Linux-Advocacy Digest #325, Volume #33 Tue, 3 Apr 01 16:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (User Bobkeys BSD Bob the
old greybeard BSD freak)
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? ("Beth")
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? ("Beth")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? ("2 + 2")
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Toby A Inkster Esq)
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? (none)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Toby A Inkster Esq)
Re: Democratic Republics (Was: Communism, etc.) (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (GreyCloud)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Roy Culley)
Re: Communism confession
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Mark Watson")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Zed Mister")
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin)
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From: User Bobkeys BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 3 Apr 2001 16:48:16 GMT
In comp.unix.advocacy Pete Mullins <pmullin@> wrote:
> Regardless of how Word users look, they expect the documents that they
> receive can be opened and intelligible. Since everyone uses Word, this can
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Where do I find ``Word'' on my UNIX box? I must be missing something?
Just curious....
Bob
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Reply-To: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:58:27 +0100
Frank van Moorsel wrote:
> gbp wrote:
> > Ever use an ATM? Does it use MS-Windows? No it does not. Neither
> > do a lot of systems you seem to think 'have no software'.
>
> ATM as in Automated Teller Machine???? If u mean this then I have to
> disappoint u (or not depends on your oppioniun about MS), anyway there are
> Automated Teller Machines running on MS-Windows!!!! Years ago I even saw
an
> ATM running on DOS........
Frank's got it right, I'm afraid to say...I once used an ATM that has a
Windows dialogue box complaining of a "missing component" across the
screen...the ATM still actually worked, mind you, it just had this big
dialogue box covering half the screen, so unless you knew which options to
pick then it'd be useless because you couldn't read them...
This was a NatWest ATM in the UK, btw...but that bank isn't reknowned for
high-quality service...lol :)
Beth :)
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Reply-To: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:04:29 +0100
Josiah Fizer wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:39:20 -0400, Eric Remy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <uIey6.30406$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "gbp"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>When Windows 3.1 was king OS users claimed they could run win3.1
> >>programs faster than Windows users could. I assume they were
> >>telling the truth, I've never meet one in person (because no one
> >>uses OS/2)!
> >
> >We were out there.
> >
> >IBM killed OS/2 in large part. The Workplace Shell was amazing (Still
> >more advanced than Explorer) but when originally shipped wasn't exactly
> >the most stable creature. Add to that the high cost of getting
> >development tools from IBM compared to MS and the lack of effective
> >marketing. (OS/2 Fiesta Bowl ?!?)
> >
>
> I recall MS handing out dev tools free at schools while IBM (viewing
> it as another source of retinue) was charging 500$ with a student
> discount.
Yes; When I mentioned this before, people misunderstood what I meant by
it...so I'll be careful in my phrasiology this time...basically, M$ use
"drug-dealer" tactics...now, last time I said that people were totally
misunderstanding me...what I mean is that they give away free "tasters" and
such to get you "hooked" (that is, all your data in Excel, Media Player or
Word formata :) then make you pay through the nose later when you have no
choice left...
Obviously, it's not quite an exact parallel here (which is what caused the
problem last time...people thought I was making a direct comparison) but the
basic idea of "free now but pay later and forevermore afterwards" applies to
both...different products, similar tactics :)
Beth :)
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks,comp.arch
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:20:57 -0400
Jonathan Thornburg wrote in message <9ad4u3$v9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>modern "RISC-based" CPUs are indistinguishable
>>from modern "CISC-based" CPUs.
>
>In article <9a5cl7$mlu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Mats Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pointed out that
>> Almost indistinguishable. The "CISC" ones have a CISC->RISC
translation
>>stage when code is loaded from memory. Costs a bit, but nowadays more than
>>offset by being on the leading edge process wise.
>
>The article
> http://www.realworldtech.com/insider/RISC-vs-CISC-1.cfm
> "RISC vs. CISC Still Matters"
> By Paul DeMone, Feb 13, 2000
>gives a nice introduction to this.
Interesting article.
Try this link
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT021300000000
"The heated competition between Intel and AMD for the lucrative and high
volume PC marketplace has pushed x86 CISC ISA-based microprocessors into
0.18 um CMOS processes well ahead of any RISC ISA-based processor. Besides
higher clock rates, 0.18 um CMOS also permits the integration of large (256
Kbyte) and highly associative, low latency L2 caches within the processor.
