Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 15:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What does XP stands for ??? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More microsoft innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Jon Johansan")
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Jon Johansan")
Re: Windows makes good coasters
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Jon Johansan")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Jon Johansan")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Jon Johansan")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Jon Johansan")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:25:40 +0200
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b2a2f5c$0$817$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9garkb$ne0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:00 -0500, Chad Myers
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Since when has accuracy or truth mattered to Netcraft?
> > >
> > > Since when have they mattered to you?
> >
> > Since when have they mattered to anyone on this groups?
>
> Matters to me. I was under the impression it mattered to you Ayende. Isn't
> that why we post here?
If accuracy was my goal, I would've gone and read boring white papers. :-)
Or visit non advocacy groups. In which I mostly lurk.
These groups are about advocacy, not accuracy.
I'm here because often enough, the discussions are interesting, and it's a
nice diversion from code that would probably be better understand if it were
in micro-code.
I read SF for the same reason.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:28:50 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:52:25 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS
> >> > completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant,
> >and
> >> > now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then
as
> >> > well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> How many complete, and utter luser/morons do you see using UNIX?
> >
> >Well, Aaron says he uses *nix...
>
> Exceptions don't make rules.
He didn't ask for the rule, he asked for utter luser/morons using Unix.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks.
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:29:28 +0200
"Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9gddqd$gom$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "top@pp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with
> > sites like yahoo that only supports windows.
> >
> > click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported
> > on windoz.
> >
> > http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763&aid=5016
> >
> > yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its
> > web pages to one platform.
>
> They are not stupid.
>
> They are smart.
>
> They tailor their business to 90% of the browsers out there.
>
> Ever heard of the 80-20 rule? A good rule to abide by.
Stupid rule, those are *never* the same 20%.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:44:35 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Also, you can't pirate a book!
alt.binaries.e-book
You most certainly can.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:49:11 -0500
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dan wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Surely you see the difference in a browser implementation where you
build
> > > in the function of setting colors and fonts and changing the content.
> > > Netscape has this "What's related", it's basicvally the same thing as
NS is
> > > pulling, but it's -awa- from the webpage. Changing colors and fonts
are for
> > > some a neccesity in order to read your page. Autodetecting words and
> > > linking them to MS sites falls into the "bad sport" arena, and they
should
> > > have made a different implementation of that idea.
> >
> > I think you still don't understand what the Smart Tags do.
> >
> > The "content" of a page is not changed.
>
> The page IS changed. If a link, that I did not write, is inserted into a
> page that I wrote and served, my page has been changed without my
> permission.
Well, considering that it doesn't insert a new link into your page, then I
guess you have nothing to complain about. It shows a slightly different
presentation which is not a link, it is a hover area where when you hover
the mouse over it, a button appear, then you click on the button to display
the links in a different page.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:52:38 -0500
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, "DLL Hell" is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or
> XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front
> page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/):
>
> "gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare
>
> gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The
> executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of
> course, with the right version."
>
> I'm sorry but... har! har! har!
>
> "Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of
> them."
>
> Sure, just upgrade
>
> "Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed
> to this sort of problem. "
Version hell (as it should be called) is nothing new to DLLs. All shared
library environments encounter it at some point or another. Even Java has
this problem to some extent. Of course, it's vogue to just bash MS
for it, because they are the root of all evil, right?
-c
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:54:15 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:gpqW6.288698$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> You obviously don't know what "DLL Hell" is. It's more
> insidious than excessive dependencies.
Oh, I do. Do you?
>
> As for gnucash, it *was* a nightmare to get working last time
> I installed it from source. If I want to try it again, I'll
> just do it through a package manager (I'm a debian user):
>
> apt-cache showpkg gnucash
> ...
