvador (remember them?).
Remember them? Hell, I killed a bunch of 'em! I hope that money
wasn't paying for military training, because if that was the case, you
got ripped off.
--
Douglas E. Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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From: JOE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus for a 386????
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:39:27 GMT
Monkey Linux - had it on a 386 DX 16 laptop, 4 Mg ram, 62 Mg HD, running X with
Fvwm or Fvwm2. Its a DOS - elf version on 6 floppies.
http://www.spsselib.hiedu.cz/monkey/docs/english.htm
Also try http://www.tux.org/pub/distributions/tinylinux/ for a bunch of mini &
single Floppy distro's.
JOE
BoogerT wrote:
> I have a 386 with a 41 meg harddrive and 8 megs of RAM. What would be a good
> linux distro for this machine which would allow me to access the Internet,
> too? If there is one, where would I get it and do documents come with it?
> Thanks in advance,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Earn some money with Linux
Date: 30 Mar 2001 15:59:42 GMT
Benjamin Lvovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you mean I can I sell compiled with say G++ executables without providing
> the source code? I thought GPL and other licences do not allow that.
You should really read the GPL, a lot of things are allowed (I don't think
that you're not allowed to sell binaries that you compled with gcc). There
is also some less strict license for some libraries but you probably better
check out the license you get with each tool before you start getting too
dependend on it for your work. And, if you have any moral qualms, there are
several commercial compilers and many other tools you really can pay for...
HTH, Jens
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