Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #33 Mon, 2 Apr 01 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal)
Re: Communism (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Interesting Article (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft has gone insane (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (GreyCloud)
Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:40:45 GMT
Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:07:14
>"Jeffrey Siegal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> > Exactly how do you imagine a separate library that existed before
>> > the GPL'd component would become 'derived from' this GPL'd
>> > component if they happen to be linked together at some future date?
>>
>> It does not.
>
>Then by what claim can the FSF say that separately distributing a
> 'user-does-the-link' kit where the usr obtains his own copy
>of the GPL'd material is in any way a violation?
Linking by definition cannot make a piece of software derivative. It is
in being literally "based on" the other work. Unfortunately, software
has a functional nature, as well as artistic integrity, so being "based
on" becomes problematic. The FSF believe that it includes writing a
program which calls code in a library. This makes the program
derivative of the library, because the only reason anyone has for
obtaining this software, in general, is because of its functionality.
Therefore, to allow the author of the program to potentially profit from
the functionality of the library is contrary to the purpose of
copyright.
The software becomes derivative when it is written, not when it finally
physically combined with the library, through whatever means.
>> > Yet the GPL prohibits distribution of GPL'd components that link
>> > to anything but standard system libraries.
>>
>> Exactly. The GPL's terms apply to the GPLed code, not to the separate
>> library. If you want to distribute the GPLed code, you must also
>> distribute the source code to the entire program under the terms of the
>> GPL, including any libraries used by the program (ignoring the GPL's
>> exceptions).
>
>What if you don't want to distribute GPLed code, but you want the
>user to obtain his own copy and use it by linking it with another
>component under either less or more restrictive terms?
Why would you want to do that? Seriously, I would like to know there
might be some rational reason before considering the metaphysics of it.
>> This is an obligation on the distributor of the GPLed
>> code, nothing more. If he can't meet this obligation, then he can't
>> distribute the GPLed code.
>
>That alone is enough to make the 'free' label a clear deception,
No, freedom always comes with obligations.
>but
>the FSF's claim of control over things that do not contain a copy
>of the covered material is even more problematic. How can
>anyone believe these people are reasonable?
Because they're not the ones who made the rules about what constitutes
"derivative works", though they are the ones who are applying it. The
law allows just the case you claim: infringement without a literal copy.
If you disagree with how they're applying it, which is to say that a
program is derived from the libraries it uses, you have merely to show
in court that it is not valid. But the lack of legal precedent leaves
you constantly befuddled about it. Leading to your desire to deride
those who feel they understand it well enough to consider it quite
reasonable.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Jeffrey Siegal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:44:51 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> but using this trick he has convinced himself
> that time travel has a bearing on copyright law.
Never mind. Sorry for barging in.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 02 Apr 2001 06:44:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Communism
>Simple. Under capitalist free-market systems, you can't LEGALLY get
>somebody's money from them without giving them something that they
>value even more than the money.
However, that also means that it's easier to get more money out of people by
encouraging ignorance (about appropriate values and alternatives) and
artificial scarcity. Both things that I would expect a reasonable society to
want to combat. Not really a net gain.
>
>Thus, the easiest LEGAL way to fulfill one's desires and greed is to
>serve other people.
"serve" can easily become "bilk".
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Interesting Article
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 00:59:10 -0700
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> Carl Banks wrote:
> >
> > Here's an interesting article I found about free softwore development.
> > Pretty interesting. It talks about Linus a little further down. Sort
> > of long, though.
> >
> > April 1, 2001
>
> Hahaha! It actually had me going for a minute.
>
Yes. I don't believe in much on the 1st of April... besides Linus isn't
like that according to the Transmeta people.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft has gone insane
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 01:00:12 -0700
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Do you know where I can get Mozilla for Solaris 8 x86??
> >
> I'd say, according to the Mozilla website, it should build on all Unices,
> if you have the requisite libraries and tools installed. Don't know what
> Solaris 8 has or has not, but there are no prebuilt binaries, so you are
> going to have to compile it yourself.
