Linux-Advocacy Digest #346, Volume #33 Wed, 4 Apr 01 08:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Baseball ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Baseball ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Baseball ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? (mlw)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (Larry Kilgallen)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:05:24 +1200
Don't you mean, the "Full Monty"? Monty Python is total different to the
"full monty"
Matthew Gardiner
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:01:09 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Ever played rugby? Ever been in the position of having a 140KG Somoan
> > charging towards you
> > > >(and you're only 85KG), and being hammered when trying to tackle the
> > person? I also find
> > > >it rather amazing how little Septic Tanks know about the world
outside
> > the US? Did you
> > > >know we have Televisions, Tree's, cars, computers, I know, its
probably
> > has come as quite a
> > > >big shock to you.
> > > >
> > > >Matthew Gardiner
> > > >
> > >
> > > Big deal. You don't have the SuperBowl. Are those tin cans you drive
> > around in called
> > > "cars"?
> >
> > Hey! Austin Healeys were damned cool! I had one albeit briefly. At 6'3",
I
> > didn't so much drive it as wear it
> >
> > > Here in America we call them go-carts. Yes, you do have television,
but
> > it's
> > > really crappy.
> >
> > I'll take "Are You Being Served?" reruns over OUR television any day of
the
> > week.
> > Also....Two words.... Monty Python
>
> Not to be confused with "The Full Monty Python".....or is it?
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:06:49 +1200
Well, you could move to New Zealand? or I could run a really-really-really
long piece of Coax cable to your house :)
Matthew Gardiner
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > Still got "Dr Who?" on Television here, at 6:00pm on channel Prime, just
> > before the english comedy "Last of the summer wine"
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
>
> Ouch!! I'm missing out!! It's not shown here anymore. I have a whole
> bookcase full of video tapes from a canadian station. Then the cable
> company pulled them.
>
> Hopefully... someday....
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:07:57 +1200
oh. The funniest think I saw were some Americans trying to do the Haka,
talk about the definition of stupidity..LOL!
Matthew Gardiner
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > Not in my rugby team.
>
> I was referring to American football.
>
>
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cricket is not gay, NOW Gridiron, that is really gay, wtf is it with
> > pads and shit? and
> > > > a 15'er after each tackle for christs. I've seen more action from a
> > Microsoft
> > > > programmer than what happens on the field in a game of Gridiron.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Close. What makes it gay is all the butt-patting after each play.
> > >
> > > GROWN MEN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, back on topic, personally, I prefer Cricket, a
gentlemen's
> > sport you may
> > > > > > say. Baseball, well looks so uncivilised with people chewing
> > tobacco, whilst
> > > > > > scratching their nuts saying to themselves in a long drawl south
> > accent
> > > > > > hooooooooooooooowdeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
> > > > >
> > > > > That has nothing to do with the rules, only the fact that the
climate
> > of
> > > > > the South (perpetual summer) leads to the majority of those who
make
> > it
> > > > > to the pros being from the South.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cricket is gay.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Giuliano Colla wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chad Everett wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:36:55 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Anonymous wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > mike wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Tomorrow I go see the Mariners play the Cardinals.
> > Folks are
> > > > > > > > > >> > > expecting Mark McGwire to hit the ball completely
out
> > of the new
> > > > > > > > > >> > > stadium and be the first player to do so. My
neighbor
> > came over this
> > > > > > > > > >> > > morning with four tickets for the game, front row
> > directly behind home
> > > > > > > > > >> > > plate. His employer -- a microsoft billionaire --
gave
> > him the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > tickets. This means that Windows is superior to
Linux.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Where are the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Linux billionaires?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And there, in a nut shell, is the Microsoft argument for
> > superiority. Thank
> > > > > > > > > you very much for proving, without a doubt, that Windows
> > advocates are
> > > > > > > > > are, shall we say, *confused*.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As a foreigner, one of the things I appreciate the most of
the
> > English
> > > > > > > > language, is the elegance of the understatements.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How does that work in Italian (I don't know Italian, but I had
3
> > 1/2 years
> > > > > > > of Spanish, so I can relate).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Giuliano Colla
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:12:10 -0400
Martigan wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
>
> > Yes, I know about "configure" and "make," but for binary distribution, is
> > there an open source installer? One, gasp, which is pretty and
> > programmable, will switch to root to perform the install? If so I haven't
> > seen it.
> >
> > While I think Install Shield is a miserable hack, and anyone that has used
> > it will fundamentally agree, it gets the job done.
> >
> > So, if one were to write such a program, should it be able to handle
> > RetHat and Debian packages? Or would it be OK to simply use its own
> > format? Self extracting is a must.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >
> Well you could always code one and go from there ;-)
>
> I wouldn't want a program to instantly goto # for me. That's scarry!
