Linux-Advocacy Digest #459, Volume #33 Mon, 9 Apr 01 02:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Freedos (Martha H Adams)
Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman (Jeffrey Siegal)
another example of why Linux is brain dead. (kirk@do_not_spam)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Lotus Notes on Linux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (GreyCloud)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:13:52 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Matthew Gardiner in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 06 Apr 2001
> 22:55:42 +1200;
> >Have you ever heard the term, "the best technology doesn't always win on the
> >day".
>
> Yes, and I consider it a myth; more, an obvious fabrication, by
> definition.
>
> >UNIX has been around for 35 years, and has never been intended to be run on
> >end lusers systems such as yours, that is why they have stuck with high end
> >servers and workstations, the area where the end user has some grey matter in
> >their head.
>
> No, actually, it was that for the first decade of PC development, Unix
> developers did not want to water-down their market by supporting
> commodity hardware PCs. The second decade, they were unable, due to
> Microsoft's illegal activity in both decades.
>
> >Also, if you were to look at Linux as the Desktop version of UNIX,
> >considering it has only been around for 9 years, it has made tremendous inroads
> >into the OS market, considering that not only is it competing against UNIX is
> >some areas, but the illegally maintained monopoly of Microsoft in the OS market.
>
> It competes against some Unixes, as do other Unixes. It will be
> improved to an extent inversely proportional to the number of
> proprietary Unix developers that finally give up and make it better.
> IBM is almost done, once HP and Sun are forced to follow, the days of
> proprietary OSes will be gone. Bear in mind, nothing competes against
> that which is anti-competitive.
>
It appears that Sun is slowly dropping their proprietary ideas. I've
got vim, bash, and a few other linux programs that run under Solaris.
They now have lxrun. Later in the year Sun has adopted Gnome2.0 and
will support it.
> >I also refute those statistics. Many of them never include the number of
> >downloaded copies of Linux, or the "borrowed" copy, or the number of people
> >outside the US adopting Linux as their main OS. It will be rather interesting if
> >Linux becomes the defacto standard on chinese computers, and even if Linux has a
> >20% share in the Chinese OS market, that will equal 240 Million copies, thus
> >definitely putting it a serious position. Also there is a matter with Red Flag
> >Linux, which, if the Chinese government agrees, could become the standard OS used
> >on government computers, thus, end users in china will follow suite, and use
> >linux as well.
>
> Well said. So much for bogus "market share" breakdowns. Market share
> is meaningless, unless you're ignorant of the law.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:13:51 -0400
sliverdick wrote:
>
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:18:59 -0700, Robert Sturgeon
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:29:39 GMT,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
> >
> >(snips)
> >
> >>>Yeah, it's right-wing socialism, characterized by vertical integration
> >>>of the industrial sector.
> >>
> >>there is no such thing as right wing socialism dumb fuck
> >
> >What then do you suppose Nazi means?
>
> I don't give a fuck what the name means dummy. Unless yer one of the
> idiots that still thinks East germany was a democracy and China a
> republic.
>
China *IS* a republic. It's a communist republic which doesn't
do much other than rubber-stamp the decisions of the leader at the
top of the personality cult, but it is, in fact, a republic.
To be a republic, a country doesn't HAVE to have free elections
of the representatives, mere having them in some way or another
makes it a republic.
that the US does have free elections of the representatives is
one of the reasons why we are superior to China
> >
> >(rest snipped)
> >
> >--
> >Robert Sturgeon-
> >Proud member of The Vast Rightwing Conspiracy.
> >http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
>
> ***********************************************
>
> GDY Weasel
> emailers remove the spam buster
>
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martha H Adams)
Subject: Re: Freedos
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 05:18:15 GMT
Hi, Anthony. I've heard a little about this freedos, and maybe many others
here besides myself would be interested. Where did you get it from? Any
comments on installing and running it?
Can freedos manage megabyte files and big trees? It might be very good to
run in laptops. So can you fill us in a little?
Thanks -- Martha Adams
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From: Jeffrey Siegal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:20:13 -0700
Les Mikesell wrote:
> RMS almost never posts to usenet so it wouldn't matter if you
> could go back farther.
