Linux-Advocacy Digest #405, Volume #33 Thu, 5 Apr 01 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Gunner ©)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Gunner ©)
Re: Microsoft Refunds?? (Dave Martel)
Re: Microsoft Refunds?? ("Joseph Ogiba")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Bobby D.
Bryant")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re:
Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Bob Hauck)
How funny. ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re:
Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Fred K Ollinger)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re:
Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:06:24 -0700
On 05 Apr 2001 09:36:49 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have only found this in Aaron's answer - I do not no why, but my server
>does not show the Erbs part (Marx was naive). So, >>>> is my words and >> -
>Erb's
>So I answer here:
>
>> >"Scott D. Erb" wrote:
>> > Marx was naive. He believed that if you got rid of capitalism you could
>have complete
>> > liberty, the state would whither away, you would end exploitation. He
>was motivated
>> > by the industrial slums, and how horrid the workers were paid. He
>wanted the workers
>> > to rise up against that, and believed if they did they could
>collectively control the
>> > means of production and everyone would be better off.
>> >
>> > He was wrong. Dead wrong. Tragically wrong. But there is no way Marx
>or Engels (and
>> > I've read a lot of their private writings, including a lot of Engels
>stuff in the
>> > original German) would have ever supported the kind of brutal tactics of
>a Stalin, Mao
>> > or Pol Pot.
>> >
>
>OK, Erb, time to get the gloves off. You do not answer my arguments, as I
>did yours. You write you stuff over my arguments. That betray you for who
>you are - a man who does not argue honestly. As opposed to many a net
>writer, I am giving you my true name and, if you send me private e-mail I
>will supply you with my address, so you can sue me if you want.
>Manifesto directly talks about the follwoing points (see below in from my
>previous posing).
>To call a man who called for liquidation of propert NAIVE?
>How NAIVE is to separate children from parents?
>How NAIVE is to enslave workers into armies?
>How NAIVE is to make children of age 9 work for their enslavers?
>How NAIVE is to PREDICT that this can only be done using a DICTATORSHIP?
>
>There was NOTHING that Stalin, Lenin or Mao invented that was not in
>Marx/Engels works (including BTW concentration camps that WERE INVENTED by
>them (Engels) "We will have enourmous resistance to our reforms, so we will
>need to have SPECIAL ISOLATED PLACES...." because they knew that no prison
>will be able to hold all the "resistance". The only theoretical additions to
> Marxism- were:
>1. Communist revolution is possible not only in developed industrial
>countries but also in agrarian ones (after it happened in Russia) (Lenin)
>2. Socialism can be built in a single country (build, but not maintained)
>(Stalin)
>3. There is a possibility of coexistance of two systems (wrong, as was
>proved by history)
>Everything else is reworking, retelling, advancing, developing, recombining
>of Marxism.
>
>Now about poor Marx being not responsible for the mayhem his students
>created.
>Marx revisionists sung several songs:
>1. Marx was misunderstood.
>2. Marx was misinterpreted
>3. Marx was wrong, but he meant well
>4. Marx was who he was, but contemporary socialism has nothing to do with
>him.
>
>I just remind you that the Hitler's revisionists claimed:
>
>1. Hitler was misunderstood
>2. Hitler was misinterpreted
>3. Hitler was wrong, but he meant well
>4. Hitler was who he was, but the neo-Nazism is has nothing to do with
>Hitler.
>
>The only argument (weak) for the bastard not to be THE MONSTROUS figure in
>the human history was the fact that by the end of his life he denounced all
>his work and said "I am not a Marxist anymore".
>
>
>>>>> Alex wrote:
>> > > > 1. Complete liquidation of private property
>> > > > 2. Liquidation of the family, introduction of "official, open mutual
>> > > > ownership of wives"
>> > > > 3. Children taken from families are brought up by community
>(Hillary,
>> > > > hello!)
>> > > > 4. Industrial armies, not employer - employee, (and that is from the
>guy who
>> > > > LOVES proletariat!)
>> > > > 5. Central credit by central banks with total banking monopoly for
>the
>> > > > State.
>> > > > 6. Age when children start working - 9 years of age (Resolution of
>Geneva
>> > > > International Congress).
>> > > >
>> > > > If this is not the most monstrous document in the history of the
>> > > > civilization, please, state which one is.
>> > > >
>> > > > This system was implemented four times almost totally - in Hitler's
>> > > > concentration camps, Stalin's GULAG and Mao's re-educational
>settlements and
>> > > > Pol Pots' Cambodia camps.
