Linux-Advocacy Digest #469, Volume #33 Mon, 9 Apr 01 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant ("Brig Campbell")
Re: Does OSS evolve? (Ronald Landheer)
Re: Darwinian Evolution and open software (Ronald Landheer)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Skybuck)
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (Roy Culley)
Re: Another Newbie Here (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (Anonymous)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallmanwhat a (Jeffrey
Siegal)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: t. max devlin: kook ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (Chad Everett)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Mott The Hoople)
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From: "Brig Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:14:45 -0700
"Del Cecchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9at08j$11eu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9asp2r$kfa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Brig Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> |>
> snip
> |>
> |> The ProLiant ML770 is the new 32-processor, industry-standard server
from
> |> Compaq. This system delivers maximum scale-up (single server)
performance in
> |> the ProLiant line, with 32 Pentium III Xeon processors, large SDRAM
memory
> |> capacity and huge I/O expansion. The ProLiant ML770 is based on the
Cellular
> |> Multi-Processing (CMP) architecture, designed for maximum performance
and
> |> scalability. Compaq has upgraded the CMP architecture by adding
additional
> |> high-availability features and Compaq storage and options.
> |>
> |>
http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliantml770/description.html#keyfea
> |> t
>
> What is CMP? This some sort of NUMA thing? They buy this from someone?
NCR,
> UniSys? Details were hard to find on the web site.
>
It's really the Unisys ES7000. CPQ OEM's the product from Unisys as does
Dell, ICL, and Hitachi.
The quick and dirty features:
32 way SMP - Intel IA-32 or IA-64 processors
64GB Memory - Uniform Memory Architecture
24 PCI busses
96 PCI cards
8 partitions supported - static today, dynamic tomorrow
4x4 Non-blocking crossbar (25.8 GB/sec bisectional bandwidth)
If you're running Windows on a system with more than 8 processors, then it's
really a Unisys ES7000.
We published an updated 24 processor SAP 3 tiered SD user number that's very
competitive with the RS6000 running AIX. We ran Windows 2000 and SQL Server
2000.
http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap3sdR4.html
Here's some white papers and links to other junk.
http://www.unisys.com/hw/servers/es7000/whitepapers.asp
-brig
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From: Ronald Landheer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does OSS evolve?
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:15:19 +0200
Hallo,
Here's a putative answer..
Wilbert Kruithof schreef:
> Because Sam Heads has convinced me to change my question, I do it
> hereby.
> I have read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", and after that I thought
> that it would be better that I changed my question to: "Does OSS
> evolve?" The word "evolve" and "evolutionary" are used in that *very*
> nice article, but that does not says it's well chosen.
> After reading the nearly 70 replies on my initial question again I think
> it's better that we start with a less radical point of discussion. If
> you think it isn't necessary, just say it.
> So, if you are able to answer my question, please reply. Oh, thanks for
> all replies on the initial question!!
> Wilbert Kruithof wrote:
>> Let me explain why I am asking this question. First of all I want to say that
>> it's not my intention to discuss about advantages of several operating systems,
>> nor software/hardware vendors. I am also not a newbie to unix (clones), so no
>> RTFM, or www.opensource.org. Do not see this as presumption, or something like
>> that.
Do operating systems evolve? Strictly speaking - no they don't.
Do they change and mature under selective pressures from environmental
stresses? Yes, they do.
Is this driven by random mutations and natural selection? No, it isn't.
Hence, the term "evolution" as applied in Biology does not apply.
Greetz!
Ronald
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From: Ronald Landheer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Darwinian Evolution and open software
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:09:41 +0200
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
> "Ronald Landheer" wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> (..)
>> Personally, I
>> don't think it makes sense to make all too many references to
>> biological principles in computer science (nor vice versa), and
>> I don't think the principles of natural selection apply on
>> OpenSource software, which IMHO has much more to do with
>> freedom of software and it's creators than with selection
>> of that software through environmental factors. Hence, I think
>> it would be better to use the term "maturation" in stead - but
>> as everybody's using the word "evolution" I'll just stick with
>> saying it's a misconception..