As a result, x86 processors have temporarily eclipsed the integer
performance of virtually every RISC processor. However, as always, x86
processors are hopelessly behind nearly every non-embedded control RISC
processor family in floating point performance.
There is no doubt about the power and influence of the x86 processor market
within the semiconductor industry. Last year over 100 million x86 processors
were sold bringing in well over $20 billion in revenue and $ billions in
profit. Contrast that to, say, the Compaq Alpha processor, which might sell
in the several hundred thousand devices per year range and bring in several
hundred millions of dollars of revenue to Compaq's semiconductor partners.
This is why new x86 cores come to market at a much faster pace than high-end
RISC processors and transition to newer and better semiconductor processes
with less delay."
Can Sun battle Intel in chips, IBM in the high end market and Microsoft in
the software platforms areas all at one time with profits in the Dell range
in a DOWNTURN?
2 + 2
>
>--
>-- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://www.thp.univie.ac.at/~jthorn/home.html
> Universitaet Wien (Vienna, Austria) / Institut fuer Theoretische Physik
> Q: Only 6 countries have the death penalty for children. Which are
they?
> A: Congo, Iran, Nigeria, (Pakistan[*]), Saudi Arabia, United States,
Yemen
> [*] Pakistan reportedly ended it in July 2000. -- Amnesty
International
>
http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/index/AMR511392000
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From: Toby A Inkster Esq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:21:48 +0100
In our last episode, Chad Everett wrote:
:On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:01:00 +0100, Toby A Inkster Esq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>In our last episode, Toby A Inkster Esq wrote:
:>
:>:In our last episode, Andy Walker wrote:
:>:
:>::Linux can't crash at random every five minutes.
:>:
:>:It can is you write your own "crash daemon" and run it under root.
:> ^^ (if!)
:>
:>Someone countered my "crash daemon" by saying that if you expect the
:>system to fail, then it hasn't *really* crashed.
:>
:>If I open up Netscape and point it at an HTML page that has a
:>JavaScript in it to reload the same page in a new window, Netscape
:>will crash (fairly quickly!). This is expected behaviour (expected by
:>me, anyway), but I would still call it a crash.
:>
:>I also know that I can kill Win98 by a careful combination of
:>connecting by WinModem to the net, forcibly killing (by alt-ctrl-del)
:>the dialer and then checking my mail with Netscape. It works almost
:>without fail and the only way to recover is by hitting reset. I think
:>even Gates himself wouldn't count this as a "feature". It's a crash,
:>although totally expected by myself, given the number of times I've
:>had to kill the MS dialer because it was hanging.
:>
:>-Toby Inkster ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
:
:But you're talking about crashing applications. I think the thread was
:discussing crashing the OS. There is a big difference. There are articles
:that explain a modification you can make to Win 2K to force a BSOD.
:On a Linux system you can execute: 'shutdown -h now', but I wouldn't
:call that a crash...it's just stopping the OS.
My second surefire crash does bring down my entire system, as I
stated.
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From: none <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:26:29 -0400
>Yes; When I mentioned this before, people misunderstood what I meant by
>it...so I'll be careful in my phrasiology this time...basically, M$ use
>"drug-dealer" tactics...now, last time I said that people were totally
>misunderstanding me...what I mean is that they give away free "tasters" and
>such to get you "hooked" (that is, all your data in Excel, Media Player or
>Word formata :) then make you pay through the nose later when you have no
>choice left...
You mean Microsoft is in the business of MAKING MONEY??? HOW DARE
THEY?! Why don't they just follow the lead of the .coms, give
everything away, and go out of business in a year?
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From: Toby A Inkster Esq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:28:18 +0100
In our last episode, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
:> I also know that I can kill Win98 by a careful combination of
:> connecting by WinModem to the net, forcibly killing (by alt-ctrl-del)
:> the dialer and then checking my mail with Netscape. It works almost
:> without fail and the only way to recover is by hitting reset. I think
:> even Gates himself wouldn't count this as a "feature". It's a crash,
:> although totally expected by myself, given the number of times I've
:> had to kill the MS dialer because it was hanging.