>> > > > Partially - USSR, Red China, Vietnam, North Korea.
>> > > > Superficially - Poland, E. Germany, Hungary, Mongolia,
>Czeckoslovakia
>> > > >
>> > > > Why would Marx be spiining other than out of excitment?
>> > > > Typical (I hate this word) socialist attitude - they all have
>aberrated
>> > > > Marx. NO! THEY DIDN'T!
>> > > > All socialists remain civilized untill they seize the power. Then
>the
>> > > > Marxist bestiary begins.
>> > > > EVERY TIME.
>> >
>
>>>Erb again;
>
>> > Marx was fantasizing about what he thought would lead to a utopia. He
>was wrong. He
>> > thought the state would whither away, it didn't. His goal was to end
>alienation and
>> > create perfect liberty, his ideas did not lead that direction. His
>errors were
>> > typical of 19th century social science (over-determination, bad
>predictions), and
>> > ultimately the errors in his theories helped lead to the kinds of horror
>you
>> > describe. But to demonize Marx personally because of that is simply
>misguided, and of
>> > course irrelevant.
>> >
>> > At the very least now Social Democrats and most leftists recognize that
>the vision of
>> > "scientific socialism" espoused by Lenin and the Communists was not only
>wrong, but
>
>First of all there were never any "Scientific socialism" only "Scientific
>Communism" I know because I was the first guy in the history of Leningrad
>University to get "F" for that at State Exam. I even got to the front page
>of University paper for that. You had to be braindead not to get "C", but I
>was so annoying to the "professors" that they gave me an "F" despite the
>direct order not to do so from Dean.
>
>How anyone who has a brain can say that the guy who created detailed theory
>how to destroy human society, who gave concrete reccommendations how to
>enslave working population, destroy families, establish WORKING ARMIES,
>establishing dictatorships - this is FANTASIZING?
>In that case the whole "MeinKampf" is fantasizing too, right?
>Marx was just fantasizing in his 100+ volumes of detailed plans of the
>destruction of the Western Civilization?
>In that case, all you marxists and socialists are just idiots who spent
>their lives studying an old dirty man thoughts, right?
>
>The problem with you is inablity of honest debate. In one way its bad, in
>another -good. Marxism is a religion. It is a religion of cowards who are
>afraid to go to the world and take risks of their own. It is a religion of
>the weak who are afraid to be pushed aside by the strong. It is a religion
>of envy, dark, black envy of the talentless and the lazy alike.
>But mostly the honorless cowards, who say - "I do not dare and will not let
>you dare".
>Congratulations, Erb, you have choosen the right crowd.
>At first I thought that we can have a discussion. Then I thought that you
>are just not that good informed (not a sin). Now I see that you are liek the
>rest of them - a liar, a cheat and a snake. "Marx was fantasizing". About
>100 million people are dead in Russia, Chine, etc. because of these
>"fantasies" and you have an audacity to call it an ERROR?
>
>Shame on you.
>
>
>Alexander Chaihorsky
>Reno, NV
>
>
Someday Tovarich, Id like to shake your hand.
Bravo! I am humbled.
Respects, and deepest regards
Gunner
"...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and
tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson, Nov. 13, 1787
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:06:27 -0700
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:22:29 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gunner> But we can all agree, that arming the Afghanis to kick out the Russians
> Gunner> was a good idea, right?
>
>Kicking out the USSR was great. Leaving enough arms that
>those thugs kill their own people and ours was problematic.
They have been killing each other for thousands of years..whats the
difference?
>
>In hindsight it would appear that a middle road would have
>been better (more oversight, get the weapons back after...)
>But hindsight is tough.
Nice job if you could figure out how to get them back... let us
know...im sure the princible can be used the world over. Not to
mention.. the sheer dollars those folks can produce on the world arms
market.. what is the national cash crop of the area? They have no peers
even in Columbia. Think hard.
Gunner
"...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and
tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson, Nov. 13, 1787
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Refunds??
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:00:29 -0600
On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:47:47 GMT, "Joseph Ogiba"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> purchase a separately packaged expansion drive (which doesn't have
>> Linux
>> on it), and optionally pay a modest installation charge.
>>
>> The price is only about $200 less than the price of a Windows machine,
>> and
>> you have to install your on Linux distribution. Most of these systems
>> have been certified to be Linux compatible.
