Linux-Advocacy Digest #205, Volume #33 Sat, 31 Mar 01 00:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Some OS security thoughts (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism (Scott Erb)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some OS security thoughts
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:27:37 -0800
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Out of curiosity, what is JTAE??
>
> My now mostly-dormant consulting business, which in its heyday around
> 4 years ago was focused on building FoxPro and Visual FoxPro end-user
> systems.
>
> At present I'm working absurdly long hours as a developer for a
> MegaBank, and therefore don't have time to do real work. :)
>
> When my stint here is done I will consider going back to consulting,
> but I know I'll need two things I previously lacked: (1) a
> business-savvy partner, since I'm far better at the technical side of
> things than the business side, and (2) a focus on free and open
> solutions rather than proprietary ones.
>
> Joe
Thank you. Yes, business savvy will make the difference. Something
that most technical folks don't have time for. A business manager would
benefit you tremendously.
Just make sure your lawyer is there to double check your agreements.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:17:03 -0500
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:35:13 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:29:22 -0800, Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Id love to see your cites on the Mexican border/Berlin comparison.
> >> >Please provide them. I do not recall ever hearing about the AirForce
> >> >shooting down unarmed civilian aircraft intentionally knowing full well
> >> >that they were unarmed civilian aircraft.i
> >>
> >> I didn't say the airforce killed anyone on the border. It's usually up
> >> to border patrols, or the good citizens of the US.
> >
> >
> >You're saying private citizen and law-enforcement, armed with, at
> >best, semi-automatic weapons, are gonna take down a private aircraft
> >flying at over 100 MPH and a few thousand feet of altitude?
>
> Fuck, no.
> You may want to remove the night vision googles while looking at
> your computer, they impair your reading.
Night vision goggles do NOTHING to impair the view of a computer screen.
In case you haven't noticed, modern combat aircraft have computer screens
and pilots when flying at night...aircrew..including pilots...wear...
wait..it's coming to me...nee....naaa....night vision goggles.
Imagine that.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:40:19 -0800
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Now that you mention it, the distrust, do you suppose that ZoneAlarm
> > could be one of those monitoring programs thats sending data back
> > home?? I've noticed that when she is on the net reading her e-mail that
> > the red bars are active a lot.
> >
>
> Well, ZoneAlarm for sure *does* call home.
> Officially just to check if a new version is available.
> You have to believe that, or you don´t.
>
> I do not. But I do not know. Since I use linux, I don´t have any need of
> a playthingy like ZoneAlarm, but even if I had I would not use it.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
Thanks. I'll consider this a heads-up then. I should probably remove
it for her. The only thing that keeps her tied to her billy-box is the
Bridge Zone... you have to have windoze.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:42:00 -0800
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:26:32
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> [...]
> >(Where the hell did I put that attack Penguin? Oh, there you are Tux...
> >Sic em!)
> >
> >Or... QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!!
>
> Which brings us to the grave and important discussion we've all been
> putting off. Just what sound does Tux, the Linux penguin, make?
>
> Somehow, I always thought of it as a soft, wirring sound. It seems like
> there should be something better, though, for occasions like this.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Its the closest thing that came to mind at that moment. Penguins are
serene looking creatures and seem contented.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:26:04 -0500
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:48:19 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>
> >> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:03:09 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Gunner © wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> >> >>> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> >> >>> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> >> >>
> >> >>I wonder what Cuba would be like if Batista and the Mafia still ruled.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >It would be a lot like Las Vegas, Nevada
> >>
> >> Last i checked, Las Vegas Nevada had the mob, but didn't have
> >>
> >> a) Batista
> >> b) A right-wing dictatorship
> >
> >I take such labels with a grain of salt.
> >
> >According to leftists, anything that isn't as left-wing as themselves
> >is "right-wing".
>
> Under Batista there was no freedom of press, there was no free elections,
> the politics were of open market and savage capitalism, there was no
> socialized healthcare.
See, this is why you fail.
Capitalism is *NOT* right wing.
Neither is an open-market economy.
What you are describing is a free economic market under a non-free state.
Of course, freedom of any sort is destabilizing, as economic freedom
breeds the desire for political freedom.
Which is why closet-dictators LOVE Communism, as it removes all
economic freedom....from everybody...ESPECIALLY "THE MASSES".
>
> Are you gonna say Batista was a communist?
Spot the attempt to erect a straw-man.
>
> >Right-wing has a definition that is more involved than merely
> >"opposed to left-wing socialist fuck-heads".... "right-wingers"
> >are actually the ideological cousins of left-wingers....they're
> >BOTH socialists.
> >
> >This is why Stalin told the Communists in Germany to vote for Hitler.
>
> Well, Hitler did call himself a socialist.
Thank you for admitting that truth.
Fascism and Communism are two sides of the same coin.