:
:It's only a crash if it's *not* the behavior you desire.
It's most certainly not the behaviour I desire, nor is it the
behaviour I would expect a stable system to exhibit, however, due to
the poor architecture of Win98, it *is* what I expect.
I'd much prefer to be able to kill my dialer and not worry about it
bringing down my entire system when Netscape next decided it was time
to check my pop server.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Democratic Republics (Was: Communism, etc.)
Date: 3 Apr 2001 19:38:30 GMT
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:08:47 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> They are probably immigrants. As you know, immigrants is just a code word
>> for "invading army", because there is no difference between one and the
>> other.
>
>LEGAL immigrants are ok...and by the way, I support INCREASING our
>immigration rates.
I'm not sure I follow this -- is it not true that your "invading army"
claim is based on the fact that illegal immigrants could also illegaly
act as an invading army (as in your example with Germany?) If immigrants
did the same thing without immigrating illegaly, would that make them
any less of an invading army ?
I'd offer a different view -- the difference between an invading army
and immigrants is that the army is organised. If immigrants came legally,
and were all following some large scale plan to compromise national
security, then that would be an "army". The illegal immigrants are just a
ragtag bunch of either opportunists or people who are very desperate to
get out of their country of citizenship. Either way, if they were an army,
trying to organise them would most certainly be an unenviable task.
As for increasing immigration rates, the funny thing about this is the
people who've made me more pro-immigration are the anti-immigration
protectionists (for example, the anti-H1B whiners who often troll
comp.lang.c++). These people are such an illiterate bunch of incurable
morons that I've come to realise that incompetence is the leading cause
of unemployment in the high tech business.
#include <std_rant_about_the_protectionist_losers.h>
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:36:31 -0700
Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
>
> Beth,
>
> We would love to answer your arguments, but there are none.
> Please, state your position and we would gladly answer.
> As to the "Americanocentricity" - we are discussing here US affairs and you
> are welcome to comment,
> but we would rather not change the subject and suddenly turn it into am
> international argument.
> Internationality of US Constitution is purely in its influence on other
> countries Constitution which is enormous.
>
> BTW, US Constitution applies not to citizens, but to territory. If you are a
> foreigner standing on the US ground, ship or airplane you are under the
> protection of the US Constitution.
> Some language in your message in quite alarming. US Constitution says
> nothing about respecting other views. The same way it does not say anything
> about washing your hands. Nobody can make anybody respect anything.
> Constitutions usually address the issue of rights, and being respected is
> not one, fortunately. I can just imagine the horror it will lead to in
> litigation nightmare.
>
> I would also encourage you to look up the definitions and the history of the
> word fascism, which you use quite haphazardly. Fascism is collectivism, in
> Italian. The origin is Italian from fasci - the bunch of thick twigs held
> together by ropes. Fasci were used since ancient times in warfare to shield
> infantry from arrows and other purposes. The ancient Rome adopted fasci with
> in combination with a battle ax a symbol of Rome's democratic power. The
> symbolism was in graphic idea that many a fragile twig, that anyone can
> break individually, when tighten and held together present serious
> challenge.
> In Mussolini times the fasci symbol was transferred as unity and
> single-mindedness of nationalistic movement.
> In Italy you had to be Italian to be a member of dictating majority, but in
> Germany you have to be Aryan, not just German.
> That is why more appropriate word for German fascists is Nazi, as they were
> members of German National -Socialist Workers Party.
> The same way Communism and Socialism are collectivisms, but not based on the
> national or racial, but class identity.
> It is the dictatorship of "proletariat" or "working class" that is the
> central part of these forms of fascism (or collectivisms, if you do not like
> the Italian word).
> Many a contemporary socialist try to distance themselves from the fatherly
> embrace of Hitler or Marx, which they never did before the atrocities of
> Nazism and/or Communism were exposed and the World was shocked by Auschwitz
> and GULAG.
> However, they fail to demonstrate how their ideology is different from that
> of the founding fathers. They still believe in class warfare and
> redistribution of wealth as means to establish economic equality. In views
> of the Fathers of American Constitution the equality is expressed in
> equality of rights, freedom and the "pursuit of happiness". In fascists
> theories it is the happiness itself that is a right. Certainly lower classes
> accept that with great enthusiasm.
