Linux-Advocacy Digest #524, Volume #33 Wed, 11 Apr 01 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Baseball (Anonymous)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Hansang Bae)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Ben L. Titzer")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Thore B. Karlsen)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Thore B. Karlsen)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Eric Smith)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Russianbear")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Paul Shirley)
Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: New directions for kernel development ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:01:41 -0600
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
aaron wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
> >
> > aaron wrote:
> > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > >
> > > > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:44:45
> > > > > >aaron wrote:
> > > > > >> Anonymous wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > Maybe Microsoft will go the full monty and deliver a stable OS for
>once?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > why don't you do something to make unix as easy to use as windows while
> > > > > >> > retaining the former's stability and put microsoft out of business?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It's been so for well over a DECADE, jackie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >so you're saying that in 1991 there was a unix system as easy to use as
> > > > > >windows is today?
> > > > >
> > > > > To someone who knows how to use it, Unix is easy to use. To someone who
> > > > > does not know how to use it, Windows is hard to use.
> > > >
> > > > which one is easier to learn to use?
> > >
> > > Gnome
> > > KDE
> > > Common Desktop Environment
> > > SunWindows (obsolete, but STILL easier to use than Mafia$oft windows).
> >
> > the fact you list more than one is itself part of the problem
> > if you catch my meaning.
>
> That's something a totalitarian police-state lover would write.
microsoft is not a government you silly boy.
your effort to muddy the waters in this way is indistinguishable from
the methods that have been used by socialists - with great success - to
destroy the free market economy.
but then you're already on record supporting antitrust law so this is
not a big surprise.
but tell me, why shouldn't microsoft be able, based on the leverage
given to them by consumer demand and by thier voluntary contracts with
other enterprises, to cut whatever deals are in thier best interest?
imagine that all the worst scenarios spun by the critics are true -
so what?
it's not like anyone is forcing you to give microsoft your money.
this in marked contrast to the socialists who are out to ruin them.
the real totalitarians in all of this are those who wish to see microsoft
partitioned by federal edict and governed by consent decree.
it's one thing for fabian socialists like mike, daniel, chaney and the
rest of the envious sniggling horde to side with leviathan. that's par for
the course.
but for a libertarian to align himself with janet reno and her minions on
this is no better than to for him to cheer the fbi at ruby ridge.
think it over.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Hansang Bae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:03:19 GMT
Enjoying this thread.... but did the original guy get his recommendations
yet???
<G>
:q! NAH!!! :ZZ
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From: "Ben L. Titzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:07:54 -0500
> Even compiled Java suffers many drawbacks over C++. For instance, Java's
> garbage collection makes any application that frequently allocates and
> deletes objects much less efficient than C++ which allows much better
> handling of memory.
>
Yes, the garbage collection is a drawback, granted. But there are several
research efforts that have focused on making Java more efficient to
interpret and JIT to machine code. Some JITs that use runtime profiling
(think IBM) can actually be markedly faster than statically compiled C or
C++.
> Actually, Borland's IDE is quite buggy and error prone. It lacks key
> useability features. For instance, there is no way to easily manage all the
> windows opened up by BCB, and there isn't any way to split code windows to
> see two parts of the code at the same time. The only way to do it is to
> open two seperate edit windows.
>
I thought the IDE was convenient as far as the integration of the
compiler/linker/debugger and editor, but the Editor itself could be a
pain, for exactly the reasons you describe. No way to manage multiple edit
windows easily and damn it my mousewheel doesn't work! Another huge pain
in the ass was mounting a folder from a SAMBA machine (my Linux
fileserver). When saving a document, Borland would always check the
timestamp on the file (on a different machine) and finding them different,
would complain, often asking to reload the document. Every damn time you
save something it would soon complain. Little things like that are so
minor, yet so annoying. I use a 3rd party text editor in Windows now
(shareware UltraEdit) and I like it a lot. Of course it doesn't have
integration with a compiler or a debugger, but it is very customizable
(especially the syntax hilighting, which is easy to create new rules for
new languages). My mouse wheel works and it doesn't complain saving stuff
to my mounted directories. But it's $30 to register...I'm poor in college.
-Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thore B. Karlsen)
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:23:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:21:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thore B. Karlsen)
wrote:
>>> It's not an ideological issue. People like vi because
>>> it's a great editor. Who the hell wants to edit text
>>> with a GUI editor? It's plain nuts. Think about it.