>>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>> >
>> > http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/
>> >
>> > This site seems to have a lot of interesting web sites in reference to
>> > Microsoft refunds. Still looking into the others. Zork.net doesn't
>> > seem to exist from this end.
>>
>> --
>> Rex Ballard
>> It Architect
>> http://www.open4success.com
>Bullshit! Are YOU telling me a PC is $200 less without Windows ? PC Mall has
>a Compaq 566Mhz PC with Windows for $349. So minus your bullshit number it
>will cost only $149 . Yeah right. Linux diehards are so lame they can't even
>slap a computer together to run Linux .They have to cry about the whole
>friggen planet not having Linux pre-installs.Poor baby ...you know Linux but
>don't have a clue about hardware.
>
Maybe you can tell me where to get the parts to build my own laptop?
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From: "Joseph Ogiba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Refunds??
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:28:08 GMT
> Maybe you can tell me where to get the parts to build my own laptop?
>
Go to ajump.com. They sell bare bone (no OS,CPU,memory or HD) notebooks.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:32:03 +0600
Chad Myers wrote:
> For some reason that eludes me (and apparently the ssh.com people as well)
> the OpenSSH people continue to support a "flawed" protocol which they know
> has issues when a newer, better, and free version exists.
It's called "backward compatibility". I use OpenSSH, which supports both
protocols. It connects with the -2 protocol on systems that support it, and with
the -1 protocol on older systems that have not been upgraded.
All my systems use the -2 protocol, but I don't have any control over what other
people's systems run.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:41:43 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> >> Well, the Catholics say that its "thou shalt not kill". The "commit
> >> murder" phrasing is *definitely* revisionist.
> >
> >"*Definitely* revisionist", huh? LOL!!!
> >
> >Do you know what it is in the original hebrew in which it was written.
Is
> >it "kill" or is it "murder"? It is "murder".
> >
> >The hebrew is "xcr" ( phoneticlly raw-tsakh) which means to "murder",
> >"slay", "assassinate".
>
> Slay: To put to death with a weapon, or by violence; hence, to
> kill; to put an end to; to destroy.
>
> Kill intentionally and with premeditation
>
> Murder: unlawful premeditated killing of a human being
>
> Notice how murder actually means "to kill unlawfully", but slay doesn't
> imply unlawfullness. As far as I can see, by providing those two synonims
> you cleared nothing, since they mean both things.
Get a good concordance and a Hebrew/Aramaic dictionary. The English
translation of Exodus 20:13 from the earliest text is "You shall not
murder". If you honestly want to know the truth it is easily researched and
found.
Keep in mind the same one that commanded "You shall not murder" (or "kill",
if you prefer) also commanded the Israelites to make war and kill in war.
To insinuate God is against capital punishment and killing in war is simple
ignorance at best. For capital punishment see Exodus 20:2, 9, 10, 11, 12,
13, 15, and 16. For killing in war see Exodus 26:7-8, Numbers 21:2-3. Also
in Exodus 21 Kings Sihon and Og are defeated (See Exodus 21:34 and 35 to see
what God said about this).
God passed to Moses, "You shall not murder (or kill if you prefer)" in
Exodus but also instructed Moses to wipe out entire populations through war
in the same text. Both you and T. Max Devlin ought to do some research,
especially if you are to pull a single verse of a quote from God out of an
entire text to determine what God thinks of a particular subject.
Bottom line: The "kill" you prefer in Exodus 20:13 does not include capital
punishment or the deaths in war.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser...
(was Re: Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure)
Date: 6 Apr 2001 00:43:39 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
: >
: > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: > : Awwwwwww, poow widdle windows wuser.....
: >
: > Explain this entry from your header:
: >
: > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U)
: > ^^^^^
: > Are you going to stick to the claim that this
: > is a "forgery" to fool others? I challenge
: > you to prove this is so, by posting the
: > portion of the already publicly-available source
: > code for Mozilla which you have modified to do this.
: > Put up, or shut up, soldier boy.
: Here's a thought....what if the header contains not only a false OS
: description, but a false application description as well.
That's fine. So, are you going to accept my challenge,
or are you going to just cop out like the cowardly 40
year old welfare-check-collecting sack of obesity that
I suspect that you really are?
: Sun Tzu, you ain't.
That's correct. I'm not Sun Tzu. I'm not about
to ride off into the desert to die just because
there are a few wanking dullards such as you in
the world.