> Build dependencies and instructions are on:
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/build/unix-details.html
>
> HTH,
>
> Mart
>
> PS: a word of warning, this beast is HUGE. on my PC (500Mhz Pentium III
> with 128M) a stripped down build (no mail, news, no debugging code) takes
> about 1.5 hours.
>
> --
> Write in C, write in C,
> Write in C, yeah, write in C.
> Only wimps use BASIC, Write in C.
> http://www.orca.bc.ca/spamalbum/
Ok. Thanks for the link.
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:16:53 -0400
Brian Turner wrote:
>
> > why do you use refer to him as "Gorby"...are you and him, like, secret
> > homosexual lovers or something?
>
> actually, it was because of laziness not wanting to type it out, or think
> about the correct spelling. But nice smear, it always is a good substitute
> for a rational point.
Actually, I just did it for comedic effect.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:22:38 -0400
Roger Perkins wrote:
>
> Just for fun, can we skip the word games on democracy and republic? The
> word are normally used interchangeably when discussing our political system.
Only by Fools, and Propagandists.
Which are you, Perko?
> Only PoliSci geeks worry about the difference between the two. This is like
> aaron worrying about communism vs socialism.
>
> Roger "I vas just vollowink ORDERS!" Perkins
> AIRBORNE!
^^^^^^^^
CHAIRBORNE!
>
> "Paul Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On 1 Apr 2001 00:27:08 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >In comp.os.linux.advocacy Paul Holloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >: If you don't have a viable solution, then you're part of the problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >There is a great solution. It's called the Constitution. It is the
> > >highest law of the land, and anything contrary to it is null and void.
> > >
> > >I'm sworn to defend it, and that is why I oppose those who have
> > >knowingly and actively violated it for their own personal gain.
> > >
> > >Most of those who get labeled as "anti-government" actually favor
> > >lawful, Constitutional government. What they oppose is the current
> > >oligarchy masquerading as a democracy, most of whose actions are
> > >obviously and blatantly unlawful. And on that point at least I'm with
> > >them 100%.
> > >
> > >
> > >Joe
> >
> > Ok, troll boy, I'll give you have a chance here.
> >
> > What major Constitutional violations are currently being perpetrated?
> >
> > How do we currently have an "oligarchy".
> >
> > By the way, the US is not a democracy, it's a republic. Maybe you
> > meant "......masquerading as a republic?".
> >
> >
> > "May you always have fair winds and following seas.."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:25:05 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Gunner© in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:43:20
> >Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> >>> Actually, brainwashing is much easier to accomplish than you
> >>> might think.
> >>
> >>The military is quite good at it.
> >>
> >Evidently.. so is the DNC....
>
> That's the DNRC, but now we're going to have to kill you, and everyone
^^^^
Dogbert's New Ruling Class?
Bwaaaaaaahahahahah.
> who reads this message.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,uk.misc,24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:25:46 -0400
True Patriot wrote:
>
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:26:33 -0700, Gunner© <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Said Gunner© in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:43:20
> >>>Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>>>> Actually, brainwashing is much easier to accomplish than you
> >>>>> might think.
> >>>>
> >>>>The military is quite good at it.
> >>>>
> >>>Evidently.. so is the DNC....
> >>
> >>That's the DNRC, but now we're going to have to kill you, and everyone
> >>who reads this message.
> >
> >bring a lunch.
> >
> >Gunner
> >
> bring me a beer gunner, you lazy little piece of shit. None of that american
> piss either, I want a beer I can taste. Now move it, boy.
>
> ***The NRA: Teaching Children To Shoot Each Other Responsibly***
If the target is a leftist like you, then yes, that's a responsible shot.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 01:26:58 -0700
Charles Lyttle wrote:
>
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> >
> > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote
> > >>
> > >>I have two IDENTICAL machines at home...one with Linux, one with
> > >>Windows.
> > >>
> > >>The Linux machine is stable. I have tried every hardware swap
> > >>imaginable between these two machines to get either
> > >>
> > >>a) the Windows98 machine to quit crashing, or
> > >>b) the Linux machine to start crashing.
> > >>
> > >>So far, I have yet to discover *ANY* combination of hardware which
> > >>improves the reliability of Windows, nor *ANY combination of the SAME
> > >>PIECES OF HARDWARE which provokes Linux to crash.