>>> It's like using a GUI to drive your car.
>>vi is like Reverse Polish Notation. It has a steeper learning curve but
>>once you learn it, there's no going back.
>That's an interesting thought. I also use RPN and vi, and I love both. I can
>see how they might go hand in hand.
>
>What I like about RPN and vi is that you string together many small
>operations to do one big operation, instead of having one big operation that
>does everything.
Another thing -- that's also the reason I love assembly language.
I sense a pattern. :)
--
"By the time we've finished with him, he won't know whether
he's Number Six or the cube root of infinity!"
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:17:44 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:JA5B6.3082$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > What systems came with this? It's funny, but I can't get it on 98 (no
> help
> > > command... I might check the oldmsdos directory...)
> >
> > I just made it up a typical statement that illustrates the utter
> > uselessness of Mafia$oft's Windows help.
> >
> > The fact that you thought it was genuine proves my point about
> > the utter lack of information in Windows Help.
>
> Unfortunately, it just shows that I'm willing to believe it's possible.
The
> fact that I couldn't find it prompted me to ask... shit like this gets
> mentioned a lot, but I don't believe it until I've verified it myself.
>
I think it really show the lack of knowledge on Aaron's part more that
anything.
BTW Win98 does have help on Defrag but only in the help file for Windows in
general (Start button/Help) and Win2K has a help file for defrag.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:14:13 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "." wrote:
> >
> > > Clue for the clueless:
> > >
> > > Help defrag
> > >
> > > "Defrag defrags your hard drive. Run defrag to defragment your hard
> > drive"
> >
> > What systems came with this? It's funny, but I can't get it on 98 (no help
> > command... I might check the oldmsdos directory...)
>
> I just made it up a typical statement that illustrates the utter
> uselessness of Mafia$oft's Windows help.
>
> The fact that you thought it was genuine proves my point about
> the utter lack of information in Windows Help.
Actually, Aaron, I believe there was a message just like it in
Windows 98.
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thore B. Karlsen)
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:21:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:59:39 GMT, Hansang Bae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> It's not an ideological issue. People like vi because
>> it's a great editor. Who the hell wants to edit text
>> with a GUI editor? It's plain nuts. Think about it.
>> It's like using a GUI to drive your car.
>vi is like Reverse Polish Notation. It has a steeper learning curve but
>once you learn it, there's no going back.
That's an interesting thought. I also use RPN and vi, and I love both. I can
see how they might go hand in hand.
What I like about RPN and vi is that you string together many small
operations to do one big operation, instead of having one big operation that
does everything.
--
"By the time we've finished with him, he won't know whether
he's Number Six or the cube root of infinity!"
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:19:37 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "." wrote:
> >
> > > Clue for the clueless:
> > >
> > > Help defrag
> > >
> > > "Defrag defrags your hard drive. Run defrag to defragment your hard
> > drive"
> >
> > What systems came with this? It's funny, but I can't get it on 98 (no
help
> > command... I might check the oldmsdos directory...)
>
>
> I just made it up a typical statement that illustrates the utter
> uselessness of Mafia$oft's Windows help.
>
>
> The fact that you thought it was genuine proves my point about
> the utter lack of information in Windows Help.
>
Unless someone checks, alot of people will believe it true. Win98 and
Win2K both had information in the help files on defrag, true is was very
short but it does describe what the program function, it didn't go into how
it does it.
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From: Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 11 Apr 2001 17:14:58 -0700
Chad Everett wrote:
> Bill Gates and Paul Allen did it all.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Considering that they're both a lying sacks of shit, caught red-handed
> committing perjury in Federal Court....let's just say that i don't
> trust a word they say.
When do you claim that Paul Allen committed perjury?
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From: "Russianbear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:22:28 +0100
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >
> >> >> >Read Exodus and Numbers. God instructed the Israelites to wage war
> >and
> >> >kill
> >> >> >entire populations. The quibble is using one verse from scripture
to
> >> >state
> >> >> >all killing is wrong, when in fact, use of that one verse of
scripture
> >to
> >> >> >support such a position is wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's my point. God's instructions did not contradict this verse,
> >> >> though shalt not murder (kill), because God gets to decide who is
> >human,
> >> >> and anybody the Isrealites want to kill were simply excluded from
the
> >> >> definition.