> A fresh perspective is so nice to see here. Even though I disagree.
Might I ask why? (I snipped all of mine except what I think you disagree
with).
Greetz!
Ronald
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Skybuck)
Crossposted-To:
24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:41:02 GMT
Let me just say I love textpad 4.
Once you go textpad you love it I am sure.
Whoooo that rimes...
I will fill in your enquery.
>My actual requirements are:
>
>Must haves:
>1. Syntax highlighting (with color and or font) for HTML and Java
YEP
>2. Robust cut and paste including row, AND column AND block
>capabilities
I think row only.
>3. Split and join functions based on margin or specified column
What the f... ?
>4. Ability to intelligently remove prefix characters (i.e. ">") and
>re-format text to new margins keeping paragraphs intact (i.e. fixing
>forwarded email text)
Wooo thanks to you I learned something !!1
Textpad 4 does have reformat coooool !!!
vvvvvery very very very very handy !
Hmm unfortunetaly it is not realy my style :( :P
But better something than nothing for realy bad code.
Like those fucking pdf's ! bahahaha.
Try to do copy & paste with those bitches. bahaha.
You layout will be fucked up real bad.
You can also download tabout ( little plug-in tool for textpad4 )
to removing leading spaces.
>5. Ability to edit multiple files side-by-side
No problem if you realy want to.
>6. Ability to compare files and synchronize multiple similar files
>flagging differences
Euh ?
>7. Robust search and replace capabilities (ideally supporting
>regular expressions)
Search and replace included.
>8. Line numbering
Absolutely !
>9. Column numbering
Let me check. Yep !
>10. Auto-completion (based on customizable template)of common
>programming statements
Hmm interesting idea maybe textpad has a plugin ?
>11. Ability to preview HTML pages (including Java applets) easily
nope. But you can run java applications.
jdk1.3 Java applet viewer don't work no more or something ?
>12. HTML toolbar (I know I should know all the tags but I just cannot
>remember them all)
Yep.
>13. Can be used as a replacement for Notepad (so it must be
>relatively quick and have a small footprint)
Absolutely ! That's what's great about it ! Just love it !
>14. Highlights URL and e-mail addresses and launches browser or email
>client in a separate window when clicked
nope. who needs it. that could be very annoying.
>15. Ability to change case for entire selected text
YEP YEP YEP YEP YEP
Upper Case, Lower Case, Invert Case, Capitalize Case oh yeah !!!,
Sentence Case.
Now if it could only detect words like this:
greetingsfromskybuck and turn it into
GreetingsFromSkybuck
That would be superb.
now it just does this:
Now It Just Does This If You Choose Capitalize.
>16. Auto indent based on user-defined templates for each programming
>language
Yep.
>17. Auto alignment (I.e. if I want a set of lines with the "=" sign
>or decimal point or comma aligned on multiple rows)
Huh ? Euhm ? It does align... not exactly know what you mean.
>18. Undo capability
Absolutely.
>Nice to haves:
>1. Syntax highlighting for Perl, C/C++, and SQL. Also, extensibility
>for other programming languages based on easily customized syntax
>files.
Yep... totaly !
>2. Ability to use FTP
are you nuts ?
>3. Spell checker
who needs it ? I believe it can be done with textpad
>4. Ability to compile from within the editor
Absolutely !!! are you kidding me ?
>5. Keystroke save/execute (i.e. macro capability)
Yep... I never use macro's.
You probably won't need them with textpad it's simple fast menus and
everything.
HEY !
You forgot something !!! :)
Textpad has the ability to save and open workspaces...
very very very cool !
I don't realy use it because I don't need it yet !
But if you have lot's of files that you need to work with
simultainesly than workspaces rule !
You ll just have to see what I mean and then you ll understand...