There have been numerous occasions when messages have been posted on his
behalf.
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From: kirk@do_not_spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: 8 Apr 2001 21:29:24 -0700
I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
and on I went to work.
If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
out of their minds.
And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
I had a IDE r/w CDROM. with SUSE 7.1, kernel 2.4, and KDE latest and greatest.
Wanted to burn some files into the CD (which on windows is a breeze).
so I started KonCD (or whatver that thing is called that comes with KDE).
of course , it did not see it and no reason is given. searching and
reading I found I need to build a new kernel with scsi ide emulation mode
(imagin if someone on windows has to rebuild windows to write a CD).
OK, I went through that, rebuild a new kernel, ran lilo and rebooted.
now KonCD sees the device. I select the directory to write to the CD
(why the hell it wont let one select a file, but a directory is another
brain dead feature). So, it wrote the directory to the CD OK.
Now another fun part starts. I wanted to read the CD. no chance. unable
to mount the CD.
tried every possible combination and device (trying to figure name of devices
on linux is another stupid thing, why does not linux have at least something
like 'volcheck' on Solaris?).
Then I started searching the net for clues, I found that I need to tell
the kernel at boot up some more hint. so added the line
append "hdb=scsi"
where hdb is my CD drive on my PC.
re-run lilo and reboot.
try again
mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /some_directory
no luck. same erros.
Yes, I have iso file system build in.
try a dozen more mount commands, all the same errors. dmesg simply tells
me I have an IO error or some other cryptic kernel messages which gives
no clue as what to do.
shutdown the PC, reboot to window, stick the same CD and it is there.
the directory I wrote on the CD is actually there.
No rebuilding kernels, no telling windows any boot parameters, no
mounting, no trying to remember the device cryptic names. It is just there
to use. as an OS should be.
I can't believe this. why, I ask why, can't linux be as simple as windows?
anyone who think this stuff will challenge windows must be on drugs, and
I really mean that.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:21:48 -0400
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > ALL newsreader software that has an ID string has it embedded
> > > within the source code. It's a simple matter or editing it with
> > > vi and running make to disguise both the newsreader and the OS.
> > >
> > > And since on Linux...you have the source code....
> > >
> > > Well, I'll leave the rest as an exercise for the reader.
> > >
> >
> > Hey fuck head - yea you, dildo breath.
> >
> > Reply to this message, but change the header to indicate you are posting on
> > a Mac instead.
> > Should be effortless for a l33t programmer like yourself.
> >
> > If you can do that I'll believe a tiny fraction of what you say.
> > If you cannot or will not that you are a fucking liar and we've all known it
> > forever.
>
> JJ, go to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/source/
> and download one of the tar.gz files yourself.
> Oh, you might not know how to unpack it, so go ahead
> and download the ZIP version instead.
>
> It unpacks to only about 22 Mb of code and text, so you should
> find it effortless to track down what you're looking for, JJ.
Grep is your friend.
>
> Chris
>
> --
> [ Do Not Make Illegal Copies of This Message ]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:26:46 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> WGAF wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > Caldera is already having troubles from what I've heard on the net.
> > > (A lot of things are heard about different things.) But since its still
> > > Linux
> > > people will weigh what is it that they're getting for their money? The
> > > average user
> > > doesn't need it. The 5 user license more than likely can be
> > > circumvented by looking around for the equivalent for free. The spirit
> > > of Linux is just that... free and good.
> >
> > No, the spirit of Linux is to circumvent. If that doesn't work, then crack
> > it...
>
> Yep, and the spirit of Mafia$oft is to covertly steal others works.
And then FRAUDULENTLY copyright it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:31:47 +1200
Why didn't you ask for help? too worried that your fragile ego will be crushed?
You are probably like the thousand who have tried Linux, then suddenly find out
that just by clicking the start button doesn't make you a computer expert.
Instead of eating humble pie and asking for help, they then have the nerve to
post on COLA to bitch about the fact that they were to incompetent to get
something to work.