> >> >
> >> >LOL!!! Incredulous. You truly are clueless.
> >>
> >> How about this: "thou shall not kill" is a commandment from god unto
> >> humans. Those commandments are intended to affect the behaviour of free
> >> willing humans[1].However, god is not bound by that commandment,
> >> and humans lacking free will are not bound by that commandment.
> >
> >The truer translation is "You shall not murder". We've been through
this.
>
> If "murder" means "unlawful kill", then since the laws of aramaic tribes
> in 2000BC are not at all like today's, the distinction is meaningless.
>
> >> God has been known to regret his acts in the past[2], so god could
> >> possibly be repealing, either for a period of time or permanently,
> >> his previous order (the commandments). However, if we accept
> >> that gos is ordering him to kill, he can not possibly be giving him
> >> a false order, because god doesn't lie.
> >
> >To kill, yes. To murder, no.
> >
> >>
> >> Thus, if a human kills under specific command from God, he is excepted
> >> from the commandment, because he is excepted from it specifically by
> >> god, the only one who can[3].
> >>
> >>
> >> Like it?
> >
> >LOL!!!
> >
> >> [1] If a human is not free willing, there is no need for god to give
> >> him commandments, is there?
> >>
> >> [2] See covenant.
> >>
> >> [3] No lower authority can declare a commandment void, agreed?
> >
> >But the "lower authority" sure can misunderstand a commandment. You are
> >proof of that. Thanks for the laugh.
>
> The meaning of "murder" is locale-dependent. I seriously doubt God
> would use such poor wording.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
Bah - If there is a God he is no better than a common dictator and there is
NO reason at all to worship him. Anyone who says live by my rules or be
punished with death or eternal damnation is an asshole.
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From: Paul Shirley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Paul Shirley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:19:13 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Syntax highlighting is useful for NOVICE programmers.
>
>Most experienced programmers have used one-color text
>for program code for years...
...although the ones that earn a living at it mostly side with the
novices.
--
Paul Shirley
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:30:32 +0200
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:016B6.2009$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Yer right - look at that. Proof from a linvocate - sorry, that caught
me
> off
> > > guard.
> > >
> > > big deal - you don't really consider those commands significant to the
> rest
> > > of W2K do you?
> >
> > FTP isn't significant?
>
> Few people use the command line program. Either they use IE, which uses
> WinInet (not the FTP command) or they use a program like WS_FTP or
CuteFTP.
> None of which use the FTP command.
>
> > Clue for the clueless--that's the protocol used for pushing all
> > the files every time you browse a web page.
>
> Looks like you're the clueless one. Web pages use HTTP for file transfers
> (you know, downloading images, or Java code, or whatever). Not FTP, and
> even when a page links to an FTP site, Neither IE or Netscape make use of
> the FTP command.
I can't recalled with NS, but I'm sure part of this is the long time that it
takes IE to start FTPing.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:33:21 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Everett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 10 Apr 2001 23:06:35 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:38:35 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:37:58 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> >>> >news:9arpf3$l7p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Goldhammer wrote in message ...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >AFAIK, ext2 supports files up to 16Eb. The reason
> >>> >> >why files >2 Gb on 32-bit machines require the
> >>> >> >'bigfile' patch has to do with the size of int
> >>> >> >on a 32-bit machine. But linux on an Alpha doesn't
> >>> >> >have any 2 Gb "limit". Therefore, the 2 Gb "limit"
> >>> >> >cannot be considered limitation of Linux. It simply
> >>> >> >isn't, unless one argues that Linux on an Alpha isn't
> >>> >> >really Linux.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >
> >>> >It _IS_ a limitation in Linux, because few other OSes have
> >>> >this problem on 32-bit architectures.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> It is _NOT_ a limitation in Linux. The linux 2.4.x kernel handles
files
> >>
> >>Because it _WAS_ a limitation, they merely fixed it, FINALLY. NT could
> >>support >2GB files years ago.
> >>
> >
> >First you say it _IS_ and when called on it, now you say it _WAS_
> >
> >NT used to have a 2GB file limit: doesn't anymore
> >
> >Linux used to have a 2GB file limit: doesn't anymore.