It's reeeeeeeeaaaaaaal easy ! :)
It's been a pleasure.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:59:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Chad Everett wrote:
>>
>> Well Windows is a conglomerate of Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 2nd
>> edition, Windows ME, Windows CE, Windows NT, Windows NT server, Windows
>> 2K Pro, Windows 2K Server and you let that all get lumped in a "Windows"?
>
> I'm trying hard to learn good colloquial english. Is
> "conglomerate" the polite word for "a bunch of shit?"
Well I don't know about your colloquial english but your english wit is
coming on fine. :-)
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Here
Date: 09 Apr 2001 16:59:36 -0600
wolfhound <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,people. I just installed Redhat 7.0 on my machine as dual boot.
> I got everything up just fine but I need alot of basics. ( See Linux.
> See Linux run. Run run Linux.) That type thing.
>
> Does anyone know of a source for Linux with training wheels?
Nothing beats a good book. Go to your favorite book store and browse
through a half dozen; buy one that you like.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:03:22 -0600
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joseph Ogiba wrote:
> >
> > This is the biggest bullshit story I ever heard. There is no demand from the
> > public for a PC with Linux instead of Windows.You Linux diehards have a bug
> > up your ass the size of Texas over the word MICROSOFT. If there was a demand
> > Larry Ellison would start a company selling PC's with your "FREE" OS.Your
> > just pissed because YOU paid $320.00 for one share of VA Linux and watched
> > it drop to $3.00 today. Linux is DEAD as a consumer OS and Windows XP is the
> > nail in the coffin.
>
> No different than you WinTroll diehards. When the great fanfare of the
> rollout of WindowsXp arrives into town like a cheap carnival will we
> know for sure if it really is all that it can be.
i'm no more loyal to microsoft than i am to any other business. i will
use thier products right up to the day a better option becomes available
for the same or lower cost in time, money and aggravation and not one
moment longer. (please note the use of the words 'time' and 'aggravation'
in the previous sentence)
what aggravates endusers is not the same as what aggravates system
administrators. the success of windows is conclusive proof that stability,
absolutely essential for servers, is a far lower priority for the people
who purchase most desktop machines. a system that can run for years with
no crashes is great in principle but if i have to spend years learning
how to use it is of no practical use to me and i am going to have to go
with what will work well enough today.
unlike microsofts appy-polly-loggists i will not deny what is obviously
true: windows is unstable. it crashes - badly - on me about three times
a week. to compensate for this i save early and often.
figure each crash costs me ten minutes of work - reboot time combined with
whatever unsaved work got trashed (though that isn't always an issue but
what the hell) - which adds up to around 30 minutes a week. that comes to
26 hours downtime annually.
at that rate i'd have to use windows longer than it has existed* to even
begin to equal the amount of time i'd lose just getting up to speed with
unix.
thus my decision to go with the less stable but easier to learn system
is entirely rational and has absolutely nothing to do with being dumb or
brainwashed by marketing mind control or any of the other excuses chronic
business failures ie linux advocates use to explain why they are being
trashed by thier reality accepting competitors.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
* as a viable system - 1.0 & 2.0 don't count
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Jeffrey Siegal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:03:54 -0700
Les Mikesell wrote:
> If you can
> understand why PC hardware is cheap you should be able to understand
> that anything that promotes interoperability and competition is good for
> everyone, and things like the GPL that prevent them are not.
I understand why PC hardware is cheap and I also understand that gross
overgeneralizations like this are almost always false.
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:04:06 GMT
On Mon 09 Apr 2001 02:09, Craig Kelley wrote:
> Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
[Snip]
>>
>> The problem, of course, is that efficient and stable are pretty much
>> mutually exclusive at this point in time. Windows chooses efficiency
>> (although XFree 4.0 has made great strides in this area), while X chooses
>> stability of the system.
>
> You haven't used DRI then?