> Dependencies:
> 1.4.12-1 - gdk-imlib1 (2 1.9.10-3) libart2 (2 1.2.13-6) libaudiofile0 (0
> (null)) libc6 (2 2.2.3-1) libdb3 (2 3.2.9-1) libesd0 (18 0.2.20)
> libesd-alsa0 (2 0.2.20) libglib1.2 (2 1.2.0) libgnome32 (2 1.2.13-6)
> libgnomesupport0 (2 1.2.13-6) libgnomeui32 (2 1.2.13-6) libgtk1.2 (2
> 1.2.10-1) libgtkxmhtml1 (2 1.2.13-6) libguile9 (2 1:1.4-11) libjpeg62 (0
> (null)) libpng2 (2 1.0.10) libxml1 (0 (null)) xlibs (4 4.0.3) zlib1g (2
> 1:1.1.3) libwww-perl (0 (null)) slib (0 (null)) scm (0 (null)) guile1.4 (0
> (null)) guile1.4-slib (0 (null)) perl (0 (null)) eperl (0 (null))
> libgwrapguile0 (2 0.9.1) gnuplot (0 (null))
>
> Wow, that is a lot of dependencies. Good thing the
> package manager takes care of it all automatically.
>
Well, you make it sound as if that's all there is to it. You just install
the specific versions of the libraries this application needs. ... uummm,
what about the OTHER applications you have that might need OTHER specific
versions of libraries? Oh yea... DLL hell.... you are welcome to it, we're
past that.
> Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> > Well, "DLL Hell" is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000
or
> > XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the
> > front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/):
> >
> > "gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare
> >
> > gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell.
> > The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all,
> > of course, with the right version."
> >
> > I'm sorry but... har! har! har!
> >
> > "Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not
all
> > of them."
> >
> > Sure, just upgrade
> >
> > "Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are
> > accustomed to this sort of problem. "
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:56:16 -0500
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Well, "DLL Hell" is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000
or
> > XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the
front
> > page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/):
> >
> > "gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare
> >
> > gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell.
The
> > executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of
> > course, with the right version."
> >
> > I'm sorry but... har! har! har!
> >
> > "Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not
all of
> > them."
> >
> > Sure, just upgrade
> >
> > "Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are
accustomed
> > to this sort of problem. "
>
> apt-get install gnucash
>
> Where's the problem?
Obviously LWN has it all wrong as does /. according to you...
but, ok, so that installs gnucash and it's very specific versions of
libraries. But, um, what happened to your other applications that need other
very specific versions of those same libraries?
The funny part is that when DLL hell wasn't a phrase yet and Win95 was new
and these things were first mentioned, we (Windows advocates) too laughed
and said, "Setup.exe - where's the problem?" and didn't get it. Well, we
lived through it and it sucked. Pretend it isn't an issue... be our
guests...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:59:33 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:36 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:52:56 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ()) wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13:28 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>>And some of us have better things to spend £30 on than things that
>>>>>shouldn't have to be done in the first place.
>>>>
>>>>and would rather whine and bitch, valueing one's time at $2/hr.
>>>
>>>What the hell are you talking about?
>>
>>whining and bitching and struggling for 16 hours vs. plopping $30 down
>>for a real modem. (albeit a used 56K modem)
>
>Why should I have to spend $30 in the first place?
Sure. One's time isn't worth $2/hr and it's so much more fun to whine
and bitch instead of taking a simple cheap solution.
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:00:08 -0500
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9gddbc$e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:46:41 +1000;
> >> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> On 11 Jun 2001 11:10:02 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> >> ("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> In article <9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >> >> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels
Encyclopedia,
> >> >> >thrown
> >> >> >> >onto CD by Microsoft.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's
marketing
> >> >> >> agenda.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Untrue - prove your claim!
> >> >>
> >> >> Prove they haven't.
> >> >
> >> >ah the very long task challenge that would take too long any way to
win
> > the
> >> >argument.
> >> >and being an reference source it should have changed (updated with
> > current
> >> >knowledge where appropriate)
> >> >
> >> >the best way to lie is to tell the truth unconvincingly
> >> >the second best way is to tell a almost truth. (a version of the
truth)
> >>
> >> You're sputtering. The fact is, MS *has* changed, added, deleted, and
> >> modified content according to their marketing strategy, with little or
> >> no regard for factual integrity.