>
> >People who call the various wacko groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan
> >Nation, and other white supremecist groups 'right wing' are misusing
> >the term, as these idiots...for all their faults, are *NOT* advocating
> >any kind of socialism.
>
> Of course not. They are right wing loonies, not left wing loonies.
KKK, AN, et. al, are calling for a vertically integrated, socialist
economy?
Interesting. Could you point us to some position papers where they
promulgate the economic order of 1930's Germany and Italy, and
1920's - Present Japan?
Last I checked, most of these groups were ragging on the Japanese
economic model...which, if you do your homework, has been fascist
for 80 years now.
>
> >Thus, although they are reprehensible, they certainly are NOT right-wing.
> >
> >
> >Basically, left-wingers just use the phrase "right-wing" as a bogeyman
> >to scare their dazed masses of mind-numbed robots into engaging in
> >whatever stupid street theater de jure the miscreants at the top want.
>
> Well, it's a much better bogeyman than "socialist".
So, what you're saying is that taxing the workers (translation: stealing
from them under the threat of violence or imprisonment) for the benefit
of other people is not one of the basic tenets of socialism...and that
people who advocate such policies are socialists?
Please provide us with a better term to use for these people.
Interesting.
>
> >> c) A huge record of human rights violation (and no, I don't mean
> >> by Castro)
> >>
> >> My personal guess is, it would be like Cuba in 1950.
> >> A place where they welcomed a communist revolution.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:43:44 -0800
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:17:00
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Chad Myers wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:39:10
> >> > > > > [...]
> >> > > > > >> >Win9x sucks, though, we've already established that. That's why MS
> >> is
> >> > > > > >> >ditching it and going with WinXP which is based on the NT/2K kernel.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Yes, but we've already established that NT, 2K, and XP all suck, too.
> >> > > > > >> That's the problem.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >Just refering to win9x series... I claim here as I have earlier that I
> >> > > > > >don't know anything about NT. I leave that to others. But,
> >> considering
> >> > > > > >MS track record of reliability, their credibility is in grave doubts
> >> > > > > >here.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Yes, that's a very wise position to take, obviously. NT is, indeed,
> >> > > > > much more stable as an OS than DOS, and 2K does improve on that, as
> >> > > > > well. But I assure you the only reason anyone would consider NT or 2K
> >> > > > > "reliable" is if they've never seriously used anything *but* WinDOS.
> >> > > > > You know how horrid that is. So its no surprise, hmm, that NT or 2K is
> >> > > > > 'the bee's knees' for the Windroid, given the comparison.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I said before that NT is more stable *as an OS*, because the point is,
> >> > > > > as a *platform*, its every bit as unreliable as any other Windows. And
> >> > > > > this, of course, is where the bad design of Windows really shines. NT,
> >> > > > > of course (including W2K and XP) doesn't fall over every time an
> >> > > > > application coughs up a lung, like WinDOS does. But it does crash,
> >> > > > > bomb, freeze, lock, wedge, glitch, or otherwise require a
> >> > > > > re-initialization (to arbitrary extent) on a routine basis.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > T. Max Devlin
> >> > > > > *** The best way to convince another is
> >> > > > > to state your case moderately and
> >> > > > > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thats what I thought. I had an older distro on my box but an app in X
> >> > > > froze up, so I alt-F1 to get a virtual terminal, logged in as root, did
> >> > > > a ps -ax and found the ID of that process and killed it. Logged out of
> >> > > > root, did an alt-F(?) (forgot) and back in to my original X gui and
> >> > > > everything was back again. Its one of the best features I've found and
> >> > > > not in any other O/S that I know of.
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
> >> > > freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
> >> > >
> >> > > -c
> >> >
> >> > How could a WinDrool know?
> >>
> >> Are you completely devoid of intellectual thought?
> >>
> >> Apparently so.
> >>
> >> *PL0NK*
> >> -c
> >
> >Well, you don't say!
>
> I'm only posting now, but I gotta tell you, I've been laughing for days.
> I've still got that image of Chad the luser furiously pounding Alt-F1
> while cursing Linus Torvalds, casting baleful looks at the XP Beta
> sitting on a shelf. LOL!
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Still chortling here. You would think he'd at least buy one book about
Linux and read it.
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:31:33 -0500
Roger Perkins wrote:
>
> Gee. I taught at my local university. Kids like you (except they have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's where most leftists like you like to hang out...it's easier to hide
from the light of truth in an environment like in the typical Humanities
department where very few grand theories are ever subjected to testing
against reality.
> gotten out of high school, of course). You don't even know that the Cuban
> Missile Crisis was between the US and the USSR, not Cuba. \
So, you're saying that Kruschev was having the missiles set up in Cuba
despite Castro's objections?
Interesting.
Do you have even a speck of evidence to support this?