>
I'm using XFree 4.0 with DRI, and don't get me wrong, it's quite speedy,
although slightly more sluggish than I remember 'doze 98 being (I can't
verify that, since I have since nuked my 'doze partition). But it also has
a habit of locking up slightly more frequently than XFree 3.3.6 used to,
and keeping the module for my Voodoo3 synched with my current kernel used
to suck until they started bundling it with the kernel.
I still believe that modern video hardware is complex and buggy enough that
it is impossible to write a Ring-0 driver that is simultaneously both
stable and efficient, and it's unfortunate that there's nothing Linux (or
any OS) could do to fix it. In my experience, more often than any other
component in a computer, video card hardware is the culprit in any sort of
mysterious failure.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Jeffrey Siegal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallmanwhat a
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:05:39 -0700
Austin Ziegler wrote:
> <<Actually, the BSDL doesn't say anything about relicensing
Yes it does.
> or interoperability with other licences.
It does to the extent that the requirements of those licenses conflict
with the requires of the BSDL.
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:07:59 GMT
On Mon 09 Apr 2001 02:13, Craig Kelley wrote:
> 667 Neighbor of the Beast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
[Snip]
>>
>> No it is not L. The GDI are the video drivers and there is really no
>> sense at all in putting them in the kernel, except to make the system
>> appear faster. OS/2 and Unix do not have the GDI in the kernel.
>> Also, you are confusing the GDI with the GUI, and they are 2 separate
>> things.
>
> Hmmm:
>
> *
> * Hardware configuration
> *
> Floppy tape controllers (Standard, MACH-2, FC-10/FC-20, Alt/82078)
> [Standard]
> defined CONFIG_FT_STD_FDC
> Default FIFO threshold (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_FT_FDC_THR) [8]
> Maximal data rate to use (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_FT_FDC_MAX_RATE) [2000]
> /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) (CONFIG_AGP) [M/n/y/?]
> Intel 440LX/BX/GX and I815/I840/I850 support (CONFIG_AGP_INTEL) [Y/n/?]
> Intel I810/I815 (on-board) support (CONFIG_AGP_I810) [Y/n/?]
> VIA chipset support (CONFIG_AGP_VIA) [Y/n/?]
> AMD Irongate support (CONFIG_AGP_AMD) [Y/n/?]
> Generic SiS support (CONFIG_AGP_SIS) [Y/n/?]
> ALI chipset support (CONFIG_AGP_ALI) [Y/n/?]
> Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 DRI support) (CONFIG_DRM) [Y/n/?]
> 3dfx Banshee/Voodoo3+ (CONFIG_DRM_TDFX) [M/n/y/?]
> 3dlabs GMX 2000 (CONFIG_DRM_GAMMA) [M/n/y/?]
> ATI Rage 128 (CONFIG_DRM_R128) [M/n/?]
> ATI Radeon (CONFIG_DRM_RADEON) [M/n/?]
> Intel I810 (CONFIG_DRM_I810) [M/n/?]
> Matrox g200/g400 (CONFIG_DRM_MGA) [M/n/?]
>
> # uname --release
> 2.4.2
>
DRI is basically a kernel shim for accelerated 3D video support, and not a
full-blown videocard driver. It doesn't even touch the realm of 2D video
support. Even so, DRI comes at the cost of some system stability.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:15:04 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:24:32 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >You're correct! I've watched new secretaries trying to learn point and
> > >click for the first time. Hand-eye-coordination training is needed.
> > >All newbies to windows have trouble in the beginning. And then real
> > >troubles later on when the crapware starts giving them fits.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > My good ol' Mom bought a Windows machine three years ago. She is the
> > newbie of all newbies. All Windows users end of being command
> > line users cause eventually they'll experience a crash or lockup
> > that requires an "untidy" Windows shutdown (unplug the machine
> > cause not even the "smart" power switch will work). Then,
> > when the machine is rebooting they get the commandline prompt
> > telling them about how Windows was shutdown is a "untidy" manner
> > and you have to tell it something about what you want the
> > system to do with these dangling file thing-a-ma-jigs it has found.