> > >>
> > >>I even thought of the possibility that Windows makes the CPU get hotter:
> > >>The Windows machine even has more fans (about DOUBLE the air-flow rate
> > >>through the case).
> > >
> >
> > Well, well, Aaron,
> > now it gets funny. *You* as "Unix System engineer" should know that
> > a machine running Win98 (the one your Netscape is running on) *do*
> > run hotter than the same machine running linux, because the wintendo-OS´s
> > simply *never* put the processor into HALT. It is running all the time
> > full speed ahead.
> >
>
> It is true that Win98 runs the processor pretty much full power.
> Unfortunately, it does so even if no user applications are running, only
> the OS. The CPU load is still reported as "0" though.
>
That's because the default monitor is faulty. I tried TaskManager2000
and it shows the various processes as either idle or a very small (<1%)
use. Even the MSCEs acknowledge this point.
> > I would have expected to have at least that basic knowledge from someone
> > claiming to have written his own little multiuser/multitasking system,
> > another lie from our beloved war hero, who still hasn´t figured out how
> > to get rid of his absurd Sig.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > --
> > Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
>
> --
> Russ Lyttle
> "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:30:25 -0400
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> : On Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : > I'd say it's noteworthy in light of Microsoft's expensive, prime-time
> : > television ads touting their software's ability to handle anything the
> : > Internet thows at them. According to these ads, maintaining a gigantic
> : > internet presence is a piece of cake for W2k.
> : >
> : > I mean, if they're not really up to dealing with the large internet
> : > loads that their software is supposed to handle; where did they get the
> : > expertise to design the software in the first place?
> : >
> : > Seems rather circular to me.
>
> : Using the word 'expertise' is the hole in your circle. M$ tends to
> : design crap: they can mimick OS/2 Warp with crap like W95 but any fool
>
> Oh how I love posts like this.
>
> Now, please explain exactly how Windows95 mimicks
> OS/2 Warp. Please explain exactly how Open32 is
> related to Win32 in any way, shape, or form.
>
> : can tell the difference. They take BSD code to tighten up NT4 and end
> : up with W2000, still a marginal OS. All that matters is the name on a
>
> Really now. I would also ask how in the hell
> you've determined that Microsoft has merely
> implemented some 4.4BSD code in order to
> get Windows2000. Do you have access to the
> WindowsNT v4.0 and v5.0 source trees?
the "strings" command finds embedded strings in ANY file, including
compiled executables and dll files.
"Copyright (C), Regents of the University of California" strings have
been found in Mafia$oft's DLL files.
Hope that helps.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:35:26 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> gbp wrote:
> >
> > >There are many RISC processors out there, HP PA-RISC, IBM 603-604
> > series
> > >RISC, MIPS, Sparc, Alpha and a few others I can't recall. Intel is
> > the
> > >only one I know of still clinging to CISC ideas.
> > >The list goes on. Why do you think so many computer companies have
> > >favored RISC then?
> >
> > Its my understanding that intel considers itself to be essentially
> > _stuck_ with CISC since existing PC software depends on the CISC
> > intruction set of the 386+. So since they already were firmly in
> > the CISC camp their designers added even more (a lot more!)
> > instructions to the chips to try to improve them that way.
> >
> > These improvements assume that compilers will take advantage of all
> > these instructions. In their case it seems like a fairly safe bet.
>
> Thats a good point. I'd much prefer a compiler thats been time tested
> without having the cpu vendor keep adding on more instructions that will
> eventually obsolete my compiler. The down side to CISC is the amount of
> silicon real-estate needed for all these instructions, ending up instead
> with a space heater. Remember the 6502? Most of its instructions
> completed in 1 or 2 clock cycles and a few in 3. The apple II doing
> graphics did a fair job at 1Mhz in those days. I think Intel is the
> only cpu vendor left using CISC.
Actually, I liked the VAX-11 instructions set, becuase a good portion
of the standard C library functions could each be implemented as a single
line of assembly language...meaning that all of these things (like
strchr()) were executed at the microcode level.
The problem is, no compiler writer ever took advantage of this, which
is truly a pity.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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