Oh wait... I'm operating under the assumption
that you actually know who Sun Tzu really is...
how silly of me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:43:48 GMT
On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:55:46 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Really? Hmm. As far as I can tell, the _only_ things I can't get out of
>the InstallShield-created packages I'm developing are custom scripts and
>install-time custom DLLs, and I'm not sure I can't get those.
[snip list of nifty information he can get]
But the question is, can an end-user get that stuff as he can with
RPM. And if he can, how? I for one would like to know how to at least
get a list of files and registry keys that were installed.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:43:50 GMT
On 05 Apr 2001 09:38:42 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Of course not, but at least republicans go after Microsoft with the
>intent of restoring a free market, and not with some loony class-war
>redistribution of wealth fanaticism.
No, that fanaticism would result in selling off Microsoft and giving
the money to the poor. As opposed to the loony Republican turn the
country into an corporate oligarchy fanaticism.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How funny.
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:45:38 +0600
I'm downloading a new kernel, so I looked at kernel.org's mirror list.
They have the list broken down by country, and a very exhaustive list it
is. I was particularly surprised to see that the list includes the Holy
See (i.e., the Vatican).
I wonder whether they'll be coming out with their own distro? "St.
Penguin Linux" or something.
Other sites could yield interesting distros too:
Antartica: "True Penguin Linux"
Pitcairn Island: "Mutiny Linux"
Saint Helena: "Napoleonic Legacy Linux"
Monaco: "Gran Prix Linux"
Isle of Man: "Manux"
Chad: "Troll Linux"
And for about 1/3 of the states listed, "'Where the Heck is That' Linux"
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
p.s. - Many of the small nations' mirrors are actually remote sites in
more familiar countries, but it's pretty funny all the same.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser...
(was Re: Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure)
Date: 6 Apr 2001 00:45:20 GMT
chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Sun Tzu, you ain't.
: Twisting and writhing in the wind. Anything, ANYTHING rather than
: just "answering the damn question."
While we're on the topic of Sun Tzu...
"Those who know, do not talk. Those who talk, do not know."
Sounds much like someone in these newsgroups doesn't it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: 6 Apr 2001 00:49:13 GMT
JS PL ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: > Shocker. Let me ask you something: how much can an author ethically
: > charge for something that costs him nothing, and has no functional
: > value?
: The author can ethically charge whatever he wants, it's the beauty of living
: in a free society. I realize you wish producers of intellectual property
And if people don't want to then they don't have to pay for it.
: were slaves of the state and must give away their creativity to anyone who
When and where was this? Was this in the south in the US?
Are people in the US slaves? I work for my food. Does that make me a slave?
I'd like to understand what slave means. I think it means you have to do
whatever you are told or you get hurt real bad. It means that you can't say
whatever you want unless the masser let's you. Here if I would like to
make certain compounds to treat disease, I can't unless I pay. A lot.
I can't share things that I bought unless I pay.
: wants it or sell it at a rate which you can best afford but the world
: doesn't work like that anymore. Maybe a hundred years ago perhaps, but it's
: a whole new world today.
: If I write a song and want a trillion dollars for it, it's my right.
: Communism is dead Marx.
Did Marx say that people have the freedom to think of ideas that they didn't
pay the first person who paid a lawyer (ie copywrote or patented it).
I think the real question that has never been answered by IP buffs is
when I buy a cd, what am I buying?
Fred
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser...
(was Re: Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure)
Date: 6 Apr 2001 00:51:36 GMT
Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:14:41 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >
: >>Sun Tzu, you ain't.
: >
: >Twisting and writhing in the wind. Anything, ANYTHING rather than
: >just "answering the damn question."
: OK, OK. I know. Kulkis is using rn on a Sun 3/60 running SunOS 4.2.
No... he merely forged the kernel's output messages so
that he would merely "think" he's running SunOS 4.2.
He's actually running a 4.4BSD implementation which
he ported to the i960 architecture automatically with
an AI algorithm which was written in BASIC, running on
an Imsai.
: He's rounded up the rn source and re-compiled it to look like
: Mozilla on a Win98 box, although he swears up and down that he
: is running SuSE linux on a AMD 500MHZ machine.
No no. Don't you get it... Kookis forged his proxy
to look like SuSE Linux... it's actually a Symbolics 360.
: Won't be long before we start hearing how Kulkis went to MIT:
: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2001/ocw.html
C | N > K
Damn! Why can't these blasted things be watertight?!
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