Linux-Advocacy Digest #350, Volume #33 Wed, 4 Apr 01 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Craig Kelley)
Re: XP = eXPerimental (millstox)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? (Chad Everett)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Chad Everett)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant ("Ben L. Titzer")
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? (Michael Marion)
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 04 Apr 2001 09:12:52 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
> Hmm... I especially liked this part.
>
> "The foregoing grants shall include the right to exploit any proprietary
> rights in such communication, including but not limited to rights under
> copyright, trademark, service mark or patent laws under any relevant
> jurisdiction. No compensation will be paid with respect to Microsoft's use
> of the materials contained within such communication."
What a joke.
In other news, has anyone used Windows XP yet? I had the pleasure of
seeing it yesterday; they did a pretty good job of ripping off MacOS
X: instead of translucent blue, they offer a greenish hue. They'll
probably add in the Genie minimize effects before it finally ships.
This is probably because some Apple engineer sent email to another
friend who had it relay through MSN, and hence, became the property of
Microsoft. After all, they don't have to obey copyright law when it
doesn't suit them.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: millstox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:45:37 -0600
"J.T. Wenting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9ad0qd$o6q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> XP = eXPerimental
>>
>thought it meant ExPert? Experimental systems are of course usually handled
>by experts, which might be the origin of people thinking XP means
>experimental...
Remember good old MFC, with the "AFX" prefix that means "Application
Framework Experimental"? Another load of Microsoft crap.
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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:26:06 -0400
Sounds like a good idea to put the clause into the licence agreement.
MS definitely has good legal advice, as this clause most likely eliminates a
ton of frivolus lawsuits. Also, for those not in the know - licence
agreements supercede copyright laws.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 Apr 2001 10:16:49 -0500
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:31:56 -0000, Andy Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I've had this discussion before and came to the conclusion that most Linux
>users are masocists.
>
No...it's not painful to them.
>
> [-SNIP-]
>....................................................... Most times I've
>successfully installed a RPM it hasn't left me with a single clue as to
>where it is installed,
OK...tell me the last thing you installed on Windows with InstallShield
(you know InstallShield...the thing you want to emulate for Linux). Now
tell me where InstallShield put all the *dll, *.exe, *.inf files for that
application.
> I doubt you will get much constructive criticism in this newsgroup, as
>
Here is some constructive criticism for you. There are many parts of your
suggestion/request that are just plain bad ideas. There are GUI interfaces
for RPM and there is room for improvement in this area, sure. But you
can certainly get a lot more information out of rpm and *.rpm files than
you can out of ANY installshield install package.
>there are a lot of people here who get kicks out of running down newbies,
So telling you your idea is bad is running you down. Sorry.
>It takes time to learn how to use Linux and that is one thing most
>intelligent people have very little of!
>
So how much time have you spent rebooting your Windows machine after installing
a new program with InstallShield on Windows?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 Apr 2001 10:21:39 -0500
Chad Myers said the following after praying to Bill Gates:
>
> <sigh> Do you guys ever think for youself?
>
> Do you think that any such terms would ever stand up in court?
> Of course not.
>
> Just because it's in a license agreement does not mean it's instantly
> law.
>
I find it incredible that no even Chad Myers can defend this Microsoft
license. All he can do is tell us that it probably won't stand up in
court. That's your defense?!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:41:59 GMT
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:24:01 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:04:38 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >silverback wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:31:27 -0800, "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >silverback <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Scott Erb wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
>> >> >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Spot the character assassination.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
>> >> >>
>> >> >> wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
>> >> >> always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
>> >> >> corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
>> >> >> top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
>> >> >
>> >> >They are just about one and the same. Socialism usually leads into fascism,
>> >> >look at Germany around 1930's to 1945.
>> >>
>> >> too bad moron.The Nazi were right wingers and advocated the same
>> >> fucking nonsense as what you do. Cut the taxes of the rich, privatize
>> >> large portions of government, outlaw unions, eliminate welfare and
>> >> unemployment.
>> >
>> >Hint: THOSE are not the attributes which made the Nazis bad.
>> > Hope that helps, sliverdick.
>>
>> oh yes they were.
>>
>
>Do you think cartels are good or bad?
>
bad idiot. And the Nazi economy was based on cartels. But then cartels
are a right wing approach to business. In America we were a little
more honest about cartels we called the leaders of such robber barons.
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >Unix Systems Engineer
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:42:32 GMT
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:25:42 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On 03 Apr 2001 10:42:15 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> gee another fucking idiot. Guess who supported him finacically during
>> >> the 20s? It was the rich industralists. Hitler came to power by making
>> >> secret deals with them. How was it that Hitler was released from
>> >> prision after the failed Beer hall Putsch when others that had only
>> >> revealed to the press snipets of information that proved Germany was
>> >> rearming. They rotted in prision. And yes they were charged with
>> >> treason in the early 20s.