> > This is the point where I get the call cause my good ol' Mom has
> > no idea whatsoever about what she's being told and asked to make
> > a decision about. The inevitable question is: "Son, why did
> > the computer do this?" and the inevitable answer: Mom, it just
> > Windows".... and I get this call EVERY time this happens.
>
> thank you for proving my point
>
> > Real user-friendly GUI scenario for a newbie, eh?
>
> and that makes the case for linux... how exactly?
None of the aforementioned hair-pulling experiences
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Apr 2001 18:07:45 -0500
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:03:22 -0600, Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Joseph Ogiba wrote:
>> >
>> > This is the biggest bullshit story I ever heard. There is no demand from the
>> > public for a PC with Linux instead of Windows.You Linux diehards have a bug
>> > up your ass the size of Texas over the word MICROSOFT. If there was a demand
>> > Larry Ellison would start a company selling PC's with your "FREE" OS.Your
>> > just pissed because YOU paid $320.00 for one share of VA Linux and watched
>> > it drop to $3.00 today. Linux is DEAD as a consumer OS and Windows XP is the
>> > nail in the coffin.
>>
>> No different than you WinTroll diehards. When the great fanfare of the
>> rollout of WindowsXp arrives into town like a cheap carnival will we
>> know for sure if it really is all that it can be.
>
>i'm no more loyal to microsoft than i am to any other business. i will
>use thier products right up to the day a better option becomes available
>for the same or lower cost in time, money and aggravation and not one
>moment longer. (please note the use of the words 'time' and 'aggravation'
>in the previous sentence)
Well, that's obviously not true. If it were, you would have started using
Linux at least a year ago.
>what aggravates endusers is not the same as what aggravates system
>administrators. the success of windows is conclusive proof that stability,
>absolutely essential for servers, is a far lower priority for the people
>who purchase most desktop machines. a system that can run for years with
>no crashes is great in principle but if i have to spend years learning
>how to use it is of no practical use to me and i am going to have to go
>with what will work well enough today.
>unlike microsofts appy-polly-loggists i will not deny what is obviously
>true: windows is unstable. it crashes - badly - on me about three times
>a week. to compensate for this i save early and often.
>figure each crash costs me ten minutes of work - reboot time combined with
>whatever unsaved work got trashed (though that isn't always an issue but
>what the hell) - which adds up to around 30 minutes a week. that comes to
>26 hours downtime annually.
>at that rate i'd have to use windows longer than it has existed* to even
>begin to equal the amount of time i'd lose just getting up to speed with
>unix.
>thus my decision to go with the less stable but easier to learn system
>is entirely rational and has absolutely nothing to do with being dumb or
>brainwashed by marketing mind control or any of the other excuses chronic
>business failures ie linux advocates use to explain why they are being
>trashed by thier reality accepting competitors.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
>* as a viable system - 1.0 & 2.0 don't count
>
You have several flaws in your argument. You assume a zero learning time
for Windows, which of course is not true. How much time over the years
have you spent learning how to use, configure, and keep your Windows
machine healty. Are you telling us you've NEVER read a Windows book,
help page, etc. etc.? You also understimate your Windows time because you
have completely ignored reinstalls and restores. I submit if you had spent
the same about of time learning Linux as you have spent using Windows,
you'd be ahead today. I don't know how you can estimate that learning
Linux would take longer than your Windows learn+reboot+restore times
since it's implied in your post that you have never spent any time trying
to learn linux.
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From: Mott The Hoople <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:29:39 -0400
Bob Hauck wrote:
> On 8 Apr 2001 21:29:24 -0700, kirk@do_not_spam
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
> > gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
> > and on I went to work.
>
> [snip long series of problems]
>
> Of course, none of this really happend.
*GASP* A troll? Here? Really?
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