>
> I'm not sure if NT ever had a 2GB file limit; Borland C++ version 4.51
> (which is the one I happen to have) has SetFilePointer,
> which has the API:
>
> WINBASEPAI DWORD WINAPI SetFilePointer(
> HANDLE hFile,
> LONG lDistanceToMove
> PLONG lpDistanceToMoveHigh,
> DWORD dwMoveMethod
> );
>
> A bit bodgy in light of the 'long*' (PLONG) pointer (typical Windows
> extensionism, IMO), but a perfectly workable 64-bit seek. The file is
> 'winbase.h' in bc45\include and is dated April 21, 1995, although it
> might be older than that because I like to copy files around. :-)
>
> I forget when NT 3.51 or NT 4 came out, and there is the possibility
> that parts of this API call were unsupported (e.g., the pointer
> might have been ignored totally).
>
> I'm not at home or I'd fire up my Borland install disc to be sure
> of the date.
According to MSDN, this function was supprted in NT 3.1 which is out for
quite a long time, I believe.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:41:02 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> And I see you failed to do as I challenged. You are a liar.
JJ, I hardly think that Aaron should feel compelled to go
through an edit-make-post-edit-make cycle just to prove
to a prick-headed little troll such as yourself that he
can obtain and modify source code on Linux.
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New directions for kernel development
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:47:13 GMT
Random troll posing as Linus Torvalds <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Recently, I've been thinking a lot about where Linux development
> should head now that 2.4 is out. Specifically, I've been thinking
> about how we ought to make some cultural changes as well as
> technical changes. Now I'm not *entirely* sure what directions we
> should head in as we move towards 3.0, but I'd like to point out a
> few areas that need to be addressed as well as propose some possible
> solutions. Nothing is set in stone yet, but these are definitely
> issues we need to work on.
.. So far, so plausible...
> First off, I don't like a lot of the elitism that does on among
> Linux hackers. Just because you can tell what the following script
> does without executing it, doesn't mean that you're some kind of
> god.
> #! /usr/bin/perl
> @k = unpack "a"x5,'x_,d@';@o = unpack "a"x19,'Q8>tUxLm\@`Y%N@cIq]';
> while ($i<19){print chr((ord($o[$i])-ord($k[$i++%5])+91)%91+32);}
.. And this lays down a "hook" for those that don't feel all that "elite" ...
> Learning to hack Un*x is an impressive accomplishment, but it's
> closer kin to solving a Rubik’s cube than scaling Everest. If you
> think using Un*x makes you some kind of super genius who should be
> feared by mere mortals and end users, either get over it
.. Still fairly reasonable ...
> or start using *BSD. *BSD users (and developers) are all complete
> jackasses, so you'll fit right in.
.. Now you're hooked, and may not notice that things are heading off
in a wild direction...
> Secondly, I'd like to address the issue of cleanliness. Quite
> frankly, the standards of personal hygiene practiced by many members
> of this community are simply unacceptable. As you all know, I am a
> fairly clean cut, well-kempt person (I know, I have a bit of a gut,
> but compared to Maddog, Nick Petreley or ESR, I'm a modern Adonis.),
> and in the Linux community that is something of an anomaly.
> Virtually all users of Linux (and all other forms of Un*x) are
> unkempt, longhaired, beast-bearded dirty GNU hippies, and I am sick
> and tired of having to deal with them.
Hee, hee...
> The person I have the greatest problem with is that (in)famous
> communist RMS. Now, RMS may have been responsible for GNU, the GPL,
> GCC and many other contributions to the computing community, but his
> stance, as well as stench, displayed in his essays and actions,
> nauseates me. I mean, with that filth-ridden beard of his, where
> does he have room to demand that people refer to Linux as GNU /
> Linux? When he is as clean-shaven as I, he may claim that right, but
> until then, he should go back to playing his little flute and
> dropping acid like there’s no tomorrow. Honestly, if he doesn’t shut
> his mouth and go back to reading Marx, I’m going to shut it for
> him. I am sorry to sound so harsh, but a little hygiene every once
> in a while is a Good Thing(TM). Makes me wish I'd gone with a closed
> source license back in the day.
Of course, the "Microsoft-style-single-quotes" should be a dead
giveaway that something is amiss. Others might want to observe
something about the fact that Finland was actually adjacent to a Major
Communist Power, or inject other bits of reality...
The remainder is just silly...
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http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/resume.html
"There are three kinds of program statements: sequence, repetition,
and seduction."
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