> FREE HAPPINESS!
> Implementation of "happiness for all" leads to taking from ones and giving
> to others. There is where the hell breaks out.
> Imagine that tomorrow the UN will get so much power that they will be able
> to enforce this kind of ideology on the planet. To bring everybody on the
> same level huge quantities of goods, food, money will be taken from the
> citizens of Europe, US and other developed countries and shipped to Africa,
> South Asia, South America. Huge numbers of people from these countries will
> be shipped to your hometown and put into your house. That is exactly what
> happened in Russia in 1917. I know it sound crazy, but yes, Bolsheviks took
> people from distant villages and put them in the houses of private citizens.
> Just like that. So everybody is equal and happy. And then there were years
> of inhuman bestialities.
> General Tulenev (a WW2 hero) testified about him being interrogated in NKVD:
> "I forgot my name, that I had a wife and daughter. All the skin from my back
> and buttocks was removed, so I could only sleep while standing on my knees.
> They made me drink my urine and squeezed my genitals in vices until I was
> unable to scream."
> You can read about this experiment in many a book. Just make sure that the
> author knows the subject and not some ivory tower American professor like
> Robert Reich, who actually had an audacity to write that Stalins' reforms
> were positive for us. This is because Professor Reich never experienced what
> it is to be sodomized by NKVD monsters and to be made drink his own urine.
> Lucky little dick that has never been squeezed in a vice.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Alex Chaihorsky
> Reno, NV
>
I hear experience here. Then some prof. will write a book with out
having the experience and change the real experience with their own
views.
Currently, I'm looking at an event that maybe going to cause a lot of
problems for everybody.... that old clunker of a navy plane landing in
china. What is really going on? We have all the sophistication of
satellites or an old SR-71 to do spying with. The fellow at some think
tank all dressed up monday morning saying his thing... and the news says
that China is quiet about it.... maybe its because our gov. is quiet in
not telling the truth. I do know that all of this is tanking the stock
market. Something is fishy here that just doesn't add up. Hoping to
read your comments on this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:09:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Roy Culley wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) writes:
>> > On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:39:37 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >>Correct! the book written about her was quite enlightening/
>> >>
>> >>Matthew Gardiner
>> >>
>> >>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Karel Jansens
>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>> wrote
>> >>> on Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:26:32 +0000
>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >>> >Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> One person I would really hate to see in charge of the US is Steve Jobs.
>> >>> >> Could you imagine the havoc that would be unlessed! some finds out a
>> >>> >> secret, and Steve (who is renound for is "quick to fire" response, esp.
>> >>> >> the case of the ATI Randeon debarkle) would nuke the person. Personally,
>> >>> >> I would like to see Magarate Thature in charge of the US, balls of
>> >>> >> steel, ruling with an iron fist.
>> >>> >>
>> >
>> > I hate to tell you this, but Margaret Thatcher doesn't have any balls. You
>> > know what balls are, don't you?
>>
>> Grief, it's a figure of speech. Anyway, I saw her on TV pissing in a
>> urinal. If she's got a willy then I presume she has balls as well.
>> Oops, that was spitting image wasn't it? :-)
>
> Was that a Benny Hill one?
Me thinks not. Not that I didn't like Benny Hill but he wasn't in the
same league as spitting image.
Another Thatcher one from spitting image is when she is in a restaurant
with her cabinet. She orders a steak. The waiter asks what about vegetables?
She says, they'll eat the same as me. :-)
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Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism confession
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:49:57 GMT
>>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>>
Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>> >>
Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>> >> >>
Aaron> You know...name some Communist-style government policies that
Aaron> you disagree with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Forgery alert, the original statement by the liar Mr. Kulkis was
>> >> >> "that you agree with". He, unwilling to admit his error, chose
>> >> >> to lie.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> His original statement was in message id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Can't think of any in the real world.
>> >> >>
Aaron> then you're a Communist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Because I do not agree with any of their policies?
>> >> >>
Aaron> You just said that you can't think of any that you do disagree with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You are a cowardly lying sack of shit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Please explain your "logic"?