You would, of course, be warned and be prompted for a password.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:15:51 +1200
To justify having so many paper shufflers.
Matthew Gardiner
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:pCsy6.1863$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > That is what licence agreements are for. You read them and then agree
to
> > > them or you don't. My advice don't use the service. As for banning
incoming
> > > mail from M$ that sounds like something they would do.
> > >
> > > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > ******************************************************
> > > > By Chuck Mead on Monday April 02 2001 @ 11:55PM EDT
> > > > http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/04/02/0156291
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft should be feared and despised!
> > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > After taking the time to read the Microsoft Passport Web Site Terms
of Use
> > > > and Notices I have had a belly full of them. The potential damage
they can
> > > > do with this license is staggering. I encourage everyone to take the
time
> > > to read it,
> > > > particularly the section entitled "LICENSE TO MICROSOFT". If you've
ever
> > > > had any doubts about the nature of that company reading that section
> > > should
> > > > put them to rest for good and all!
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how many times I've heard Microsoft described as "evil"
by
> > > > Linux zealots and open source supporters (which I am both) and
thought,
> > > > "They're losing it... Microsoft is just a company!" but now I'm
forced
> > > > to agree with them. This license is heinous, and more, it's
frightening
> > > > because I know that some people won't read it and will lose the
rights
> > > > to their own data/content without knowing. Add that to the fact that
> > > > the license is clearly attempting to gain the rights to *ALL CONTENT
> > > > WHICH PASSES OVER ANY SERVICE THEY PROVIDE*. For example... this
> > > > article could be copied by someone and sent to someone else who uses
> > > > the hotmail email service. According to the license Microsoft would
then
> > > > own the rights to this article! Unbelieveable you say? Go read it
and see
> > > > for yourself.
> > > >
> > > > Most of the time when confronted with things like this I may rage
for
> > > > a while but I usually conclude that there is little that I can do to
> > > > cause the policy to change so why bother doing anything at all but
not
> > > > this time!
> > > >
> > > > Effective with this posting the following blocks are in place
against
> > > > email inbound to MoonGroup.com or any of it's domains. If you truly
> > > > understand what their license means you will do the same on your
mail
> > > > server.
> > > >
> > > > msn.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
> > > services will be accepted.
> > > > msn.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their
> > > services will be accepted.
> > > > microsoft.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from
their
> > > services will be accepted.
> > > > microsoft.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from
their
> > > services will be accepted.
> > > > hotmail.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from
their
> > > services will be accepted.
> > > > hotmail.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from
their
> > > services will be accepted.
> > > >
> > > > As this is clearly a pre-cursor of what Microsoft's .Net initative
is
> > > > all about I will be watching very closely to see where it goes. I
had
> > > > thought that SOAP might be something very useful which would help to
> > > > open them up a bit but after reading this license it's clear to me
that
> > > > all that .Net and Hailstorm are going to be is just another sad
example
> > > > of "embrace and extend".
> > > >
> > > > I fear them for what they are doing! I despise them for doing it!
> > > >
> > > > Good luck to all of us... we're going to need it!
> >
> > <sigh> Do you guys ever think for youself?
> >
> > Do you think that any such terms would ever stand up in court?
> > Of course not.
> >
> > Just because it's in a license agreement does not mean it's instantly
> > law.
>
>
> If Mafia$oft expects that it has no effect, then why did they write it?
>
>
> >
> > -c
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Kilgallen)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: 4 Apr 2001 07:21:39 -0500
In article <tFyy6.578$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hugh Bonney
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In comp.arch 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Can Sun battle Intel in chips, IBM in the high end market and Microsoft in
> : the software platforms areas all at one time with profits in the Dell range
> : in a DOWNTURN?
>
> Well, the retreating tide lowers all the boats...
Except those that are already aground.
==============================================================================
Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> Clusters
==============================================================================
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:33:04 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > Personally, I couldn't care less about my rank.
> >
> > Or the inherent responsibilty of leadership that comes with the rank.
>
> I have enough responsibility in the private sector.
>
> To take on additional responsibility under these circumstances would mean
> a) giveing the Army less than an honest effort
> and/or
ROFLMOA!!!! That's rich! this gets better and better daily.
> b) giving my employer (which is the source of the TAX MONEY which pays
> for the military in the first place) less than an honest effort
> and/or
> c) shirking family responsibilities.
Which you don't have. You are supporting no one. You're a child, not a
father.
> As an honorable person, I don't bite off more than I can chew.
Apparently you do. Your posts here prove you can't handle being an ARNG
SPC, else you would lie about your accomplishment or awards or claim
expertise in areas you've proven yourself to be clueless.
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