>
> I just deal with what you write and it is patently ignorant and foolish.
> Like the Chinese take over of Panama. You never dealt with that, kid. But
> then, I really didn't expect you to be able to.
>
> You are on thin ice here, kid. When was the last time you were kicked off
> the playground?
Roger, when did you stop raping your daughter?
>
> Roger
> AIRBORNE!
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Roger Perkins wrote:
> > >
> > > aaron, aaron, aaron, your ass must be frostbitten hanging out the way it
> > > does. How does someone as stupid as you survive in the modern world.
> Now,
> > > I know that's now where you mind is, but still! You don't know history,
> you
> > > don't know politics, you certainly don't know the military but you
> insist on
> > > shooting your mouth off.
> >
> > False premise,
> >
> >
> > Ah yes, Roger's favorite method of debate..
> >
> > Proof by ... assertion.
> >
> >
> > Check out the local university and see if the philosophy department has
> > a course on logic and epistomology.
> >
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > AIRBORNE!
> >
> > What happened....cutoff the oxygen to your brain for too long from
> > getting your head caught in the shroud lines....
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Ian Davey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >He's gonna use nukes against an invasion force on his own beaches,
> > > > > >so that the fallout can blow all over the island, making the entire
> > > > > >place uninhabitable....
> > > > >
> > > > > You're obviously misunderstanding how Nuclear weapons are used for
> > > defence.
> > > > > See the Cold War for instance. It's a case of "hit me and I'll
> launch my
> > > > > Nuclear arsenals at your cities". I can't believe you thought he
> meant
> > > the
> > > > > above... not even Castro would have been that stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Yeah...right...you're a loony you are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Remember...several MILLION Americans took an oath to defend the
> > > Constitution
> > > > > >from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So...when we line you up against the wall....don't forget
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I TOLD YOU SO.
> > > > >
> > > > > What, is America a dictatorship now. When did that happen? Or are do
> you
> > > > > see the US turning into a dictatorship in the future? Interesting...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No...but the penalty for treason still includes death by firing squad.
> > > > And if it's wartime, drawing-and-quartering is ALSO a valid penalty.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ian.
> > > > >
> > > > > \ /
> > > > > (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> > > > > /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> > > > > | |
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> > K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:35:40 -0500
Roger Perkins wrote:
>
> Lets see... anti-constitutional subversive activity. Like you saying those
> who believe in a different economic system should be shot? Now that's real
If implementation of that economic system is fundamentally opposed to
the concepts of liberty guaranteed by the constitution, what would
*YOU* call it, oh dear legendary-professor-in-his-own-mind.
> "constitutional" of you, aaron. You can't have it both ways -
> constitutionally and your way. And that is why you are considered ignorant
> and a nazi by the adults here.
Ah yes...whenever a leftist starts losing, the first thing he does
is accuse his opponent of being a Nazi.
For your information, clueless one, Nazis and Communists are ideological
cousins. You *DO* remember that Staling ordered the Communists in Germany
to vote for Hitler....don't you.
Why?... because He preferred that the Germans have a right-wing SOCIALIST
government as an interim step.
It's sooooo much easier to sell the masses on left-wing socialism if
Freedom is no longer an option.
But of course, you knew this already....didn't you.
>
> At least.
>
> Roger
> AIRBORNE!
^^^^^^^^
Proof?
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ian Davey wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> What, is America a dictatorship now. When did that happen? Or are do
> you
> > > >> see the US turning into a dictatorship in the future? Interesting...
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >No...but the penalty for treason still includes death by firing squad.
> > >
> > > Treason involves more than just expressing views though, otherwise that
> is the
> > > behaviour shown by a dictatorship.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > However true-believers like this "Barry Manilow" character....engage
> > in enough anti-constitutional subversive activity to make it legitimate.
> >
> > The hard part is getting the evidence on WHO is doing WHAT exactly.
> >
> > >
> > > >And if it's wartime, drawing-and-quartering is ALSO a valid penalty.
> > >
> > > Ouch, drawing-and-quartering isn't much fun...
> >
> > It is if you're the guy who gets to crack the whip!
> >
> > >
> > > ian.
> > >
> > > \ /
> > > (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> > > /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> > > | |
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:32:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Communism is a utopian idea which is completely incompatible with
> human nature. Hence any attempt to implement it will end in either
> capitulation or tyranny. Generally the latter, as anyone driven to
> take power is not likely to give it up.
That's a tad simplistic. Human nature is not necessarily incompatible
with socialism or communism, but Marxian communism ignored culture and
politics in its focus on economic determinism. It also, in its
Leninists variants, saw the state as being able to enforce a complete
change in society, something that does indeed lead to tyranny. If any
kind of socialism is ever to be achieved, it will have to be democratic
and chosen, not enforced. I suspect that is still generations away.
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