>> >> >> >>
Aaron> Thank you for admitting that you are an enemy of the US Constitution.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No, that would be you, for your communist like calls for the deaths
>> >> >> >> of those that disagree with you.
Aaron> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >>
Aaron> You misspelled "have contempt for the Constitution"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, you are lying, again.
>> >> >>
Aaron> This fact will be recorded for posterity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What you imagine to be facts and reality seldom concur.
>> >> >>
Aaron> Heheheheheheh
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Shut up forger.
>> >>
Aaron> Pot Snow Black.
>> >>
>> >> No, unlike you I tell the truth.
Aaron> Your are obviously using a definition of "truth" that is unknown to the rest
of us.
>> You have delusions of adequacy.
Aaron> Yes, I'm always underestimating myself.
I can see how you underestimate your capacity for honesty.
>> >> Kulkis, cowardly lying forger. And I have the proof.
Aaron> blah blah blah.
>> See what I mean about being cowardly?
Aaron> Ever been in combat?
I do not lie and forge to try and hide my mistakes, the way cowards
like you do.
--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
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From: "Mark Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:55:57 GMT
Hey 2-2,
I mosly agree with your rant. I tend to switch use between Linux
(getting better, so much faster!) and Windows 2000 (a big
improvement over NT, to be sure!).
I question how fast corporate IT types will pick up XP (adoption
of W2000 has been very slow, I think).
I also agree that the DOWNSIZING economy will have an
interesting effect on IT (I have a short white paper on my web
site that I wrote a few days ago, if you are interested).
Thanks for the interesting post!
-Mark
--Mark Watson
--Java consulting, Open Source and Content: www.markwatson.com
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From: "Zed Mister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:02:24 GMT
I sure as hell would not want to deal with tech support calls from users who
can't send or receive mail through hotmail if the isp admin decided to block
access to it. A huge majority of legitimate mail that passes through our
mail servers originates from hotmail. If you're some sort of admin and have
actually gone ahead and banned hotmail access from your mail server, prepare
to be yelled at by your boss or worse.
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> msn.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
services will be accepted.
> msn.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
services will be accepted.
> microsoft.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
services will be accepted.
> microsoft.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
services will be accepted.
> hotmail.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
services will be accepted.
> hotmail.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
services will be accepted.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Date: 3 Apr 2001 20:02:36 GMT
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:16:21 -0400, mlw wrote:
>Yes, I know about "configure" and "make," but for binary distribution, is there
>an open source installer? One, gasp, which is pretty and programmable, will
>switch to root to perform the install? If so I haven't seen it.
>
>While I think Install Shield is a miserable hack, and anyone that has used it
>will fundamentally agree, it gets the job done.
>
>So, if one were to write such a program, should it be able to handle RetHat and
>Debian packages? Or would it be OK to simply use its own format? Self
>extracting is a must.
>
>Anyone have any ideas?
Haven't seen such a thing. I suppose a good way to implement one would be
to use a bunch of relocatable RPMs, and have the install=-shield structure
sitting on top as an extra layer, to sort of act as an "RPM install wizard".
Or all the above for dpkg.
Here's one thing you could do -- use a shar archive. This would be
self extracting. I experimented with this once, and developed
a system that made it possible to install several RPMs at once as a
meta-package. Basically, all the shar script does is runs some other
script or program in the archive.
This could be extended to be something like install-shield, I suppose.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:09:34 GMT
Said Jeffrey Siegal in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 03 Apr 2001
01:58:02 -0700;
>Isaac wrote:
>> I also think EULA's are somewhat independent of copyright law so
>> I'm not sure that a EULA restriction can be argued to prove
>> anything concerning copyright law.
>
>There is a relationship to copyright law, in that copies made while
>using the program are copies which must be authorized by the copyright
>holder, unless the end user already "owns" a copy.
That is not a relationship to copyright law. It is explicitly stated in
the EULA, and done so to make it appear that it is "merely" a
re-statement of what copyright law says. And, indeed, it is. But that
is not sufficient to make it related to copyright law, because it is
part of a trade secret, not a copyright, license.
>Your comments about game consoles are interesting. I wonder how
>extensively copyright law issues have been tested in that arena.
Very. Extremely very.
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