>
> > Oh no, not so fast:
>
> > It IS fact that whomever writes the content for Encarta under employ by
MS
> > DOES change, add and delete that content. yes, true.
>
> > It is NOT fact that this is done "according to their marketing
strategy" - I
> > do not believe that claim and ask you to prove it.
>
> Actually, it is a fairly well known *fact* that every single company that
> controls content of *any* of their products does so for one of two
reasons:
>
> 1. market strategy
> 2. stratified legalities
>
> You need to go to business school.
Putting aside that I disagree with your *OPINION*; even if it were true that
wouldn't necessarily mean that they change content solely to drive their own
market strategy. If so, then there is no source of content on the planet
that is accurate - it's all biased towards whomever it's own is. I know that
is not true so your claim is invalid already.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:52:22 +0200
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b2a2b14$0$853$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It IS fact that whomever writes the content for Encarta under employ by MS
> DOES change, add and delete that content. yes, true.
>
> It is NOT fact that this is done "according to their marketing strategy" -
I
> do not believe that claim and ask you to prove it.
>
> Factual integrity is something that can be literally assertained. Find a
> factual error and unless you can prove that it is intentionally inaccurate
I
> would say you are again wrong. Find me a printed encyclopedia that does
not
> contain some factual error - would you claim the reason for the factual
> error is because of bias on the part of the publishers/authors - or that
> it's just an error that needs to be fixed.
>
> Paranoia is a treatable disease...
Facts mean little, you can turn the *meaning* of those facts around very
easily.
I present this as proof:
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0105/amnesty.shtml
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:55:34 +0200
"Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9gd42g$3bj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine.
> > > Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar
> > > things would fall under fair use.
> > >
> > > Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do
have
> > > the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly
> > > not fall under that doctrine.
> > >
> > > Your analogy stinks.
> >
> > Don't I, as the user, have a right to *want* those smart tags?
> >
> >
>
> Sure. It should be something that you can _choose_ to install. It should
> not be installed by default.
It's off by default.
> AND, it should not be something that a monopoly controls. Even if you
> choose to install it, it's unethical (at best) for Microsoft to be able
> to create the smart links where they could create a link to their own
> site every time the word "Macintosh" appears or a link to the American
> Cancer Society every time Linux appears or other shenanigans.
All MS does is to supply a stock of words for the smart tags.
You, and anybody else, can add your own.
Cool off with the paranoia.
> Microsoft is a monopoly and should not have the ability to control the
> entire world's web use.
They don't have the ability to control the entire world's web use.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:57:47 +0200
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine.
> > > Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar
> > > things would fall under fair use.
> > >
> > > Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do
have
> > > the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly
> > > not fall under that doctrine.
> > >
> > > Your analogy stinks.
> >
> > Don't I, as the user, have a right to *want* those smart tags?
>
> You do not have the right to change my intellectual property, unless I
> grant you that right.
Google change the look of pages, as does anonymizer.com, should they be sued
as well?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:59:20 +0200
"Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > Microsoft isn't changing anything. *I* changed the appearance on
*my*
> > > > computer. I can also turn off graphics, sounds, videos, change
fonts
> > > > and sizes, background colors, etc.
> > >
> > > You as the user have the right to do that under fair use doctrine.
> > >
> > > Microsoft does not have the right to do that for millions of users.
> >
> > Again Joe, Microsoft didn't do anything. *I* did by turning on the
> > feature. Just as *I* can "change your page" by changing fonts, colors,
> > turning off graphics, sounds, etc. There is no difference.
>
> Go read up on Fair Use.
>
> You as the user have different rights than a third party would.
No third party involved here.
> Furthmore, Microsoft most certainly _did_ make a change. Copyright law
> doesn't care whether you turned the feature on or not. The fact that it
> exists at all is a violation of the author's copyright.
No, MS gave you the tool to make the change, it didn't make the change.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:58:30 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > I've already tried. Product is too old for them to update and I can't
> > > download 175Mb of sp5 down over a 28.8 link. I was even willing to
> > > spend a mere $5 on a CD and MS refused because I didn't renew my msdn
> > > subscription. I will move over to Metrowerks in due time as its found
> > > on a lot of different platforms.