I read the documentation, and actually follow the instructions, and voila, I have
a working CD-Writer. So get over it, and grow up.
Matthew Gardiner
"kirk@do_not_spam" wrote:
> I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
> gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
> and on I went to work.
>
> If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
> out of their minds.
>
> And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
>
> I had a IDE r/w CDROM. with SUSE 7.1, kernel 2.4, and KDE latest and greatest.
>
> Wanted to burn some files into the CD (which on windows is a breeze).
>
> so I started KonCD (or whatver that thing is called that comes with KDE).
> of course , it did not see it and no reason is given. searching and
> reading I found I need to build a new kernel with scsi ide emulation mode
> (imagin if someone on windows has to rebuild windows to write a CD).
>
> OK, I went through that, rebuild a new kernel, ran lilo and rebooted.
>
> now KonCD sees the device. I select the directory to write to the CD
> (why the hell it wont let one select a file, but a directory is another
> brain dead feature). So, it wrote the directory to the CD OK.
>
> Now another fun part starts. I wanted to read the CD. no chance. unable
> to mount the CD.
>
> tried every possible combination and device (trying to figure name of devices
> on linux is another stupid thing, why does not linux have at least something
> like 'volcheck' on Solaris?).
>
> Then I started searching the net for clues, I found that I need to tell
> the kernel at boot up some more hint. so added the line
>
> append "hdb=scsi"
>
> where hdb is my CD drive on my PC.
>
> re-run lilo and reboot.
>
> try again
>
> mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /some_directory
>
> no luck. same erros.
>
> Yes, I have iso file system build in.
>
> try a dozen more mount commands, all the same errors. dmesg simply tells
> me I have an IO error or some other cryptic kernel messages which gives
> no clue as what to do.
>
> shutdown the PC, reboot to window, stick the same CD and it is there.
> the directory I wrote on the CD is actually there.
>
> No rebuilding kernels, no telling windows any boot parameters, no
> mounting, no trying to remember the device cryptic names. It is just there
> to use. as an OS should be.
>
> I can't believe this. why, I ask why, can't linux be as simple as windows?
>
> anyone who think this stuff will challenge windows must be on drugs, and
> I really mean that.
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:27:50 -0400
Becker wrote:
>
> "robert@-" wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > GreyCloud says...
> >
> > >
> > >Ever tried Solaris 8??
> > >
> >
> > Solaris is definitly better organized and better managed than the
> > chaotic way that Linux distro and the linux apps are managed.
> >
> > at least on Solaris they now have a GUI installer for everything.
> >
> > Still Solaris for the desktop is a joke. you can't even play DVD
> > on Solaris and netscape on Solaris (as netscape on every unix) is
> > a joke.
> >
>
> You know, this has always puzzled me. Scott McNealy (Sun CEO) has
> a very public distain for Microsoft. This is without question. Yet,
> Sun's CDE (Common Desktop Environment) is an absolute joke. You would
> think that this would be a no-brainer for McNealy and he'd get the
> lead out and put out a respectable window manager with drag-n-drop,
> file managers, multimedia, etc..
CDE was originally HP-VUE (HP Visual User Environment).
It was renamed CDE when they (HP) allowed other vendors to use it.
>
> It's one thing for McNealy to sit around and bitch about Microsoft, but
> if he (McNealy) cannot produce the goodies for the desktop, then SHUT-UP!
>
> > I think Unix is destined to remain a server only environment, and even
> > in this, windows seems to be gaining grounds.
>
> This may or may not be true. I don't know the figures and really don't
> care. I will say that Microsoft is walking a very fine line with Windows
> XP with all the bullshit registration stuff. I don't like the idea of
> my operating systerm contacting Microsoft to say "Hi!".
>
> Patrick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:34:03 +1200
WGAF wrote:
> Luckily for Linux, there are people who can see behind the hype.....
>
> http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/12/index3a.html
Yet another example of a clueless tech moron who knows nothing about how
the business world operates. No wonder half the dot-coms have failed
with idiots like that column writer thinking they know how to run a
business.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:42:24 +1200
WGAF wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > WGAF wrote:
> > >
> > > Luckily for Linux, there are people who can see behind the hype.....