>> >>
>> >> Face it boob the only way Hitler gained such a release was someone or
>> >> many someones pulled strings for him to get out. And that means only
>> >> one thing the German elite.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Many a discussion here sooner or later come back to Nazi-Socialist question.
>> >To get to the bottom - question to everybody: HOW HITLER GOT TO BE
>> >CHANCELLOR?
>> >I start a new tread with that title. Please, give me your opinions. Here are
>> >the facts:
>> >
>> >Historic facts:
>> >
>> >During 1932 elections
>> >Hitler got 11.8 million votes
>> >Social-Democrats 8.1
>> >Communists 5.8
>> >
>> >To be a Chancellor, Hitler had to have absolute majority. He never got it.
>> >If Communists would get into coalition with SD, Nazi would be outsiders.
>> >Nazi party was in deep financial troubles, Hitler thought of suicide.
>> >Communists declined the coalition and Hitler won.
>> >Why wouldn't Communists eliminate Hitler by supporting SocDems?
>>
>> fact Hitler was appointed chancelor after a backroom deal with the
>> leaders of big business. The communist and Nazis were rabidly opposed
>> to each other.
>
>And yet, Stalin told the Communists to vote for Hitler.
no
>
>Why is that?
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >Alex Chaihorsky
>> >Reno, NV
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ***********************************************
>>
>> GDY Weasel
>> emailers remove the spam buster
>>
>> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>>
>> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>>
>> *********************************************
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:43:01 GMT
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:26:17 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:00:40 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Michael Ejercito wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:00:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> (silverback) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Scott Erb wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
>> >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Spot the character assassination.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
>> >> >
>> >> >wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
>> >> >always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
>> >> >corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
>> >> >top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
>> >> >
>> >> Fascism has more to do with abolishment of individual rights.
>> >>
>> >
>> >****ALLL**** forms of SOCIALism are about abolishing individual rights.
>>
>> sorry idiot fascism has always been a right wing ideology. Its what
>> you spew forth.
>
>yes...right wing SOCIALISM, sliverdick.
>
there is no such thing as right wing socialism
>
>>
>> >
>> >> Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >Unix Systems Engineer
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:43:44 GMT
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:10:59 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Scott D. Erb" wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I wonder how Scott Erb would feel if he gets his wish of an all-powerful
>> > government, and along the way, he gets carted off to some gulag....
>>
>> Given that I oppose powerful government and in fact my biggest criticism of the
>> Left is that it too often ignores the danger of centralized power, your question
>> is based on a false premise. Since I've made my aversion to powerful government
>> clear earlier in this thread, I have to assume that you are also being dishonest
>> in making the statement you make.
>
>Tell us how you propose to steal even more from the productive for the
>benefit of the lazy and other parasites without more centralized power.
progressive taxation is not stealing anything from what you want to
call productive people.
>
>Saying that you oppose centralized power, while supporting every policy
>which requires it is....disingenious.
>
>Either that, or you're a fucking dumbass.
>
>Which is it, Scott?
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
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From: "Ben L. Titzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:52:10 -0500
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Alexis Cousein wrote:
> Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> > Too bad IA32 chips run faster than Alphas now. :)
>
> Too bad they're IA*32*, though, and can't address more than 4GB.
>
Well, the physical address bus is 36 bits these days, which means 64gb,
but the virtual address space for processes is still 32 bits or 4gb. The
physical address extensions (PAE) were introduced in the Pentium Pro
series, and AMD included support for them in the Athlon (K7). These
extensions require modifications to the page tables and thus, OS support.
> --
> Alexis Cousein Senior Systems Engineer
> SGI Belgium and Luxemburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:06:43 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> > Theres more to it than that, Xwindows can remotely run apps on another machine,
> > Windows simply cannot do this without 3rd party apps.
>
> Mostly I do not need to run things remotely on another machine.
I know that I felt the same way when my only computer exposure was older Apple
II lines and PCs. Once I had some experience in the unix area, and saw how
seamless moving from machine to machine was, and what could be done, I haven't
wanted to go back. I think the same is true for the vast majority of people
that prefer unix and unix like systems.
It makes much more sense to have systems (like we have at work) where the
desktops are decent machines, but the massive horsepower for jobs that need
more power are in computer rooms... then users can run what they need to on
the large machines, and you don't have to spend huge amounts of money putting
a huge machine on every desk. Even with 3rd party apps, windows still isn't
as seamless in these types of setups.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
Black holes are where God divided by zero.
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