> >
> > Huh? You get the service packs free with MSDN, you only have to pay the
$5
> > if you're not an MSDN member. That makes no sense.
>
> The web-site didn't make any sense either... I guess someone over there
> at MS better take another look at their web site. But I do know that
> the issue is being solved for me. I hate to throw out all of my tools
> just yet. Ever since 1986 I've been buying their compilers and have a
> large investment in them... but that may change if the DOJ upsets MS
> applecart. I really am not sure what effect that will have on the
> markets.
You misread the page.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/sp/vs6sp5/ordering.asp
The part which talks about qualification is to *AUTOMATICALLY* recieve SP5.
If you do not qualify for those, then you must order it on their page.
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:04:09 -0500
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 15 Jun 2001 10:29:20 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > contains more diverse types of information?
> >> >
> >> > there is a decision to be made here?
> >>
> >> No. The hard copy is far superior, if you can afford it.
> >
> >I do not believe the hard copy is superior, let alone "far superiour"
> >
> >The hard copy (printed) cannot play the sound whales make or let me watch
> >the Zapruder film to judge whether he recoiled backwards from a front
side
> >bullet strike.
>
> Wow, that's really important.
I gave some examples. Tell me ANYTHING about a printed copy that is better
than the electronic version.
>
> > hard copy does not make it effortless to jump from one topic
> >to a related and hyperlinked other topic (likely in a seperate volume).
Hard
>
> You're right. Actually looking something up in an index is SO
> difficult.
Not difficult - more time consuming. And I didn't say index did I? To use an
index properly you would have to know all the related terms in advance. What
if you were researching a topic and there were some "Related Items" links
that included items you had no idea were associated with the topic at hand.
An index in that case would be utterly useless.
>
> >copy is out of date by the time it leaves the printing press and is
> >delivered to me.
>
> What? By the time it's delivered, what's out of date? Has something in
> history suddenly changed?
Um. Yes, history does change suddenly. Daily or even hourly one might
suggest. The faster your content can be updated the better. CD+Internet is
considerably faster than waiting for a new edition to be pressed.
>
> >Hard copy does not link to the Internet where the most
> >recent news can be found.
>
> Recent news? "News" is hardly something you would include in an
> encyclopedia.
"News" related to your topioc would be of great value - consider it a value
an encyclopedia could not include. If you were reading about cloning and
there is a breakthrough in cloning on the internet - would you rather wait a
year or two for the new edition of the encyclopedia (and would you
know/remember to look it up) or have a hotlink to look it up instantly.
>
> >I do not agree with you, even ignoring price.
>
> Ignoring price? How much would it cost to print out an entire DVD
> encyclopedia? And then to hole-punch/bind it all?
Invalid. No desire to print it or bind it. This is like saying "What good is
that car if you can't fry eggs in the glovebox?"
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:05:03 -0500
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 15 Jun 2001 10:31:03 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9g7msk$94t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >>> there is a decision to be made here?
> >> >>
> >> >>No. The hard copy is far superior, if you can afford it.
> >> >
> >> > No, it's not.
> >>
> >> It is in some ways. Print is much easier to read than a
> >> computer screen due having a much higher resoulution and contrast.
> >
> >Obviously you have never read from a LCD screen using ClearType. Whoa!
>
> Better than paper? I think not.
Then you've not seen it. Better? Not often but sometimes. Equal? Yes.
Plus - you may have heard of this - it can show motion video.
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:05:13 -0500
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:10:10 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >> Also, books are better in that you don't have to launch up your
> >computer
> >> >> etc every time you want to look at something, and the pictures are
> >> >> generally better quality.
> >> >
> >> >That is true.
> >>
> >> Also, you can't pirate a book!
> >
> >I just typed "book" into Agent and found out yes indeedy you can pirate a
> >book. You can pirate A LOT of books.
>
> How do you do that?
Books are available on-line, including e-books or just the text of a book.
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