> > >
> > > http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/12/index3a.html
> >
> > The article was written by another WinTroll. All too easy to spot.
>
> Life is easy for you, isn't it? Go hug your fat, bloated bird....
I've actually had the horrior to try the lastest beta of Windows XP.
Bloated is a compliment when compared to the space, slowness, and memory
hogging Windows XP does. I've got a PIII 550 w/ 384MB RAM, 60gig 7200rpm
hard disk, and it is still slow! When on earth is Microsoft? I could
perfectly understand, say, 64MB, however, when the minimum requirements are
at 128MB, JUST! to get the bloody thing up and running, you've really got to
ask yourself whether Microsoft lives in the real world. Before you break
out saying, "look, look, MacOS X requires 128MB too!", MacOS X requires that
amount only when running the classic environment ontop of MacOS X, hence,
once more apps become carbonised, the min requirements will only be around
64MB
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lotus Notes on Linux
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:43:51 +1200
You will probably get better responses by directing your queries to the
appropriate groups, such as, comp.os.linux.admin
Matthew Gardiner
Paulette Poullain wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> Do you have references or sites where I could find experiences of
> people and advices from them regarding the use of Lotus Notes
> server on Linux machines ?
>
> Thanks.
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
------------------------------
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:42:32 -0700
"kirk@do_not_spam" wrote:
>
> I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
> gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
> and on I went to work.
>
> If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
> out of their minds.
>
> And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
>
> I had a IDE r/w CDROM. with SUSE 7.1, kernel 2.4, and KDE latest and greatest.
>
> Wanted to burn some files into the CD (which on windows is a breeze).
>
> so I started KonCD (or whatver that thing is called that comes with KDE).
> of course , it did not see it and no reason is given. searching and
> reading I found I need to build a new kernel with scsi ide emulation mode
> (imagin if someone on windows has to rebuild windows to write a CD).
>
> OK, I went through that, rebuild a new kernel, ran lilo and rebooted.
>
> now KonCD sees the device. I select the directory to write to the CD
> (why the hell it wont let one select a file, but a directory is another
> brain dead feature). So, it wrote the directory to the CD OK.
>
> Now another fun part starts. I wanted to read the CD. no chance. unable
> to mount the CD.
>
> tried every possible combination and device (trying to figure name of devices
> on linux is another stupid thing, why does not linux have at least something
> like 'volcheck' on Solaris?).
>
I think that's why I like Solaris 8. Everything works and is adequately
documented.
> Then I started searching the net for clues, I found that I need to tell
> the kernel at boot up some more hint. so added the line
>
> append "hdb=scsi"
>
> where hdb is my CD drive on my PC.
>
> re-run lilo and reboot.
>
> try again
>
> mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /some_directory
>
> no luck. same erros.
>
> Yes, I have iso file system build in.
>
> try a dozen more mount commands, all the same errors. dmesg simply tells
> me I have an IO error or some other cryptic kernel messages which gives
> no clue as what to do.
>
> shutdown the PC, reboot to window, stick the same CD and it is there.
> the directory I wrote on the CD is actually there.
>
> No rebuilding kernels, no telling windows any boot parameters, no
> mounting, no trying to remember the device cryptic names. It is just there
> to use. as an OS should be.
I think the only really good O/S will be one that can read and interpret
a persons mind and then do it. In the real world, tho, it's not going
to get easy. Try to program in Windows or UNIX... not really all that
fun.
I hear you. VMS is just the other way around... it uses an english like
approach to the command line. Sometimes it can be too wordy.
>
> I can't believe this. why, I ask why, can't linux be as simple as windows?
>
> anyone who think this stuff will challenge windows must be on drugs, and
> I really mean that.
Well, it can also be viewed the other way around... (win9x series)
things don't work very well in windows either. Works fine for a while
then it starts to degrade..
The biggest problem with windows after about 6 months, is that it gets
slower.. and slower...... and slower........ and
s-l-o-w-e-r................. nows thats frustration. Windows can just
drive ya to drink.
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